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so I'm in Los Angeles and apparently our DSA chapter is doing GOTV (do you use the same term?) phonebanking of momentum members ahead of the election Would this be as weird for you as I anticipate it being for us?
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unbutthurtable posted:so I'm in Los Angeles and apparently our DSA chapter is doing GOTV (do you use the same term?) phonebanking of momentum members ahead of the election I imagine this will be just as successful as the Guardian's 2004 letter writing campaign to deliver Ohio for president Kerry.
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Dec 8, 2019 10:43
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I don’t know, I would think “oh god save yourselves, don’t turn into us!!” might have some appeal to it.
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Dec 8, 2019 11:00
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Selling at a loss or giving away valuable poo poo to private interests is osborneite tory economics and its very smart and serious and not at all radical
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Dec 8, 2019 11:00
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Communist Thoughts posted:Selling at a loss or giving away valuable poo poo to private interests is osborneite tory economics and its very smart and serious and not at all radical aurora neoliberalis https://twitter.com/ewan_oozami/status/1203432930204368896 another victory for the working class
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AnoHito posted:I don’t know, I would think “oh god save yourselves, don’t turn into us!!” might have some appeal to it. Yeah I think a lot of British people don't really know how American healthcare works. First hand accounts of like, suddenly being on the hook for 20,000 dollars because the ambulance took you to a hospital that isn't in your network so your insurance won't cover any of it, should scare some Brits into voting Labour
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Gripweed posted:Yeah I think a lot of British people don't really know how American healthcare works. First hand accounts of like, suddenly being on the hook for 20,000 dollars because the ambulance took you to a hospital that isn't in your network so your insurance won't cover any of it, should scare some Brits into voting Labour On the other hand, that makes the "gently caress scroungers, poors, and those darn immigrants (not expats, that's a special term for us) am I right" demographic horny as gently caress
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Dec 8, 2019 13:44
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I'm sure the British public will vote reasonably and responsibly!
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Falcorum posted:On the other hand, that makes the "gently caress scroungers, poors, and those darn immigrants (not expats, that's a special term for us) am I right" demographic horny as gently caress But even middle class or upper middle class people can get completely wiped out by medical bills. Like, having "good" health insurance in America is still an absolute loving nightmare
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Dec 8, 2019 13:47
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Gripweed posted:But even middle class or upper middle class people can get completely wiped out by medical bills. Like, having "good" health insurance in America is still an absolute loving nightmare It can't happen here Or it can but only to people who are not me Edit can't stress enough how an awful lot of people think like this. We're a deeply damaged nation
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Dec 8, 2019 13:52
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I've got to say, Brits, out of this ridiculous failure that is brexit you are now on the brink of snatching an epic win. You consider this election your internal business but if you elect Corbyn and he manages to pass through his plans this might just be the spark that will empower like-minded individuals all over the world. Go elect your absolute boy and don't come back until he is the prime minister
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Dec 8, 2019 13:58
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better things aren’t possible, the libs and melts are gonna throw their votes away and Bojo is gonna get a huge majority and then corbyn is going to be shitcanned and replaced by a centrist who in 2024 runs on a platform of restoring the NHS (by providing means tested refundable tax credits to families not on public assistance)
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Dec 8, 2019 14:23
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Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. Get over your britishness and get it done. Because than we get to put the assholes to the wall. They say everything is bad because of objective uncontrollable reasons, and than we get to say "no, you fuckers are the problem" and point to Britain with Corbyn as PM, who is so precious it almost brings tears to my eyes. How is this even remotely possible that a guy who is 20 years in poilitics and didn't turn into utter fucktard has actual change of becoming the queen of england?
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Dec 8, 2019 14:38
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I hate it when people in politics are fucktards.
