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Even for fratricidal nobility, it's considered somewhat in poor taste to execute every member of a family line down to the children and babies. Of course, in practical terms even one baby who could grow up to press a blood claim might result in a future civil war that'll kill countless innocent people, but that's the sort of outrageous moral dilemmas you get with dynastic politics where you blend the virtues of personal and family life with the necessities of governance and succession (ref: Game of Thrones, all of). For the most part, PTN seems to have stuck within the bounds of canon characters' personalities - maybe pushing them down different roads or changing their loyalties as events have unfolded differently, or writing them with more depth if they were a flat, badly-written hero/villain before, but not completely transforming people under the same name. So assuming that in the canon timeline Stefan Amaris was actually Space Hitler and that wasn't just a case of the victors writing the history books, we might still safely guess that he was much the same this time around, albeit perhaps with more nuance and a different outcome. Edit: seriously, anyone who's played CK2 knows the weird effect on family life that comes from optimal succession strategies. The best thing Hanse could've done for his new realm is kill one of his twin sons and cover up his very existence to prevent the possibility of some brother-against-brother civil war down the line. He named the elder heir for a Davion and the younger one for a Kuritan, people will line up behind each of them to kill the other based on that alone. Their mom probably wouldn't have gone for it, though. Dolash fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Yeah, but "Heir and Spare" is a pretty valuable technique. If, say, Ian Davion does something stupid and get himself killed by Yorinaga Kurita then it's a good idea to have Hanse waiting in the wings. I'm sure Hanse is remembering his own path to the throne with his own sons. The trick is to raise your kids right so that loyalty to the family (and each other) trumps personal ambition.
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The Ottomans had a disgusting tradition that only the heir to the throne could live. In China, a losing dynasty was always genocided. Europe, for all its constant warfare, was far more tolerant of surviving factions.
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RA Rx posted:The Ottomans had a disgusting tradition that only the heir to the throne could live. In China, a losing dynasty was always genocided. Actually not always. It really depended, partly on precisely how they "lost" as well. If I remember correctly, the Wu werent genocided by the Sima/Wei after yielding for example.
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Huh, thanks for the example. But I really don't get why people are so down on Space Hitler VII, when he's running a benign republican dictatorship. Sure, if he's like the first one he'll probably do [i]anything[/bi] necessary short of hurting Rim Worlders (unlike Real Hitler), but before this mission a lot of people were treating him like the untouchable, while the retarded space Mongols are trying to drag humanity back to an aggressively subpar form of warrior tribalism, and all the other houses have done for the last few hundred years is expand militarily or consolidate. Amaris has mostly peacefully expanded humanity both in quantity and quality, running a massive colonization program (for the NRWRs size) improving technology and raising his citizens standard of living. He's really less Space Hitler, and more Lex Luthor in the charitable, antihero portrayals. (Like the one where Superman grows up in the Soviet Union.) RA Rx fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 14:57
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Was the false flag mission (Caldera) actually a false flag mission? The Rim Worlders brought a Hollander and hid their Jackrabbit, but were their units painted in Lyran colours? I've been rereading that update and it's kind of vague.
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They were painted up like a Steiner unit and the cockpit of the opfor Hollander in that mission detonated when it was disabled. It was definitely a false flag operation.
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I'm still a teensy bit sad the Bobcat didn't win, would've had a solid chance if the kick to the head hadn't been clerically downgraded to punch damage (which being Opfor, stuck). One of the few missions I didn't root for the players.
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But what if it was actually Watch infiltrators manipulating ComStar pretending to be the Republic pretending to be House Steiner? 
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It was bird aliens all along!
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I'm sure SAFE would view that as a completely logical conclusion. 
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Dolash posted:Even for fratricidal nobility, it's considered somewhat in poor taste to execute every member of a family line down to the children and babies. Of course, in practical terms even one baby who could grow up to press a blood claim might result in a future civil war that'll kill countless innocent people, but that's the sort of outrageous moral dilemmas you get with dynastic politics where you blend the virtues of personal and family life with the necessities of governance and succession (ref: Game of Thrones, all of). He doesn't have a Kingsguard to shuffle extra sons off to, but if the younger one is named to a Regency operating out of Luthien, that would bar him from any succession. To be Regent you have to sign away your right to ever be First Prince. This is a system that Hanse and Melissa didn't think of because they did not read their own laws, and because the Federated Commonwealth's system of rule was conceptually terrible. "Hey, you know what will discourage people from trying to split up the FedCom? If instead of Katherine and Peter being Regents for Victor, they became the Prince and Archon whenever Victor isn't on that planet. Having separate leaders who gain absolute executive power whenever our idiot son is running around in a Mech will encourage them to work together." Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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LegendairyBovine posted:I'm sure SAFE would view that as a completely logical conclusion. Don't knock SAFE. They're not actually awful, just outclassed by everyone else. This gets worse post 3050 or so when every other intelligence agency starts employing killer cyborgs and SAFE, because the FWL hate cyborgs, has rather limited access to them.
