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At my megacorp this meant that you could sort of shadow someone in a different silo to gain more insight on what exactly they do and see if you may be interested in moving to that role someday. I let someone listen in on a few calls (project kickoff, draft review) and made myself available to answer any questions they had after that. Also let them review drafts. I have done this twice now, one person was late to calls and interrupted me to blurt out incorrect information, and the other person was engaged and awesome and is getting my job now that I am leaving 
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Smithwick posted:Just had a team meeting pop up with my boss’ boss. My team submitted a big project proposal to our boss, and it got passed on to our boss's boss. She (boss's boss) added in some random-rear end thing, without discussing the issue with anyone, that we had never heard of and weren't prepared to address, then submitted it to the big cheese for final approval. I wouldn't have even known it got added if I didn't go back and review the work after she submitted it up to the big cheese. Today boss's boss schedules a meeting to "discuss random-rear end thing." I'm pretty sure we're going to get yelled at for not being prepared to address the thing she invented. Perhaps she got asked by the big cheese "What is this thing that doesn't fit into this proposal? Why does it have a throw-away half sentence explanation? How does it affect the millions of dollars otherwise at issue here?" And clearly it's my team's fault boss's boss wasn't prepared to answer those questions.
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May 24, 2023 17:06
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Inner Light posted:God drat wtf? This is a hosed up post. Sorry I dunno if posting about posting is still against the rules, throw a 6er if I deserve it, but wow. thats fourier series and thats kind of their thing. they pop into this thread every few months to try and lob a grenade into whatever discussion happened to be going on, and i guess they probably couldn't ignore this opportunity to do it again
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May 24, 2023 17:09
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Trabant posted:Serious question re: Mentoring It's an opportunity for your manager to look good by improving you. Actual initiative will be punished.
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May 24, 2023 17:11
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Yeah in my experience those programs are checkboxes, subject entirely to the effort put in by the individual mentor. If you luck out, you get great dedicated time to learn from an experienced senior. If you do not get lucky, you will be one of the 90+% of people in those programs who get a quarterly check-in to shoot the poo poo if anything at all
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May 24, 2023 17:13
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Trabant posted:Serious question re: Mentoring ime there was some career guidance for how to round out my experience, some exposure to how different areas executives thought about the business, but it’s mostly networking opportunities and something to put on your resume
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May 24, 2023 17:14
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remigious posted:Umm I am going to change the subject… Hell, same. I generally like to give people room to do their thing but given the constant crush of "do more with less" that is not working as well as it once might have. I hate it.
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May 24, 2023 17:25
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Trabant posted:Serious question re: Mentoring Also a gigacorp employee who has dealt with similar stuff in the past and feels your frustration. We’re really bad for new hires because even in the context of giving them a formal mentor that person typically is in the same team and so it becomes a catch all for all manner of disparate questions from “how do I get access to this room” to “how do I build a VM” to “how do I work well with my boss” and it makes it hard to get focused. I agree with what people have already said and would add +You can have a technical mentor or a business/behavioral mentor. Technical side is easier, just focus on actual hard results and how to do stuff / what to learn. Business is a lot more unfocused but really a lot more valuable. Discuss career paths, what helped them in the past, etc. It's up to you to define what you want to talk about (I know that's not necessarily helpful . . . ) +Distinguish between mentoring and coaching (which is a big new push here). Mentoring relies a lot on the mentor’s personal experience, if you’re a mentor you’re giving direct advice and guidance and sharing what you went through. Coaching is about longer term goals and open ended questions, where as the coach you’re not supposed to give the answer but are making the coached person think critically about the situation The 1-2 mentors I had formally assigned were pretty bad, and I get the sense that’s what a lot of people experience. But if you actually can FIND a mentor on your own who you have a rapport with and you can have an open and honest discussion about work and what you want to get our of having a mentor, that can actually help you out even if it’s just someone who you can vent to (obvious caveat you have to trust this person).
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May 24, 2023 17:26
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dirby posted:I think it's a regional corporate slang for "unavailable" (which I've only seen online), unless I just missed the typo. Oh lol I just assumed a weird autocorrect from office -> pocket.
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May 24, 2023 18:06
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HiroProtagonist posted:thats fourier series and thats kind of their thing. they pop into this thread every few months to try and lob a grenade into whatever discussion happened to be going on, and i guess they probably couldn't ignore this opportunity to do it again It's a John Smith rereg so look up that account for additional information.
