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The_Franz posted:functionally kde4 was pretty good, everyone hated it because the interface was ugly as gently caress and felt like it was designed by and for people who spend so much time in a dark room that they need sunglasses in the presence of a 40 watt light bulb. you could try to make it look nicer but that usually had the side effects of misaligned buttons, squished icons and cut-off controls. lol functionally i remember "u can place a clock widget on a screen, zoom it up 125% and rotate it 22 degress to the left and make it semitransparent" being a huge selling point and loving lmao idiot nerds
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Maximum Leader posted:can u rdp to a server core? idk. maybe? youd probably have to enable the service and even then you'd probably still just get a console.
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cthulhoo posted:lol functionally with kde 4, they burnt a shitload of time and effort on some kind of ultra-customizable tablet-focused interface: "plasma" welp turns out nobody wants desktop widgets and none of the plasma stuff works on a real tablet because it can't handle high-DPI
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Soricidus posted:I've never gotten the obsession with horizontal panels. our monitors are getting wider and shorter, surely the only logical thing to do is to shift to taking up space at either side instead agreed. something unity actually gets right. I might even actually like unity if they hadn't inherited the alt-tab alt-` crap from gnome 3, and then also not had any good way to fix it, unlike gnome 3's extension.
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its loving mindblowing 2me that thres a totally free OS that works OOTB with most hardware configurtions, has a dope as gently caress app store, and has nice knockofs of most programs that work pretty darn well and ppl get rly pissed about it. ubuntu ships with a grip more cool poo poo than windows and u dont have to pirate apps from random websites to get functionality. i run my whole theatre on lovely linux computers. that goes from desktop publishing with libreoffice for ur programs, to kdenlive for making promo videos. and its all free. WOW
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lmao what linux applications are trash that's what happens when you burn your user interface apis to the loving ground every four years like clockwork, actually-productive people write you off as a waste of time so the only ppl who continue to develop in vain for ShitPlatform 0.8 (the third version 0.8 in as many years) are the True Believer spergs web browsers and terminal emulators somehow continue to work despite all this. if that's all u need then linux can work for u and the pathetic thing is it's still better than windows 8.1 update 1 r1
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Mr Dog posted:web browsers and terminal emulators somehow continue to work despite all this. if that's all u need then linux can work for u web browsers, terminal emulators, eclipse, and emacs all share an important property that allows them to be usable while everything else crumbles around them: they draw all their own poo poo firefox uses GTK to paint, and does some halfassed emulation to look like your GTK theme, but it's not really GTK. it has its own lovely cross-platform widget set that it uses inside, so whatever dumbass fingerpainting tablet-happy bullshit Gnome 3 provides this week isn't going to affect it eclipse is the same story, but with swt+awt emacs is the same story, but with a pluggable backend (gtk, x11, win32, cocoa -- emacs gives no shits) terminal emulators do all their own painting over X11, there are no widgets. maaaaybe a font rendering library if you use a really fancy one.
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if you don't use any shared infrastructure, then the crappiness and churn of the shared infrastructure doesn't matter problem "solved"
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libvte does use GTK+. It doesn't do raw X11.
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yeah konsole and whatever gnome 3 calls it this week are the "really fancy" ones mentioned most terminal emulators just spew x11. xterm, rxvt, aterm, mrxvt etc. gnome 3 can be so broken it won't build and rxvt will work Just Fine
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:firefox uses GTK to paint, and does some halfassed emulation to look like your GTK theme, but it's not really GTK. it has its own lovely cross-platform widget set that it uses inside, so whatever dumbass fingerpainting tablet-happy bullshit Gnome 3 provides this week isn't going to affect it the widget toolkit purists always bitch about how it's not really GTK underneath Firefox's/Chrome's rendering, but the toolkit doesn't deliver all the things you need to do CSS so welp. (also, rewriting the widget layer every couple of years to support a few dozen Linux users is pretty bad economics.) it also doesn't like being touched from non-main threads, last I checked, which is essential for maintaining smoothness in modern browsers. I may be a couple of years out of date, but the relationship dynamic is well-established and no matter how many flowers GTK bought me I wouldn't let it back in the house. tbf, browsers and code editors are unusual in the breadth and scale of their demands on a widget toolkit.
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chome on gnome lmao
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Subjunctive posted:tbf, browsers and code editors are unusual in the breadth and scale of their demands on a widget toolkit. I understand browsers, but what do you mean about code editors?