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Gripweed posted:Yeah I think a lot of British people don't really know how American healthcare works. First hand accounts of like, suddenly being on the hook for 20,000 dollars because the ambulance took you to a hospital that isn't in your network so your insurance won't cover any of it, should scare some Brits into voting Labour my experience of trying to explain this to (oxbridge, libdemish) brits is a lot of "if i were american, i would simply choose not to be in crushing medical debt". like if you relate personal stories of this happening to you and people you know, they may go "oh that's terrible", but they mean you made some of dumb mistake and didnt understand the system, not getting that you can make the optimal decision in the system and still have your savings wiped out because of an afternoon in the ER
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Breakfast All Day posted:my experience of trying to explain this to (oxbridge, libdemish) brits is a lot of "if i were american, i would simply choose not to be in crushing medical debt". like if you relate personal stories of this happening to you and people you know, they may go "oh that's terrible", but they mean you made some of dumb mistake and didnt understand the system, not getting that you can make the optimal decision in the system and still have your savings wiped out because of an afternoon in the ER tbf earnestly believing this to be true is like a major pillar of being a liberal in the us too
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Dec 8, 2019 15:19
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I got a bit annoyed about having to pay £9 for anti-biotics when the hospital was giving me them for free. but then i remembered in America that would probably be like $500.
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Dec 8, 2019 16:39
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if you need a doctor visit to prescribe them then that’s about right
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:better things aren’t possible, the libs and melts are gonna throw their votes away and Bojo is gonna get a huge majority and then corbyn is going to be shitcanned and replaced by a centrist who in 2024 runs on a platform of restoring the NHS (by providing means tested refundable tax credits to families not on public assistance) Corbyn being replaced by a centrist seems very unlikely at least. That's why the biggest melts have left the party, or left parliament altogether. The new composition of the membership guarantees that even post-Corbyn the party will still be solidly left wing.
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Dec 8, 2019 17:35
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Gripweed posted:Yeah I think a lot of British people don't really know how American healthcare works. A lot of American people don't understand how American health care works. I know because I'm a silly Yank.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:07
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the American healthcare system is like an unstoppable rear end-loving machine where lube costs $1500
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Breakfast All Day posted:my experience of trying to explain this to (oxbridge, libdemish) brits is a lot of "if i were american, i would simply choose not to be in crushing medical debt". like if you relate personal stories of this happening to you and people you know, they may go "oh that's terrible", but they mean you made some of dumb mistake and didnt understand the system, not getting that you can make the optimal decision in the system and still have your savings wiped out because of an afternoon in the ER I once read that this was the attitude back when debtor's prisons were a thing, and sending them to Georgia was considered the 'humane' option. It wasn't until the South Seas bubble burst and a lot of middle class types were suddenly thrown in debtor's prisons that support for abolishing them became widespread.
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sullat posted:I once read that this was the attitude back when debtor's prisons were a thing, and sending them to Georgia was considered the 'humane' option. It wasn't until the South Seas bubble burst and a lot of middle class types were suddenly thrown in debtor's prisons that support for abolishing them became widespread. Which incidentally probably has something to do with increasing clamor in the US for public healthcare, our middle class slipping down the economic abyss and all.
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Bacon Taco posted:A lot of American people don't understand how American health care works. I know because I'm a silly Yank.
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Phobeste posted:tbf earnestly believing this to be true is like a major pillar of being a liberal in the us too "If we just improved people's financial literacy, they'd not be screwed over by capitalism anymore!"
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foobardog posted:"If we just improved people's financial literacy, they'd not be screwed over by capitalism anymore!"
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Bacon Taco posted:A lot of American people don't understand how American health care works. I know because I'm a silly Yank. Americans have a culture of avoiding seeing doctors until they literally can't. Why? Cause it's loving expensive, and you'll often times get into a battle with your doctor, your doctor's office, and your insurers over how much testing will be done, how much it'll cost you, and how much insurance will pay. People go to doctors and try and dodge tests, my sister's girlfriend told me recently about how she wasn't vigilant enough and the doctor looked up her nose and in her ears to diagnose something and that saddled her with a 400 dollar testing fee her insurance won't cover. The kicker was she was mad at herself and the doctors instead of insurance. So yeah I'm not surprised you don't have an in-depth understanding of how your insurance works, cause you're trying to never have to use it.
