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CodfishCartographer posted:lmao you're right, I would think by now either she'd learn not to suggest such reckless plans, or people would stop just going along with her. Maybe that's why only Kat and the robots came along - Kat's her best friend, and the robots don't know any better!  But letting some yahoos they barely know come along who would basically do anything for Kat because Oh We Would Love To Help The Angel Of Course, who are extremely naive and clearly have no sense of personal danger because they just got their bodies a month ago, when Loup was last seen being extremely dangerous and lashing out, and the forest gods have always seen robots as toys they can break in half (reminder the robots feel pain now), all of that's fine!!! That's totally fine!!! Like if it's about the earth movers, it clearly doesn't require robots to use them? Though if he'd set it up so they only worked when the robots use them, that would at least be a compelling reason. Kat showed them off by using them herself - Annie could've been the one using the movers. There is no reason for them to be there. Seriously this entire thing is so bizarre and makes no loving sense. Why would they go in with this incredibly reckless plan against a capricious and dangerous all-powerful god who was last seen being completely out of his mind, they have literally no idea what he's willing to do or capable of aaaa 
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Remember when Kat was so obsessed over the fact that Annie would die if she didn't invent a time machine that she broke her word to the ancient robots and revived them all so she could force them to work on her project in violation of their wishes? I thought that was supposed to be like, a sign of dangerous obsession and a lack of responsibility but I think it might have just been something that happened.
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May 25, 2022 00:01
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PubicMice posted:One last, absolutely desperate cope: maybe Loup, being a dumb bullshit god who shouldn't exist, has some kind of power or effect that makes things and people and situations around him dumber. this line of wishful thinking isn't uncommon in stories with really lousy villains. if a plot needs a badguy and the badguy is weakly written then the entire story suffers just from tolerating their presence
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May 25, 2022 02:19
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Oxxidation posted:this line of wishful thinking isn't uncommon in stories with really lousy villains. if a plot needs a badguy and the badguy is weakly written then the entire story suffers just from tolerating their presence series-in-av/post combo 
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May 25, 2022 09:14
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I feel it’s very homestuck act 6 right now: have what looks to be the beginnings of a big climatic showdown with real stakes and suddenly swerve into a no-stakes teen relationship drama with newly introduced characters we’ve had no chance to get attached to properly. I could kind of see the shape of where it could work - introduce it earlier with a focus on the robots and keep it there with the already established cult tension. But as of now it’s just “Where’s every other member of the cast that should be involved? What happened to everyone’s character development?” There’s not even a mystery about Loup because we’ve literally read his entire inner monologue this whole time. Compared to Jeanne who was mysterious, threatening and slowly had her story unraveled through dedicated effort by Annie and Kat on-screen with a climatic showdown with real relationship consequences this is just a nothingburger.
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May 25, 2022 09:26
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yeah i was wondering how the omega device was supposed to sidestep the whole "the universe is non-deterministic" thing also homestuck didnt become truly intolerable until it descended into the third nested layer of act 6
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May 25, 2022 10:01
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I do honestly like the notion of quantum sciences being a confused attempt at scientifically understanding something impossible to quantify that is easier to just accept as "magic ether"
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May 25, 2022 16:05
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We already had this conversation! gently caress!!! We know what Omega does, we know how ether works! I beg you, move on!
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May 25, 2022 16:24
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worm girl posted:We already had this conversation! gently caress!!! We know what Omega does, we know how ether works! I beg you, move on! I think he's just stalling because he's not sure what to do next.
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May 25, 2022 17:03
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kat said the omega device doesn't exist, that means she's 100% the omega device herself. that's just literalcy facts.
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May 25, 2022 17:55
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There Bias Two posted:I think he's just stalling because he's not sure what to do next.
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May 25, 2022 17:56
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How I feel about the comic these days:
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CYBEReris posted:kat said the omega device doesn't exist, that means she's 100% the omega device herself. that's just literalcy facts.
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worm girl posted:We already had this conversation! gently caress!!! We know what Omega does, we know how ether works! I beg you, move on! I remember at the time, the most hopeful read was that Annie was bluffing and this wasn't what the Omega Device is, or she didn't learn it from her dad. I believe we can call those theories 'unfortunately but not surprisingly false.' Annie was being completely truthful with Jerrek and there was no trick.