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May 24, 2023 18:13
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dirby posted:I think it's a regional corporate slang for "unavailable" (which I've only seen online), unless I just missed the typo. Yes it is slang for unavailable. Now that I think about it I am not sure how or when that entered my vocabulary. It seems like a phrase I have always known. Anyway, confirmed that my boss has left the company and I get the impression that she found a new gig. Boss’s boss seemed a little unprepared so I think he got blindsided. Or maybe she reached a breaking point and said, “gently caress this poo poo, I’m out.”
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May 24, 2023 18:35
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Boss calls me today asking me what I'm up to some random week coming up. Yeah I have a week long bootcamp. I guess you forgot? We signed me up for it 8 months ago so yeah I can see how that can happen. Oh whoops. Turns out the company has a last minute opening for a conference in loving VEGAS and wanted to invite me but now I can't go. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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May 24, 2023 18:43
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Find a career mentor outside of your company, if you can. You want to talk to them about your career, not just your job. And that involves talking about opportunities elsewhere. Job mentors can help if you are focused in the conversations and have clear things you want to accomplish (movement, progression, interesting projects, begging for raises, etc).
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May 24, 2023 18:45
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I had a one on one with my manger today to discuss individual development plans. He told me he wanted to promote me, I told him I wanted to change career fields. He said he’d still try to promote me even if I’m planning on leaving. I have a meeting with the department head of the other group I’m trying to get into on Friday, so we’ll see how that goes. This is also the first time in almost 14 years of working that working hard at my job is leading to a promotion. It’s usually led to more work and the same pay and in one case less money and more work
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May 24, 2023 18:58
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My employer balked at hiring an in-house counsel because of the cost (low 6 figures). They would rather pay outside counsel (high 6 to low 7 figures). I started actively looking last night.
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May 24, 2023 19:08
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Not sure if I’m happy that my manager let me take off in the middle of the day for a last second medical appointment without spending PTO or making me work late, or just real mad at Corporate America. Maybe both.
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May 24, 2023 19:11
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dirby posted:I think it's a regional corporate slang for "unavailable" (which I've only seen online), unless I just missed the typo. Yep no idea where out of pocket came from, but I hear it time to time in the Midwest US. It was a bigger phrase like 10 years ago I think. I'd just say unavailable or something probably.
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May 24, 2023 19:15
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Inner Light posted:Yep no idea where out of pocket came from, but I hear it time to time in the Midwest US. It was a bigger phrase like 10 years ago I think. I'd just say unavailable or something probably. Yeah it's the dumbest phrase ever and I've hated it ever since I heard it. "Out of Pocket" already had a use! It meant you were paying for something yourself! Being on a business trip, funded by the business" is nowhere close to this!
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May 24, 2023 19:38
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Inner Light posted:Yep no idea where out of pocket came from, but I hear it time to time in the Midwest US.
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May 24, 2023 19:42
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Trabant posted:Serious question re: Mentoring This wasn't a gigacorp, but a couple of jobs ago I had a formal mentor. She just listened to me bitch about my lovely boss once a month, which was therapeutic but not exactly "mentorship." The one time she gave me some concrete advice it was really bad (which I learned the hard way after following it). Eventually I switched teams to a boss who wasn't lovely and decided that I didn't really need a "mentor" anymore.
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May 24, 2023 19:44
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Trabant posted:Serious question re: Mentoring I like this response for the business side: Jordan7hm posted:Find a career mentor outside of your company, if you can. You want to talk to them about your career, not just your job. And that involves talking about opportunities elsewhere. For a technical/skills mentor, you want someone that has done the thing you want to do, can show you the steps to do the thing, and can help correct mistakes while doing the thing. Someone that can take an abstract goal and help realize it. You might not have the same person for all functions, like a senior widget-maker offers tech support while someone higher up says how you can improve widget-making. But it’s someone that can help you realize you can grow bigger than the job you’re in.
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May 24, 2023 20:13
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Don't know why you're bothering looking for mentorship when you all have Somethingawful accounts. Best advice I've ever received or given is in this thread.
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May 24, 2023 21:25
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My organization ran a coaching class for people managers during lockdown. As part of it, they had to actually coach people and then get feedback from the coachees and discussing it with their instructor. My boss was part of it, so he asked some of us to volunteer. I did and had several very interesting sessions with an absolutely amazing person. How to handle myself and my personal brand in a global organization, discussing how other people had reacted to me in various situations, and some talk of career development. My org actively encourages horizontal and diagonal moves within the larger company, I could take a degree in chemistry and move into research for an extreme example. That makes those kind of discussions a lot safer. I'm really starting to appreciate working for a healthy organization. Too drat bad Informatics is looking at a strong possibility of layoffs because lol, budget go boom.
