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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Antivehicular posted:

See, I'll admit that I like the idea of wealthy, "aristocratic" vampires who are actually really bad with their money, because they don't bother with wealth-management strategies besides "sit on it for centuries," and who spend extravagantly and nonsensically when they have to look good for mortals... but nobody in MotU is a vampire, right?

Edit: re: clotheschat -- I'm trying to figure out the shapeless nylon housedress that exposes the wearer's underwear, personally. I guess James is imagining loungewear here, but the maid is at work! Her clothes are going to be functional and opaque!

It goes down to her knees I think. It’s followed up by this:




And later:

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Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

I remember following one of the various Fifty Shades podcasts (I think it was two women and one guy, might have been goons?) where they liked to call out the weird Britishisms that slipped into what was ostensibly a work about two Americans in the PNW. It's nice to know based on the excerpts here that James is as bad at writing British people as she is at writing American people.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


chitoryu12 posted:


The Mister also has more of EL James namedropping expensive and fashionable stuff to show off how classy and rich Maxim Trevelyan (13th Lord Trevethick) is, but she doesn't know a whole lot about actual fancy things and consuming them so you get stuff like "1992 vintage Glenrothes" and a "double Negroni."

A "double negroni" lol what the hell.

Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

chitoryu12 posted:

Speaking of Twilight, my thread just got to the point where everyone just suddenly transforms into a psychopath.

Suddenly?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

A "double negroni" lol what the hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko866L13Mn4

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

I was gonna wait but gently caress it I’ll do a thread once I finish it.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies

AlbieQuirky posted:

Ladies’ underpants come in a lot of different styles. Briefs come up to the waist, hipsters at the top of the hip, bikinis at the low hip, and so on.

Okay okay, yeah. I just am a goonette, so I’ve never really considered fashion at all, certainly not in undies. I can tell you all about geeky t-shirts though.

PJOmega
May 5, 2009
I'm still confused about the underwear that is seen through nylons and a shapeless knee length housecoat.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014



Is this a loving joke?

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

PJOmega posted:

I'm still confused about the underwear that is seen through nylons and a shapeless knee length housecoat.

I really think it's that James is imagining a bathrobe-like loungewear piece that would be made of thin fabric and potentially be revealing (I think she's going for "sheer thin nylon that can be seen through when stretched taut"), but... this woman is at work, is supposed to be modest, and hasn't been hired as a Sex Housekeeper, afaik. There's no reason she wouldn't be wearing regular clothes. I guess seeing her underwear lines through her work pants wouldn't be ~sensual~ enough?

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014



Every page. Every goddamn page.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Straight White Shark posted:

not a ton of it, apparently I missed out on sexy porn tropes like "oh myyy, your dick is so flexible" and "wow, look at all the condoms you go through"

I mean more in that porn does not resemble real-life sex even when the people making presumably have experienced it.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

chitoryu12 posted:



Every page. Every goddamn page.

I chose to read this as Caro becoming a romance novel character after getting out of Syrian hell prison.

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS

Ugly In The Morning posted:

I chose to read this as Caro becoming a romance novel character after getting out of Syrian hell prison.

I did the same thing.

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

Ugly In The Morning posted:

I chose to read this as Caro becoming a romance novel character after getting out of Syrian hell prison.

Caroline is a different character than the sex trafficked maid love interest.

I hate I even know that much

fauna
Dec 6, 2018


Caught between two worlds...

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Skulls can have a little sex.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
mods rename me Sex-Crazed Cat Ghost tia

Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle
I'll admit to being curious as to how a ghost got so horny it saved a city

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.

Ichabod Sexbeast posted:

I'll admit to being curious as to how a ghost got so horny it saved a city

"The entire city's revenue comes from the whorehouse, and if we don't reach our goal by midnight we're going to lose everything!"

The amorphous spirit of Jizzworth von Moneysack appears, a hovering torso clad in a fine waistcoat and an enormous top hat, and hanging from between where his legs should be is an enormous phallus.

"I HAVE COME... TO PARTAKE OF THE BOOBS!" he wails, rattling his chains and lockboxes filled with the gold he collected over his long life. "TELL THE GIRLS IT'S TIME FOR THIS NECRO TO FEEL YA!"