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foobardog posted:"If we just improved people's financial literacy, they'd not be screwed over by capitalism anymore!" https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/1203312744285560834
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crowd noise *outraged crowd noise* also love the facial reaction of the one to the left of him.
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for every politically engaged voter, there’s a geriatric in an old folks home with the daily mail where their brain should be reflexively voting blue
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Breakfast All Day posted:my experience of trying to explain this to (oxbridge, libdemish) brits is a lot of "if i were american, i would simply choose not to be in crushing medical debt". like if you relate personal stories of this happening to you and people you know, they may go "oh that's terrible", but they mean you made some of dumb mistake and didnt understand the system, not getting that you can make the optimal decision in the system and still have your savings wiped out because of an afternoon in the ER LOL forever at choosing american healthcare. You realize you can do all the research, call, email, mail and fax the providers and the insurer, and they still won't tell you the price of many things beforehand, or even months afterward sometimes. In effect they just make the numbers up, and then its your problem
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hey remember when Reddit said that the Kremlin was assisting Labour? 
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i don't think there are that many people here who think "yeah, the US system seems fine and I don't mind if the NHS goes" - that's just tilting at windmills. the contention is whether a post-brexit US trade deal will materially harm the NHS, or whether you accept Johnson's assurance that it won't. as with all brexit-related discussions, it's nearly impossible to make headway, due to a popular refusal to believe that there will be as many trade-offs and compromises after brexit as there are within the EU. see also: https://www.theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296
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Heavy_D posted:i don't think there are that many people here who think "yeah, the US system seems fine and I don't mind if the NHS goes" - that's just tilting at windmills. the contention is whether a post-brexit US trade deal will materially harm the NHS, or whether you accept Johnson's assurance that it won't. as with all brexit-related discussions, it's nearly impossible to make headway, due to a popular refusal to believe that there will be as many trade-offs and compromises after brexit as there are within the EU. see also: https://www.theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296 uhh what assurances would one trust exactly, he's been proven time and time again to go back on any that he's made (or pretended to make) plus I don't even think it's the fault of the US necessarily*, Boris has been clamouring to privatise the NHS for ages https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/1201545913300373505 *much less EU, however that would work with member countries generally having universal healthcare Private Speech has issued a correction as of 21:50 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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Private Speech posted:uhh what assurances would one trust exactly, he's been proven time and time again to go back on any that he's made (or pretended to make) to be clear, i don't trust him on this issue, but around 30% of the country does, and 25% more are unsure https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nhs-us-trump-trade-deal-brexit-poll-a9173761.html
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https://twitter.com/belindadelucy/status/1203223120951365632 Oh no, not a “wealth exodus!”
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Morter posted:crowd noise This is my constituency! That's our Comms officer who took the footage as well. The Tory candidate really doesn't seem like he knows what's he doing at all, we've had a bunch of people say the were going to vote Tory but spoke to him and he put them off lol
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You guys excited to gently caress a lot and have a bunch of kids after the brexit? If every conservative politician everywhere is actually a weird sex pervert, then i guess boris johnson's thing is getting other people to gently caress? quote:Claim: Boris Johnson has suggested that Brexit is going to bring such optimism and joy to the country there will be a baby boom, and claimed that it will parallel a previous rise in births after the 2012 Olympics.
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weird how vote blue no matter who seems to have the same result over there as it has in the US
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Heavy_D posted:to be clear, i don't trust him on this issue, but around 30% of the country does, and 25% more are unsure You could probably get similar numbers for people trusting Donald Trump to take care of immigrant wellbeing tho And more importantly it's significantly less than how the Tories poll in general, meaning it's an effective attack as at least some Tory voters don't believe his claims.
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