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May 24, 2023 21:53
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I’ve noticed that I’m letting my bitterness about my last company deep through a bit when talking in interviews. Nothing super egregious, but i am conscious of it after the fact. Anyone have tips for dealing with that mentally in those type of situations? Besides alcohol of course.
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May 24, 2023 22:08
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I mean seriously gently caress those cock sucking motherfuckers, but I need to contain my “they can go gently caress themselves” vibes better
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Thank you all for replies about mentoring. It really sounds like a combo of pure luck and circumstance in great many cases.
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mllaneza posted:My organization ran a coaching class for people managers during lockdown. As part of it, they had to actually coach people and then get feedback from the coachees and discussing it with their instructor. My boss was part of it, so he asked some of us to volunteer. I did and had several very interesting sessions with an absolutely amazing person. How to handle myself and my personal brand in a global organization, discussing how other people had reacted to me in various situations, and some talk of career development. Boom goes the budget indeed.  I just got confirmation that no, we can neither convert our contractors to blue badge nor extend them past their one-extension limit, even though they're not technically 1099s but are PPD employees. I got to deliver that news today. Fortunately, one of them started job-hunting already and had an offer. He was grateful for that news, because it at least made the decision easier for him.On the topic of mentoring, we're supposed to have all these individual development plans in place for our underlings, but some really don't give a poo poo and actually don't want to advance. I have one who has been in his role for about 8 years now and has straight up told me he doesn't want to move higher in the organization or have more responsibility. He's good at what he does, so my perspective is that we just let him keep doing it if he's comfortable with the standard 3%-per-year raises for eternity. The dude's like 50. What's he going to do, go back for a master's degree so he can advance beyond technician level? gently caress no, just let him do his thing and stop pressuring him to "make something of himself." He did, he likes what he is, and that's good enough by me. But no, I have to find him career mentors and "grow his spotlight in the organization" now. Just what this guy wants, I tell ya.  Meanwhile, in mine I specifically asked for more interaction with director-level compliance and regulatory folks, more opportunities to shape the agenda instead of react to it, and opportunities to develop delegation and trust skills (I'm honestly bad about that; I don't trust most people to get their poo poo done and do it right, which means I keep too much on my own plate, etc etc). My management chain isn't sure they can do that, because "that's not quite the point of IDPs." So what the gently caress is the point, when you're talking about management roles being told to have IDPs as well? Give me tools to get better at managing effectively, and opportunities to show off what I can do to higher-level folks. Or, I mean, just write down a kaleidoscope of synergistic technopomp and give yourselves a high-five on doing nothing. That works too. 
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secular woods sex posted:My employer balked at hiring an in-house counsel because of the cost (low 6 figures). They would rather pay outside counsel (high 6 to low 7 figures). Because one number looks worse on the P/L than the other number. Modern accounting has given everyone brain worms. At least that's the explanation for similarly baffling decisions in software.
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Hi corpo thread, you will probably be interested in a subforum update post in the rules thread and some recent entries in the LC. Please check it out but generally keep any meta-posting comments to the rules thread or PM. https://twitter.com/selinawednesday/status/1646181381276581895
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Sundae posted:I have one who has been in his role for about 8 years now and has straight up told me he doesn't want to move higher in the organization or have more responsibility. He's good at what he does, so my perspective is that we just let him keep doing it if he's comfortable with the standard 3%-per-year raises for eternity. The dude's like 50. What's he going to do, go back for a master's degree so he can advance beyond technician level? gently caress no, just let him do his thing and stop pressuring him to "make something of himself." He did, he likes what he is, and that's good enough by me. This is one of those things that has cropped up for me in various ways in various corps One of which was the "high performer/low potential" bottom right box of the "nine box". The company I was with at the time seem to take that as a bad thing. And I'm like "this is my salt of the earth, does their job super well, doesn't want to be promoted to their level of incompetence person. I want 5 more of this exact type of person to do our day to day work, what the hell is wrong with you thinking this is a bad thing?" Then I remembered I was in a bay area startup.
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Xguard86 posted:Because one number looks worse on the P/L than the other number. Modern accounting has given everyone brain worms. I could never understand that about tooling, I mean yes logically I understand the concept but it’s taken to extremes. “200k hard tooling and in terms of order volume it’ll be paid off in ten years? Go for it”. “Let’s wait 10 months to replace a piece of equipment where the weekly weld repair fees exceed the cost of the machine over the course of 3 months.”
