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Pash posted:From what I hear it basically says nothing and is from like Page 8 of the book.
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Quote from Miranda: quote:Pat Rothfuss’ Kingkiller books are among the most read and re-read in our home. It’s a world you want to spend lifetimes in, as his many fans will attest. Pat also writes about the act of making music more beautifully than any novelist I’ve ever read. I can’t wait to play a part in bringing this world to life onscreen. Welp guess we're all wrong about Rothfuss' music writing, let's pack it up FinerArtAilures.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:12
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jivjov posted:I hope this finally puts to rest the whining that Book 3 isn't being worked on, if nothing else. Nope. Remember, the whole trilogy was already complete 9.5 years ago, so this could be one of those pages that just had to be polished up a bit.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:20
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ulmont posted:Nope. Remember, the whole trilogy was already complete 9.5 years ago, so this could be one of those pages that just had to be polished up a bit. This could just be a screenshot of that, look at those Word icons; that's about five generations old at this point.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:23
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Ornamented Death posted:This could just be a screenshot of that, look at those Word icons; that's about five generations old at this point. Rothfuss still using Word 2002 (Office XP) today wouldn't surprise me much, but you're right that it's a very old version. EDIT: Yes, as of 2011 Rothfuss was still using Word 97. https://bookbanter.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/an-interview-with-patrick-rothfuss-march-2011/
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Nov 29, 2016 22:38
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To be fair to Rothfuss, GRRM writes on a computer older than most of the posters in this thread.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:43
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gently caress the screenshot of the page, does someone have the tirade he went on when it was revealed? I want to see that super bad, it reinforces the negative things I already think about him. Also, Lin, buddy, you had a good thing going. Is this how you want to spoil it?
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Nov 29, 2016 23:12
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I was about to complain about the use of modern idioms in fantasy, but it turns out that "burning the candle at both ends" is over 300 years old. So now I'm just going to complain about the use of idioms that feel modern to my own arbitrary perspective.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:21
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Ornamented Death posted:To be fair to Rothfuss, GRRM writes on a computer older than most of the posters in this thread. GRRM could have a new computer and still be running DOS on it. Some vendors will even ship you a new computer with FreeDOS preinstalled. http://www.dell.com/content/learnmo...recommendations Strom Cuzewon posted:I was about to complain about the use of modern idioms in fantasy, but it turns out that "burning the candle at both ends" is over 300 years old. Considering that candles haven't been the major form of light for quite some time, I would have been surprised if "burning the candle at both ends" was much younger than 300 years old.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:28
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Hello friends, please enjoy these articles about the sexism throughout Rothfuss' books. Some of these are even written by people who are otherwise fans of his prose for some godforsaken reason. The Wise Man's Fear - Patrick Rothfuss and institutional sexism is a pretty detailed takedown of institutional sexism within the text, and focuses on how Felurian and Marie are depicted in the text. Sexism in the Wise Man's Fear Part 1 talks about the Adem, while Part 2 talks about Felurian. Rothfuss Reread: Speculative Summary 19: Each Woman Is Like An Instrument is a mini-series discussing the role of women in the books. The first (linked to here) focuses on the lack of women in the frame story and discusses what this implies. We even have a starter analysis from someone who is self-described as "wary of feminist issues" but who still noticed sexism throughout the text. Let's not forget all the delightful things Rothfuss himself has said, what they imply about his attitude, and how these attitudes have likely influenced his work whether he realizes it or not. I am still waiting on jivjov's analysis in defense of Rothfuss' depictions of women, which he insists are good and positive, which I note he has not posted yet. Perhaps he will respond to these observations from other critics in his analysis. Reene fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 02:35
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Reene posted:
I truthfully have not launched my re-read yet. Working retail around the holidays has not left me with much time for leisure reading or other pursuits. Note that my Japanese cinema thread over in CineD has also languished for months.
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Nov 30, 2016 02:57
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If the girl who wrote that one article spelled the word aroused correctly it would be much easier to take her complaints seriously. Especially since several of them are legitimate. Oh well.
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Ohvee posted:Not really sure how I feel about this. http://deadline.com/2016/11/lin-manuel-miranda-the-kingkiller-chronicle-movie-tv-show-1201861224/ Well Miranda will make the music better. And maybe he'll weed out some of the institutionalized sexism, or the female characters will seems more developed in the hands of experienced female actors. I'm optimistic, as long as Rothfuss doesn't become the kind of executive producer that storms on set and demands that his vision be met at all costs. But he's probably not assertive enough to do something like that, even if he wanted to.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:02
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Interesting. I guess you can do what you want when you're getting a percentage of all Hamilton ticket sales. Maybe Lin can get the Rock to be Ambrose (which would make him the best character and protagonist).
