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Uh no everyone's lives turned out better because he stopped them from getting killed not because he wasn't there
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Kytrarewn posted:Well, yeah... Probably before or right when he saw Kayo and started bawling. But who is in on the trap in that case? He went to great lengths to keep anyone from knowing about his restored memories, so he didn't get shanked in the dead of night. And let's not forget that suspicious phone call his doctor made right when Satoru woke up... it's possible that more people are involved in this than we think, on his side, as well. They could come up with any manner of political scandal to explain why Nishizono wanted him out of the picture. Even if Kenya and Reporter know the truth, it's an open question how well they'd be able to subdue a killer, given their professions (Lawyer and Retired 600 pound reporter) and builds. They conveniently skipped the whole conversation with Satoru, Kenya, and the photographer, so I'm 100% sure we're going to flash back to it next week to explain the Bigger Plan.
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Mar 18, 2016 08:36
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vibratingsheep posted:They conveniently skipped the whole conversation with Satoru, Kenya, and the photographer, so I'm 100% sure we're going to flash back to it next week to explain the Bigger Plan. So unless there's been another translation error, they said that since they've already waited 15 years, they can wait a little more. I originally took that to mean that they'd talked to Satoru and he couldn't remember anything, but now that seems like it supports this theory.
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Mar 18, 2016 08:58
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Sakurazuka posted:Uh no everyone's lives turned out better because he stopped them from getting killed not because he wasn't there Well.. yes, I put that poorly, but you know what I meant... it would be altogether too easy for someone to convince themselves that nothing they could have done, had they not been in a coma for 15 years could have improved the outcome. On another note, since nobody has mentioned it, yet: Episode 1:  Episode 11: "Welcome to 2003". Between that Garmin and the reporter's 27" flatscreen monitor, Timelines A and B are pretty clearly set in the present. We're still 10-12 years before the poo poo hit the fans in Timelines A and B. Thus, for example, Airi is currently 5-7 years of age, rather than 17. I'm not sure what significance it has, if any, but I found it interesting.
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Mar 18, 2016 09:31
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I am happy that Kayo and Hiromi are happy.
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Mar 18, 2016 12:51
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It not exactly how I wanted her to be happy but same
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Mar 18, 2016 12:54
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Kytrarewn posted:"Welcome to 2003". Between that Garmin and the reporter's 27" flatscreen monitor, Timelines A and B are pretty clearly set in the present. We're still 10-12 years before the poo poo hit the fans in Timelines A and B. Thus, for example, Airi is currently 5-7 years of age, rather than 17. The original "present" timeline was 2006, not 2016. (Why are we spoilering this?)
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Mar 18, 2016 13:08
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I noticed no one's eyes are blanked out in the OP any more. Nor did anyone have red eyes this episode. Is this actually the first time that has happened?
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Mar 18, 2016 14:12
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Ep. 11 I like that, now that he's grown up but loses memory, his outside voice and inside voice switched.
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Mar 18, 2016 14:23
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I'd think the teacher's motivation for the murders is purely the thrill of it all, and with that, perhaps preventing Satoru's death was to actually get himself an enemy of sorts. He might hope to continually prevent Satoru from revealing/proving his evil and get a thrill from that too.
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Mar 18, 2016 14:31
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nielsm posted:I'd think the teacher's motivation for the murders is purely the thrill of it all, and with that, perhaps preventing Satoru's death was to actually get himself an enemy of sorts. He might hope to continually prevent Satoru from revealing/proving his evil and get a thrill from that too. It fits with his opening monologue, where he kept as a pet the gerbil he failed to kill.
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Mar 18, 2016 21:55
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I see it more like being impressed at that one gerbil that manged to survive against all odds. Thus not going after Satoru to finish off the job and instead observing him like a pet and seeing what actions he'll take when he wakes up. Also, I think it's perfectly fitting that Kayo and Hiromi end up together. Both weren't even supposed to exist as adults and for them to bring new life in to the world really shows the significance of the timeline change.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:29
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Futaba Anzu posted:after watching this episode go back and watch the first episode and the episode where airi leaves the pizza store to bring food to satoru. pay attention to that scene and the scene in the first where mom is calling the guy from ep 1: https://a.pomf.cat/kiawca.webm from ep 5: https://a.pomf.cat/bcmbri.webm
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Mar 19, 2016 07:47
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im not sure what im supposed to be seeing tbh
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Mar 19, 2016 07:49
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Cake Attack posted:im not sure what im supposed to be seeing tbh Look above their heads.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:50
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oh poo poo!
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Mar 19, 2016 07:51
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nielsm posted:Look above their heads. Fuuuuuuck
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Mar 19, 2016 08:02
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Dammit, that's some fine pre-planning!
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Mar 19, 2016 08:05
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One other thing I noticed from the changed OT is that the end appears to be a few seconds of someone being shoved off a roof from 1st person perspective. Let's see if this comes true next week.
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Mar 19, 2016 11:24
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nielsm posted:Look above their heads. Ohhhhhhh what the fuuuuuuuuck 
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Mar 19, 2016 13:17
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Is anyone familiar with the spider tale he's talking about? I don't really understand what the thread is supposed to symbolize for his victims in terms of his motivation for killing them. Is he trying to send them to heaven? Or is it all just crazy nonsense?