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MJ12 posted:Don't knock SAFE. They're not actually awful, just outclassed by everyone else. I'd give them excellent odds against the various Clans' Watches!
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Vote's coming to a close, so if anyone has some last-minute friends to bug, better do it now!
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MJ12 posted:Don't knock SAFE. They're not actually awful, just outclassed by everyone else. This gets worse post 3050 or so when every other intelligence agency starts employing killer cyborgs and SAFE, because the FWL hate cyborgs, has rather limited access to them. SAFE doesn't even know how they got their own name.
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Getting in under the wire with C and D.
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Oh also C and C for actual votes. I'm not at all convinced that putting our bondman into a cockpit to fight for space Hitler is a good idea, but it has the most potential for hilarity.
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Well, in all honesty, having the 15th `Mech is really going to help. Help keep my Unit sprite sheet looking pretty, that is!   Duncan was wrong. The unit looks better with a consistent color scheme. 
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Of course duncan has to be red, because he is both the dad and possibly the char?
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You're not 80's space nobility unless you go to war with your commanding officer painted to stand out vividly from the rest of the unit, complete with a contrasting accent over the cockpit to make it a natural point of aim.
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....Is that an Ubranmech with an HEAVY GAUSS RIFLE!?
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So it looks like the Demon Hawks are going to field a Trinary in the next battle? Duncan was mistaken: the Clanners aren't going to be confused about the numbers at all.
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Ardlen posted:So it looks like the Demon Hawks are going to field a Trinary in the next battle? Duncan was mistaken: the Clanners aren't going to be confused about the numbers at all. But possibly offended! "A Trinary? How dare they mock us with our own conventions of deployment! Murder the spheroids and press on to take the fool Amaris' head!"
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C&C is a game series that I'm very glad ended as a trilogy. In the meantime, is it urbanmech troll time? Becaise it looks like its urbanmech troll time. I mean, the urbie with snub ppc and ecm+probe is hilarious. This, though, this looks as funny as the urbieIIc with a HAG 20. Centurium fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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A and C if it's not too late. Can't wait to see the screamer in action.
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C & C
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C for hiring and A for piloting.
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C for hiring and C for piloting.
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Zaodai posted:Space Hitler did nothing wrong. Clan Space Hitler did half as much, twice as wrong. I'll see myself out EDIT: vvvv 
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hooman posted:Clan Space Hitler did half as much, twice as wrong. Which would still be nothing wrong, thanks to our good friend "basic math". On the plus side, I now hope the Clans get murdered even more. Yes, even the few Ghost Bears present.
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Zaodai posted:Which would still be nothing wrong, thanks to our good friend "basic math". Personally I'm rooting for Task Force Serpent. They understand the importance of Steiner rules.
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Wait, they had time to paint up the Vulture but not the Atlas? Duncan must really loathe the blue and yellow.
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Back Hack posted:....Is that an Ubranmech with an HEAVY GAUSS RIFLE!? Mech construction rules state that Heavy Gauss Rifles can't be mounted in a mech's arms. The official reason is that the sheer recoil would obliterate the actuators and tear the whole thing off. It's probably an Urbanmech IIC with a HAG/20.
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Honestly, it's not too big of a problem for Duncan's Atlas to be red and stand out like that. It's the most survivable mech on the field and I think would benefit from enemies throwing themselves in his way. It should be tanking hits the others wouldn't survive and never be without a target. By contrast, it's probably a good thing that Jason doesn't stand out as much - he's the co-slash-backup leader if Duncan's high visibility ends badly and while his mech may go fast enough to dodge most incoming fire it'd still probably be preferable to be underestimated and have people let him get behind them.
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Scintilla posted:Mech construction rules state that Heavy Gauss Rifles can't be mounted in a mech's arms. The official reason is that the sheer recoil would obliterate the actuators and tear the whole thing off. It's probably an Urbanmech IIC with a HAG/20. If we're lucky, its an exported Suburban Mech from the ... lyran? mech-teaser a while ago. The assault mech that is, with 2 jump jets for orbital insertions.
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Dolash posted:
Actually to me it sounded like a reference to that doctor from Babylon 5 (the self-righteous one, who went walkabout half-way through the series). But yeah it could be a reference to the cartoon.
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Not everyone is a reference.
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Scintilla posted:Mech construction rules state that Heavy Gauss Rifles can't be mounted in a mech's arms. The official reason is that the sheer recoil would obliterate the actuators and tear the whole thing off. It's probably an Urbanmech IIC with a HAG/20. But the base Urbanmech carries it's AC in the right torso, not the arm. Therefore the Heavy Guass Urbanmech should have the big gun in the same place, yes?
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Dolash posted:Honestly, it's not too big of a problem for Duncan's Atlas to be red and stand out like that. It's the most survivable mech on the field and I think would benefit from enemies throwing themselves in his way. It should be tanking hits the others wouldn't survive and never be without a target. given what's been mentioned about Jason's ride, it might be best for them to paint it bright pink with a "KERENSKY SUCKS" banner on its back, so the clanners spend their time missing it over and over again
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