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2nding the advice of finding a mentor in your industry but not at your company, but in addition to a manager at your current place. Having someone you can talk to at your company is really useful. If you are at all challenged by the politics aspect (as I am), having someone who can talk informally about stuff is super useful. Years ago I had a great mentor (who later was my boss and was kind of a lovely boss) who did a great job telling me "don't spend time on that initiative, this other thing will get you more attention" etc. It was an accelerator for sure.Tnuctip posted:I’ve noticed that I’m letting my bitterness about my last company deep through a bit when talking in interviews. Nothing super egregious, but i am conscious of it after the fact. Anyone have tips for dealing with that mentally in those type of situations? Besides alcohol of course. Write a script for common questions ahead of time regarding the employer. It'll be way easier when you're not on the spot. A certain amount of negativity is ok, but think of it as a budget. It's ok to say "I am looking for a new job because my last employer did not have any advancement opportunities". That is a small bit that you can fit in your budget. But if you follow that up "Also the managers were jerks and they only hired idiots" then you've blown past your budget and starting to raise "potential toxic person" red flags.
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Last day of the current job is tomorrow, first day of the new job is next Tuesday. Now I'm going to spend all day panicking and stressed out, making sure I have all the info about my current benefits written down and tracked. Worrying about health insurance and other bullshit. I think if we somehow gently caress up health insurance for the new place, Cobra as a fallback has a 60 day backward grace period, right? So we can apply for Cobra later for a month if I gently caress anything up there? I'm unlikely to do so, but I haven't changed jobs in 10 years so anxiety is high here.
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Chainclaw posted:Last day of the current job is tomorrow, first day of the new job is next Tuesday. Now I'm going to spend all day panicking and stressed out, making sure I have all the info about my current benefits written down and tracked. Worrying about health insurance and other bullshit. Coverage often goes through the end of month, you might want to check that in whatever exit packet they give. And yes you can elect COBRA retroactively within 60 days of coverage ending. There's a potential that your new employer has a waiting period of up to 90 days.
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esquilax posted:Coverage often goes through the end of month, you might want to check that in whatever exit packet they give. And yes you can elect COBRA retroactively within 60 days of coverage ending. Health insurance was one of the biggest factors in the start date I chose. People don't like starting new hires weeks when a Monday is a holiday, but I wanted to start right before the end of the month to make sure I would have health insurance at the new employer setup correctly to start June 1st.
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It’s such bullshit that health insurance is tied to your job. I’m having similar anxiety because it’s my last day at job tomorrow and we want to sign up for health insurance through my judo job, but can’t technically do that until my last day is over. So we won’t be covered over the long weekend and I am stressed!
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remigious posted:It’s such bullshit that health insurance is tied to your job. I’m having similar anxiety because it’s my last day at job tomorrow and we want to sign up for health insurance through my judo job, but can’t technically do that until my last day is over. So we won’t be covered over the long weekend and I am stressed! Don't short gaps like that cause insurance to consider any ongoing prescriptions "pre-existing conditions" and stop covering them? That's part of why I was thinking of doubling up on insurance for one month via Cobra, the pre-existing condition stuff is such frustrating bullshit. You go one day without coverage and now you're paying full price for a medication for the rest of your life.
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Chainclaw posted:Don't short gaps like that cause insurance to consider any ongoing prescriptions "pre-existing conditions" and stop covering them? That's part of why I was thinking of doubling up on insurance for one month via Cobra, the pre-existing condition stuff is such frustrating bullshit. You go one day without coverage and now you're paying full price for a medication for the rest of your life. Not for the past decade (thanks Obama). And even before that, under HIPAA, it was just excluded for a limited period.
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esquilax posted:Not for the past decade (thanks Obama). And even before that, under HIPAA, it was just excluded for a limited period. Oh wow, that makes me much less anxious. That poo poo was such a potential nightmare in the past. One of the other things I'm worried about is what random rear end web portals for things I'll still have access to next week. I'm assuming they won't just cut access to the portal for my RSUs, but I'm still writing as much down as I can just in case.
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I need a sanity check from those with global corpo experience. Ive been scraping my way up the corporate ladder in operations for the last decade and finally established a team that works in a job that is mostly OK. Now I’m being pursued heavily internally to move to a non-management role in a different function in a small team dedicated and focused on changing the operating model of the Group. It will involve exposure and leading workshops with a lot of upper management. Is this as good an offer as it sounds or should I stay where I am and keep building within operations? I’m not used to thinking about a new job when I’m generally OK with what I’m currently doing.
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