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Feb 16, 2015 21:26
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crazypenguin posted:I understand browsers, but what do you mean about code editors? i think he means the gui ones with tons of autocompleting for scrubs and not pro ones
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crazypenguin posted:I understand browsers, but what do you mean about code editors? syntax highlighting line numbers all kinds of marks and diacritics (setting breakpoints, flagging bad code) special popup dialogues for completion "widgets" exist to serve as code editors, but invariably those "widgets" are as complicated and self-contained as an entire standalone application. e.g. kate/kate-part, scite/scintilla
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Subjunctive posted:(also, rewriting the widget layer every couple of years to support a few dozen Linux users is pretty bad economics.) didn't the pre-mozilla netscape try to use motif directly for everything outside the actual html view? (it was never open source so i can't very well go and google it)
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Motif was spun out of Mosaic.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Motif was spun out of Mosaic. indeed, NCSA used their time machine to go back in time before the web even existed and tell the OSF what they needed to create, it was quite a feat and deserves to be better known
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Feb 16, 2015 23:30
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Suspicious Dish posted:Motif was spun out of Mosaic. i don't think this is true although it would be a really cool story if it was e:f;b
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crazypenguin posted:I understand browsers, but what do you mean about code editors? very few widget kits deal with very large contents in their text widgets very gracefully. almost certainly not with any formatting applied. they also usually don't make it straightforward to customize selection highlight/behaviour in the ways that you want for writing a modern IDE/editor.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:didn't the pre-mozilla netscape try to use motif directly for everything outside the actual html view? the initial Mozilla source release was of the Motif-burdened version, as it happens. but yeah, it tried to (and inside the HTML view). it also had poor support even for the CSS of the day. it was a simpler time. that said, the Motif development experience, even when dealing with N forked vendor impls, was reportedly better than the GTK one for quite some time. I never did much at the Xfe level, though I did get involved in the original GTK port.
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[systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 219
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Breakfast All Day posted:[systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 219 Let's depend on a bunch of btrfs poo poo for no good reason
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Breakfast All Day posted:[systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 219 Did read yet. Pls spoiler the laffs.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:Did read yet. Pls spoiler the laffs. "219"
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Suspicious Dish posted:"219" Thought it was a minor number, like they leave out 0. So 0.219 doesn't seem as bad. Version 219 does not sell me. Just be dishonest like windows 7 or we. Or make it like modulo 10.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:Thought it was a minor number, like they leave out 0. So 0.219 doesn't seem as bad. Version 219 does not sell me. Just be dishonest like windows 7 or we. Or make it like modulo 10. doesn't systemd use a tonal numbering scheme?
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  Luke Wolf, a KDE developer, argues that PC-BSD might become a serious desktop OS contender by year 2020, since Linux so far has failed to grasp any serious market share. "PC-BSD on the other hand in fitting with the BSD mindset of holistic solutions is focused on developing desktop features and is moving rapidly to implement them." so are all kde devs retarded fuckwits or is it just this one special pissflower, i mean going by the product they output id say all of them but Notorious b.s.d. posted:and none of the plasma stuff works on a real tablet because it can't handle high-DPI i remember that much unlike gnome dipshits which exist in purely hypothetical tablet/user space someone kde was dumb enough to actually try to make an kde tablet; not sure how that ended but i hope for tears and general misery cthulhoo fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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theres a "netbook" kde spin that uses a interface thats a bit better for touch than the full desktop, and i think it's automatically chosen if your vertical screen resolution is <= something like 600px https://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/screenshots/netbook.png
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this thread always makes me want to use a linux, then i install it and understand why i never have before after fighting with nvidia drivers on fedora i have given up again
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i didn't have any issues installing the nvidia drivers with rpm fusion, what did you do and what happen?
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Celexi posted:i didn't have any issues installing the nvidia drivers with rpm fusion, what did you do and what happen? sudo sh nvidia-xx.x.xx.sh - who neds package management?
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why would you need to install gfx drivers on a headless linux server?
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Celexi posted:i didn't have any issues installing the nvidia drivers with rpm fusion, what did you do and what happen? i cant really remember now because it was a while ago, but i tried to install them using the package manager and it pulled down everything minus the 64bit poo poo, which i obvs needed so i had to go and find that myself
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cthulhoo posted:
Linux, BSD, Solaris, etc all can run the same apps and UI so by definition one cannot really excel that far. Aside of critical missing pieces like running Microsoft Office well a lot of the problems come down to system integration and Linux always takes the lead due to more active development. Ironically BSD land will need a Systemd and pulse audio equivalent to improve their integration support. If the existing user land integration worked the Unix desktop would have been completed 20+ years ago.
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