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Nov 30, 2016 07:49
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I can't get over his misspelling of permanent in that posted image for some reason. Also Kvothe speaking indulgently to Bast and then the physical description of, "his face was the same pale as the rest of him, but his eyes were the same bright green as always, and his voice was utterly unchanged." just makes me cringe. I met a girl at work conference who adored Rothfuss so much I almost pointed her to this thread out of spite but it seemed like it meant a lot to her so I held my tongue.
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Nov 30, 2016 08:49
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Reene posted:Hello friends, please enjoy these articles about the sexism throughout Rothfuss' books. Some of these are even written by people who are otherwise fans of his prose for some godforsaken reason. "So onto The Wise Man's fear and why I turned it off, put it down and will not be continuing to read it despite loving Rothfuss' use of language, incredible world construction and based around a magical premise very appealing to a storyteller. " Lol when people try to express literary criticism through cliches of nerd-dom and social justice discourse. jivjov posted:Note that my Japanese cinema thread over in CineD has also languished for months. To be honest, your reviews there are poo poo. Every single one is just the blandest, most boring crap. So not writing would be a point in your favour too. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 09:57
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It should be noted that just because someone is talented that doesn't mean they are able to recognize talent or quality in other works. People with talent are just as capable of having bad taste as anyone else.
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Nov 30, 2016 10:13
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jivjov posted:I truthfully have not launched my re-read yet. Working retail around the holidays has not left me with much time for leisure reading or other pursuits. Note that my Japanese cinema thread over in CineD has also languished for months. Just stop. You've proudly talked about reading the same 2 books over a dozen times. Can you not even read one of the examples BOTL has posted? There are tons of examples in this thread of other genre writers who's works are good/great/decent and don't have the same pacing and sexism problems that Rothfuss does. For example, the Locke Lamora series is a pretty quick read given there are only 3 books out, and the first book works pretty well as a nice low fantasy anti-hero story. Joe Abercrombie has probably written more in one year then Rothfuss has written in 5 and The First Law trilogy is a good example of a classic fantasy done different and compelling. I don't even know why you post in this thread. No one agrees with you, you cannot even coherently answer any of the questions posed to you by BOTL, you're openly dismissive of any constructive critique of the books and the writing specifically and you seem to lack the ability to even think about the book and the text beyond "oh well I like it so everything you say is wrong" I really enjoyed the books when I read them mostly because I didn't think about them critically. Once you do, or if you approach it in context of having a varied literary experience, it does not hold up well and has so many "my fav OC is perfect" fanfic-esque moments it's kind of shocking its as popular as it is. Even reading WMF for the first time I skipped over all the fairy sex scenes, thought the sex ninja village was loving stupid, and was weirded out by the whole saving the village girls who were sex slaves then banging them right away.
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Atlas Hugged posted:It should be noted that just because someone is talented that doesn't mean they are able to recognize talent or quality in other works. People with talent are just as capable of having bad taste as anyone else. Maybe Hamilton is also overrated. jivjov posted:I truthfully have not launched my re-read yet. Working retail around the holidays has not left me with much time for leisure reading or other pursuits. Note that my Japanese cinema thread over in CineD has also languished for months. What is the German word for the perfect troll that is actually real.
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Nov 30, 2016 13:34
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Weltschwanz.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:
You're perfectly free not to read my reviews if you find them distasteful. That won't hurt my feelings one bit. pentyne posted:Just stop. You've proudly talked about reading the same 2 books over a dozen times. Can you not even read one of the examples BOTL has posted? There are tons of examples in this thread of other genre writers who's works are good/great/decent and don't have the same pacing and sexism problems that Rothfuss does. Sorry that my reading schedule hasn't met with your approval. I forgot that my decisions are subject to the approval of Forums Poster pentyne.
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Nov 30, 2016 15:37
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I've never seen someone so unwilling to talk about a piece of fiction in a thread dedicated to that piece of fiction.
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I'm just baffled that someone who claims to have read and re-read the series several times cannot offer a single cogent argument or even a vague citation to support the position that Rothfuss is good at writing women or that the text has feminist merit, and insists instead that they need to re-read the entire series all over again to even begin talking about it with any detail. Maybe it's because one doesn't exist. 