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May 25, 2022 22:08
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CYBEReris posted:kat said the omega device doesn't exist, that means she's 100% the omega device herself. that's just literalcy facts. She has already used Norse god time travel powers to predict and control history so IDK what she's being so dense about here. "durr its impossible" girl you sent toucan sam 8 years into the past and made 50 clones of him so that your fire elemental psychopomp bff wouldnt die from being knocked off a bridge by a tree golem. Them being dumb would be a lot more tolerable if they'd stop having the same conversation over and over again. The comic has been loving groundhog day for months.
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May 25, 2022 22:49
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I'm going to confidently reassert my theory that Tom has literally lost his plot and is clumsily flailing around trying to write it on the fly.
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Joe Slowboat posted:or she didn't learn it from her dad. lmao that's right, the most substantial and meaningful conversation between Annie and her dad, whose relationship has been a central plotline of the entire comic, about a huge mystery which has ALSO been built up the entire comic, happened off-screen
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May 25, 2022 23:30
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worm girl posted:She has already used Norse god time travel powers to predict and control history so IDK what she's being so dense about here. to be clear: anime norse gods
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May 25, 2022 23:36
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I forget, was it established that Kat can't easily go revisit the anime norse gods? If not, casually being able to impact the past seems liek a pretty big plot thread / chekhov's gun to just leave hanging around if they need to go back in time to fix any big problems
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worm girl posted:She has already used Norse god time travel powers to predict and control history so IDK what she's being so dense about here. "durr its impossible" girl you sent toucan sam 8 years into the past and made 50 clones of him so that your fire elemental psychopomp bff wouldnt die from being knocked off a bridge by a tree golem. Yeah but you see Kat is science therefore she has no time for magic on account of being Cool and Rational Please disregard all the times she has had time for magic
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Not to get too mock thread nitpicky about it, but I also feel like the art has been having an increasing amount of weird mistakes or characters drawn increasingly cartoony/off model, perhaps so they can be drawn quicker/easier. Like this very 👀 looking Kat (which also has Annie's eyes looking a little bit in different directions). Here's my quick 10-minute attempt to fix the perspective on that a bit.  And this shot from a little while ago that stuck out to me, which, I'm not going to try to fix right now, but you can probably see it's a little messed up:  On their own I wouldn't give a poo poo, it's not like Gunnerkrigg has never had art that is rough around the edges - the consistency, storytelling, and characters more than made up for any weird bits here and there and errors are gonna happen when you're pumping out detailed pages on a thrice-weekly schedule. But when mistakes like this get to the inking and coloring phase, it feels a little bit like the artist is either rushing through it or no longer has the desire to spend as much time on it, and considering that's what's being discussed in the thread, I thought I'd bring it up. I think someone mentioned he's having a kid recently, so I sympathize and I understand he maybe doesn't have as much time for the comic, but it does feel like it's suffering for it.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I forget, was it established that Kat can't easily go revisit the anime norse gods? If not, casually being able to impact the past seems liek a pretty big plot thread / chekhov's gun to just leave hanging around if they need to go back in time to fix any big problems The norns said that she would be back to visit them many, many times, but they weren't clear about whether that meant in Kat's future or via alternate timeline shenanigans. PubicMice posted:I'm going to confidently reassert my theory that Tom has literally lost his plot and is clumsily flailing around trying to write it on the fly. If he really balked at the readers' reaction to Tony and went off script trying to change the story to avoid getting screamed at more then this all makes so much sense. He's a very meticulous and skilled writer and it was clear up until recently that things had been very thoroughly planned out in advance and the ideas in his head given time to mature. Usually writers like Tom who plan carefully don't flub endings. It's guys like George R R Martin who come up with a ton of cool ideas as they go and then can't tie it all together. Usually. Tiny Myers posted:Not to get too mock thread nitpicky about it, but I can't tell the difference between your edit and the actual one. I think he has just gotten better at drawing faster and more loosely and certain panels suffer from a less painstaking approach, but the comic looks much better overall I think. The shading in the last chapter seems like maybe a failed experiment but it's looking better than ever in this chapter.
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Yeah, Tom's art is getting a little more loose and cartoony but it's not looking any worse for it.