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
An invisible man
Sleepin' in your bed
Who ya gonna call?
NUTBUSTERS!

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WE

Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle

Screaming Idiot posted:

"The entire city's revenue comes from the whorehouse, and if we don't reach our goal by midnight we're going to lose everything!"

The amorphous spirit of Jizzworth von Moneysack appears, a hovering torso clad in a fine waistcoat and an enormous top hat, and hanging from between where his legs should be is an enormous phallus.

"I HAVE COME... TO PARTAKE OF THE BOOBS!" he wails, rattling his chains and lockboxes filled with the gold he collected over his long life. "TELL THE GIRLS IT'S TIME FOR THIS NECRO TO FEEL YA!"

Welp, guess I'm buying the book!

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014



Every time this book starts to show something deeper and more emotional below the surface, it slaps you in the face with lines like this.

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

her smile hit me right in the boner

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



her grimacing makes my taint feel weird

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

"No, I'm not in love with her; there's just some weird empathic bond between her emotional state and the nerves in my groin, so I can't get an erection unless she's delighted. The hedonic treadmill of our relationship is very complicated."

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Ah, she’s now masturbating while repeating the word “synesthesia” to herself. Charming.

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

chitoryu12 posted:

Ah, she’s now masturbating while repeating the word “synesthesia” to herself. Charming.

don't doxx me

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

The book repeatedly switches between third person for the girl and first person for the guy. It leads to transitions like this:

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

It's like poetry, it rhymes.

Also third person for the woman and first person for the man is so ridiculously on the nose re: sexism that I'd like to believe it's on purpose, even though it probably isn't. Is that a romance novel/fanfiction trope at all, or is that a James original?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

As she SHIDS and FARDS, I feel myself CAMEING my PANTS.
Life is good!

- James Joyce

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Djeser posted:

It's like poetry, it rhymes.

Also third person for the woman and first person for the man is so ridiculously on the nose re: sexism that I'd like to believe it's on purpose, even though it probably isn't. Is that a romance novel/fanfiction trope at all, or is that a James original?

Nah it's just a lazy way to distinguish between two different perspectives in a novel without having rely on context clues or drop the personal diary style all together. You'll find it in a lot of bad writing.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

It gets very jarring. I just went through a chapter that changed POV 3 times in about 10 minutes of action, with as little as one or two paragraphs between switching.

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

there wolf posted:

Nah it's just a lazy way to distinguish between two different perspectives in a novel without having rely on context clues or drop the personal diary style all together. You'll find it in a lot of bad writing.

Come to think of it, I just finished reading a bland Assassin's Creed tie-in novel that did the same thing. One character was in first person, and all the other characters were in third person. Even then it was done better; the character the audience was meant to identify with was in first person, point-of-view transitions only happened at chapter breaks, and the third person chapters were mostly from the perspective of a character meant to be intimidating and emotionless, so it made sense to put distance between them and the reader.

But in this book, surely I'm not supposed to identify with the rich, lazy sexdude, right? That feels like basic romance novel stuff. I want to be swept off my feet and introduced into a new, exciting culture, I don't want to be a sleazy aristocrat hitting on my maid.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
Isn't James rewriting the various Fifty Shades books from Christian Grey's perspective, just like Stephanie Meyer tried and failed to do with Twilight?

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

He’s written as an oversexed teenager in a lord’s body. He keeps chastising himself for it but that doesn’t make it any better for him to loudly squirm and hide his erection at every sight or thought of Alessia, no matter how benign she is at the time.

there wolf posted:

Isn't James rewriting the various Fifty Shades books from Christian Grey's perspective, just like Stephanie Meyer tried and failed to do with Twilight?

I think she just did the one. Jenny Trout found it too disturbing to finish.

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

Meyer never finished the Twilight-as-told-by-Edward novel after the first part of it got leaked on the internet, though she did go on to write a gender-flipped version titled Life and Death.

James has written two 50 Shades-as-told-by-Christian, though only time will tell if she'll finish out the trilogy.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Robert Pattinson read the Edward book and based his performance on it which is why he hates the character so much

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Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.
Getting run over by a car because of it might've helped.

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