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Nov 30, 2016 16:28
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Reene posted:I'm just baffled that someone who claims to have read and re-read the series several times cannot offer a single cogent argument or even a vague citation to support the position that Rothfuss is good at writing women or that the text has feminist merit, and insists instead that they need to re-read the entire series all over again to even begin talking about it with any detail. If I'm gonna do up a detailed post analysis, I'd rather do it in chronological order and with direct quotations.
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Nov 30, 2016 16:40
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I'm starting to doubt you've even read the books when you can't make the slightest allusion to their content and make some conclusions out of that. Not to mention how you're incapable of answering any question or argument someone might have.
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Nov 30, 2016 16:59
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm starting to doubt you've even read the books when you can't make the slightest allusion to their content and make some conclusions out of that. Not to mention how you're incapable of answering any question or argument someone might have. I've talked about the content of the books many times.
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Nov 30, 2016 17:07
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Reene posted:Hello friends, please enjoy these articles about the sexism throughout Rothfuss' books. Some of these are even written by people who are otherwise fans of his prose for some godforsaken reason. Holy balls, the comments in some of those links. So many idiotic "I disagree with everything you said but I'm not going to elaborate because your perspective is ill-conceived and thought out." may as well say "Your views are loving trash you dumb feminist bitch!"
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jivjov posted:I've talked about the content of the books many times. Most of your posts are whining about how mean everyone is. Everything you've said about Kingkiller can be gleaned off from wikis, read-throughs, or this thread. You've never shown any understanding of the books, their content, themes, etc that should be the result of reading them ten times. In contrast, I only had to read The Name of the Wind twice. Once to know what it was, and a second time for this thread. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 17:26
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Ccs posted:I'm optimistic, as long as Rothfuss doesn't become the kind of executive producer that storms on set and demands that his vision be met at all costs. But he's probably not assertive enough to do something like that, even if he wanted to. IIRC this is basically what he does with his 'proofreaders' so don't hold your breath.
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Jimbot posted:Holy balls, the comments in some of those links. So many idiotic "I disagree with everything you said but I'm not going to elaborate because your perspective is ill-conceived and thought out." may as well say "Your views are loving trash you dumb feminist bitch!" For those that skimmed the links: Rothfuss published a calendar of "sexy, not smutty" pin-up girls based on classical literature http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2011/11/the-new-coolness-or-how-i-accidentally-published-a-calendar/ It's somehow even worse than those "cut out words from a book into the shape of a pretty picture to show how deep I am" posters.
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Jimbot posted:Holy balls, the comments in some of those links. So many idiotic "I disagree with everything you said but I'm not going to elaborate because your perspective is ill-conceived and thought out." may as well say "Your views are loving trash you dumb feminist bitch!" People sharing their contrasting opinions and saying why they think so is anti feminist now?
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jivjov posted:Sorry that my reading schedule hasn't met with your approval. I forgot that my decisions are subject to the approval of Forums Poster pentyne. This is like the second or third time you use this exact same response to completely ignore and dismiss actual questions and comments you can't/won't answer. For all your praise and love for the books you've read 10+ times you literally cannot come back at any probing, substantive questions about the books and your reading habits with anything other then passive aggressive sarcasm.
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At least jivjov isn't one of those goons who spent thousands on Star Citizen. Silver linings! 
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Strom Cuzewon posted:For those that skimmed the links: Rothfuss published a calendar of "sexy, not smutty" pin-up girls based on classical literature http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2011/11/the-new-coolness-or-how-i-accidentally-published-a-calendar/ Good effin' lord it's somehow even worse when you know where they're from. I just figured it was of specific characters from a bunch of fantasy works or something. 
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I don't have any comment about the sexism in the series although I see it now that it's been pointed out. I just finally got back into reading for the first time since my son was born 2 years ago, and I picked up this thread after not looking at it since may 2013 and the first unread post was "any news on book 3?"
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jivjov posted:If I'm gonna do up a detailed post analysis, I'd rather do it in chronological order and with direct quotations. That would be amazing. Please do this.
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The Nastier Nate posted:I don't have any comment about the sexism in the series although I see it now that it's been pointed out. I just finally got back into reading for the first time since my son was born 2 years ago, and I picked up this thread after not looking at it since may 2013 and the first unread post was "any news on book 3?" Did you read the leaked page from 3? Basically Bast it's going to get Kvothe a Tylenol.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Maybe Hamilton is also overrated. No idea. I listened to a song on YouTube and turned it off because I didn't like it but I just assumed that was on me.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Maybe Hamilton is also overrated. It is, but only because it's massively overhyped. It's still good. (Well, at least the music is. I haven't actually seen it, because I am a peasant.) It's like how I think Final Fantasy VII is both very good and overrated.
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