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Art seems fine to me imo.worm girl posted:The norns said that she would be back to visit them many, many times, but they weren't clear about whether that meant in Kat's future or via alternate timeline shenanigans. This is the first time I'm really thinking about this, but like...I wouldn't mind some kind of establishing as to WHY Kat hasn't tried revisiting the norns. Like, oh, Loup just buried a huge chunk of the court in earth, probably killing a bunch of people but even if not him burying all those robots is something we don't like. Might be a good idea to head to the norns and ask if we can drop a message in a bottle back to a few days before Annie and the gang confronts Loup to warn them it'll go bad. Even if it'll only help an alternate timeline, it still seems like something they'd at least try to do, if even only to help some alternate versions of themselves.
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worm girl posted:She has already used Norse god time travel powers to predict and control history so IDK what she's being so dense about here. "durr its impossible" girl you sent toucan sam 8 years into the past and made 50 clones of him so that your fire elemental psychopomp bff wouldnt die from being knocked off a bridge by a tree golem. i mean, the universe being non-deterministic is basically central to our scientific understanding of reality as a whole.
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A big flaming stink posted:i mean, the universe being non-deterministic is basically central to our scientific understanding of reality as a whole. I agree with you, but my best friend isn't an immortal fire witch, I've never time traveled, there are no active and visible gods in my immediate vicinity, and my dad isn't part of a gigantic conspiracy that has spent at least 25 years accurately predicting the future. I might assume the world is bigger than my understanding of it if I'd been the deuteragonist in a story where that was one of the main themes for 17 years.
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Synthbuttrange posted:bring back football head
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worm girl posted:If he really balked at the readers' reaction to Tony and went off script trying to change the story to avoid getting screamed at more then this all makes so much sense. He's a very meticulous and skilled writer and it was clear up until recently that things had been very thoroughly planned out in advance and the ideas in his head given time to mature. if he pinned the entire story’s structure on its worst character then it was already doomed. Tony was unbearable well before the apologia chapter
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Oxxidation posted:if he pinned the entire story’s structure on its worst character then it was already doomed. Tony was unbearable well before the apologia chapter e: And like, moving from absolute monster to potentially sympathetic character by showing different sides of him and how all this was him being a grieving dumbass with major brain problems rather than an active rear end in a top hat is yes a step in this, but you can't just keep repeating that step over and over until you get sick of people "not getting it" Splicer fucked around with this message at 15:30 on May 26, 2022 |
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oh no oh my god we're still on the 'omega doesn't exist' phase, she doesn't know a loving thing, she absolutely doesn't know that jerrek is loup, that whole explanation was real i'm out. thanks for posting.
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Lol, I wonder how this'll go https://twitter.com/gunnerkrigg/status/1529865387940134914
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I don't think most people who would go to that discord are hate-thread weirdos who obsess over webcomics they don't like, so it'll probably go fine?
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May 26, 2022 18:21
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This isn't a hate thread it's a mourning thread
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This has in fact turned into a hate-thread. I don't like it but that's how Something Awful topic-threads work.
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The comic should try being good again
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CodfishCartographer posted:Art seems fine to me imo. I don't think they need to address why the Norns aren't involved. Kat was transported to them as a one-off favor by her mom's Actual Goddess Friend, and they need to complete a closed time loop to avoid idk reality fracturing at some point. I wasn't really a fan of wrapping up the Tick Tocks like it did. Kind of felt like plans for them changed partway through the comic and Tom had to go and backfill in a new reason for them. But as a resolution it didn't leave any dangling questions... the opposite, really. As for the whole omega device thing... they exist in a reality where humans can believe something hard enough or specifically enough that reality is completely rewritten from start to finish to include it. So like, could the omega device remove random causality from existence? I guess if you meet the right conditions for reality to make it so? It certainly would fit the broad impression that the Court Elites are given, of being so obsessed with how they "can't have nice (magic) things!" that they'd gently caress over everything to come out ahead and look smarter than everyone else. You know, at the cost of free will and self-determination. That'd be an interesting setup for an ultimate antagonist plan, at least. It all fees a bit off though, because we plain haven't gotten much of substance about the Court at all.
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Rumda posted:The comic should try being good again
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Rand Brittain posted:This has in fact turned into a hate-thread. I don't like it but that's how Something Awful topic-threads work. then why were you still reading it
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CYBEReris posted:Loup knows that but Annie and her team don't Annie has been replaced by Loup (with another Loup, not another Annie).
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