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Mar 19, 2016 13:52
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There's actually an anime version of The Spiders Thread in the Blue Literature (Aoi Bungaku) TV series, I can't remember which episode though. It doesn't really make sense, in the original he's given a thread of hope because even though he's a horrible person he did one small good deed before he died but in the end the weight of all his other sins drag him down. I don't really see how that applies to the victims in this and is mostly just serial killer craziness I guess.
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Mar 19, 2016 13:58
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Sakurazuka posted:There's actually an anime version of The Spiders Thread in the Blue Literature (Aoi Bungaku) TV series, I can't remember which episode though. So if the spider's thread symbolizes a path to redemption, then it seems as though he believes killing these people is a good deed? Maybe he imagines that he is sparing his victims the pain of isolation or something along those lines. But at the same time that has nothing to do with his desire to watch the ones who struggle to survive (i.e. the hamster).
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Mar 19, 2016 14:00
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If I remember correctly the story was from the perspective of the savior moreso than the sinner. In this case I think it's just along the lines of him feeling omnipotent than what Kayo/Airi/Mom did or didn't do.
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Mar 19, 2016 14:10
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Sakurazuka posted:There's actually an anime version of The Spiders Thread in the Blue Literature (Aoi Bungaku) TV series, I can't remember which episode though. Basically, he seems to like victims who live rough lives/are in perilous circumstances but have a small shot at redemption. He's their fellow criminal dragging them down, as he sees it. I don't think it's out of malice or envy, per se - he just finds it fascinating when people are pushed to their limits, whether they succeed or fail.
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Mar 19, 2016 14:42
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the manga devoted an entire chapter to Gaku's backstory between him trapping Satoru in the car and the jump to 2003 where Satoru is in a coma. basically Gaku had an older brother who was violent, and when his parents gave up on him he was physically abusive towards Gaku. after entering middle school, he recruits Gaku to lure girls to their storehouse so he can rape them, which is where Gaku starts learning how to pick victims (loner girls etc). the stuff with Spice and him reading The Spider's Thread come after, and his brother accidentally killing one of the girls is what first triggers him seeing the thread (over his brother's head). there's not much significance to it as far as i can tell, it's mostly used as a cool visual thing to represent him killing characters in the flashback (his brother, his wife) they skipped. he even sees a thread coming from his own head in a mirror and seems entertained by it.
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Mar 19, 2016 18:39
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nielsm posted:Look above their heads. Holy poo poo.
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Mar 19, 2016 20:08
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nielsm posted:Look above their heads. that's loving amazing
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Mar 19, 2016 20:10
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It seems like there's a Boku Dake movie that's out now in theaters in Japan. I wonder how that movie is.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:02
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dogsicle posted:the manga devoted an entire chapter to Gaku's backstory between him trapping Satoru in the car and the jump to 2003 where Satoru is in a coma. basically Gaku had an older brother who was violent, and when his parents gave up on him he was physically abusive towards Gaku. after entering middle school, he recruits Gaku to lure girls to their storehouse so he can rape them, which is where Gaku starts learning how to pick victims (loner girls etc). the stuff with Spice and him reading The Spider's Thread come after, and his brother accidentally killing one of the girls is what first triggers him seeing the thread (over his brother's head). Probably a smart thing to edit out. Not really necessary to the plot, and I never liked the armchair psychology people try to do for villains like this. The hamster story was a lot more poignant.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:03
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Pavlov posted:Probably a smart thing to edit out. Not really necessary to the plot, and I never liked the armchair psychology people try to do for villains like this. The hamster story was a lot more poignant. i think it was interesting how it established his MO, but yeah it's unnecessary to know anything about Gaku and the backstory obviously doesn't go deep enough to be relevant beyond Spice. there's supposed to be a short spin-off manga focusing on him though.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:08
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The thing about tragic backstories like that is they tend to always resolve the question of, "why is this person so awful" with, "an even more awful person was awful to them!" which really just passes the buck on the origin of that kind of thing.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:23
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Pavlov posted:The thing about tragic backstories like that is they tend to always resolve the question of, "why is this person so awful" with, "an even more awful person was awful to them!" which really just passes the buck on the origin of that kind of thing. They kinda already did that with Kayo's mom.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:26
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I forgot about that. I think I forgave the show for that because the kids thought it was as melodramatic as I did.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:31
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Strange Quark posted:They kinda already did that with Kayo's mom. Cycles of abuse do happen that way, so the depiction of Kayo's mom made sense IMO.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:31
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Strange Quark posted:They kinda already did that with Kayo's mom. That scene wasn't good, the rest of the episode was great tho.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:29
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The Devil Tesla posted:That scene wasn't good, the rest of the episode was great tho. Maybe it was the anime compressing material, but her grandmother being brought in to explain the whole backstory did seem to come a bit out of left field.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:32
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I really liked the symbolism of a cage when they were talking about the cycle of violence.
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That is a very cool turn and I like the flipping of the internal voice.
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