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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:okay but this isnt an argument against existing things that allow movement of labor sure it is, why defend loving around with all this bullshit paperwork if you're actually sincere on any level
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Buccaneer posted:http://www.newsweek.com/h-1b-visa-row-foreign-workers-make-more-half-silicon-valleys-tech-industry-784272 Silicon Valley is filled with evil assholes and rapist techbros, so...
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Silicon Valley is filled with evil assholes and rapist techbros, so... well yeah, unwantedly touching bob and vegene is illegal
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He'll yeah, the threads back!
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"They took our jerbs." -GBS
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A_Bug_That_Thinks posted:"They took our jerbs." Lol https://nypost.com/2018/01/18/someone-is-attacking-google-and-apples-shuttle-buses/ quote:Charter buses shuttling Google and Apple employees to and from work on a local highway have had windows shattered in the last week after they were hit with an unknown projectile.
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as it turns out, the apple shuttles were targeted by google, and the google shuttle was targeted by apple. the megacorp wars have begun...
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It was one of the trump lovers from here trying to liberate them from indentured servitude
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Run Santosh! You're free, you're free!
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The White Dragon posted:as it turns out, the apple shuttles were targeted by google, and the google shuttle was targeted by apple. the megacorp wars have begun... By 2025, all devices will run on tacoBellOS.
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so what are the programming jobs these indian workers are taking? I don't exactly believe that they're capable in anything more than visual basic as non-english learners
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so instead of having these workers come here, live here, pay for rent and food and put money in to the local economy, we ban hb 1 visas and instead all this visual basic work gets shipped abroad where the local economy receives none of the benefit?
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Magius1337est posted:so instead of having these workers come here, live here, pay for rent and food and put money in to the local economy, we ban hb 1 visas and instead all this visual basic work gets shipped abroad where the local economy receives none of the benefit? Or you hire other people in the US and funnel slightly less money to the board. Anyways, ideally the H1B Visas will still be issued, they just won't be utterly dominated by tech workers due to an inherent advantage over every other occupation built into the system allowing a couple companies to flood it with fast tracked applications. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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Warbadger posted:Or you hire other people in the US and funnel slightly less money to the board. Anyways, ideally the H1B Visas will still be issued, they just won't be utterly dominated by tech workers due to an inherent advantage over every other occupation built into the system allowing a couple companies to flood it with fast tracked applications. you seriously expect me to pay $100k for visual basic work?
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Magius1337est posted:you seriously expect me to pay $100k for visual basic work? If it's not making you a profit, then it seems your business model is unsustainable
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:If it's not making you a profit, then it seems your business model is unsustainable Why am I paying you so much for what some third worlder with a highschool education can do?
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If you want to hire the third worlder you can go live in the third world. Goodbye and godspeed on your journey, dear friend.
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Soup du Journey posted:If you want to hire the third worlder you can go live in the third world. Goodbye and godspeed on your journey, dear friend. congratulations the firm outsourced and now all jobs are done abroad and no money is coming into the local economy
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Magius1337est posted:congratulations the firm outsourced and now all jobs are done abroad and no money is coming into the local economy I guess someone else will have to fill that vacuum with a more sustainable business model
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Seize the firm's assets. Nationalize the tech sector and guillotine the executives. Even the one just in charge of paperclips.
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I have a budget, so please explain to me why I should pay you $100k for visual basic work. Are you telling me your coding is at least 20% better than an indian who would work for 80k? or are you just coasting on the fact that people "didn't know computers" in the 90s and now you're having to face actual competition now that other countries and people have caught up educationally?
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Magius1337est posted:I have a budget, so please explain to me why I should pay you $100k for visual basic work. Are you telling me your coding is at least 20% better than an indian who would work for 80k? or are you just coasting on the fact that people "didn't know computers" in the 90s and now you're having to face actual competition now that other countries and people have caught up educationally? You're making well over 20 percent more profit in the local market than you would in India so suck it up bitch
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maybe your coding skills aren't as valuable anymore since some guy in india can do it? maybe you should learn a real programming language?
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Why do you keep saying "you" here? And nah, maybe you should sell your products for Indian prices if you don't want to invest in your local economy
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Why do you keep saying "you" here? That sounds like dangerously nationalistic talk there, adolf
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:That sounds like dangerously nationalistic talk there, adolf Nah, just calling out the usual trend of corporations to socialize losses and privatize gains
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Nah, just calling out the usual trend of corporations to socialize losses and privatize gains That's not what your example is about at all though? There's no losses involved, only the fact that an indian worker is willing to do the exact same work for less money but you're insisting that businesses hire the local (probably white) guy because of "reasons" aka racism and nationalism.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:That's not what your example is about at all though? There's no losses involved, only the fact that an indian worker is willing to do the exact same work for less money but you're insisting that businesses hire the local (probably white) guy because of "reasons" aka racism and nationalism. The reasons are to boost people in the location you're selling primarily in. They are passing a loss on to the local economy so they can pocket some extra profit
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:The reasons are to boost people in the location you're selling primarily in. What loss? There's no loss involved here, that's not what "loss" means All you're saying is that you'd rather money go to one country versus another where it's actually doing more good purely because of nationalism.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:What loss? There's no loss involved here, that's not what "loss" means No, i want money to go to people instead of corporations. That extra money isn't serving the local economy at all
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:No, i want money to go to people instead of corporations. That extra money isn't serving the local economy at all Oh so now indians aren't people??
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Oh so now indians aren't people?? First off, American nationals do in fact take jobs for less than 100k. That is so far above the average wage it's absurd and in most areas that would make you effectively rich. If the skillset is easy, then it should be no problem finding people or *gasp* training people to do it. Find some second generation immigrants to do the work, maybe, so they can also enjoy prosperity. Second, yeah, the immigrant worker population in any given country does tend to send significantly more money out of the local and national economy than the norm to support family, invest in opportunities overseas, or by returning home. Third, this is US Government policy. The US government is meant to look out for the interests of its citizens, including creating conditions in which they can find a decent job without competing with the entire planet to drive down the wage. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Oh so now indians aren't people?? That's not what i am talking about stupid, I'm talking about the extra X dollars the corporation is saving by circumventing the local market value. If corporations want to pay tbe market value of a local programmer to someone in India, that's totally different. But they don't want that. They want to abuse this program to pay less and put people in their own local economy out of work
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So why aren't there a bunch of people coming in to take $80,000?
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i'm not sorry you will never be a captain of industry magius
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Magius1337est posted:So why aren't there a bunch of people coming in to take $80,000? Really lovely work conditions with no benefits. Like the h1bs/visa's I was dealing with we're getting paid less and were working 10 hour shifts/ 6 days a week during crunch time. I was able to tell the company (subbing to them) asking me to do that to shove it and got overtime for every hour over 40.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:That's not what i am talking about stupid, I'm talking about the extra X dollars the corporation is saving by circumventing the local market value. It's a global market now, gramps, get with the program. Only a fascistic, atavistic nationalist afraid of the "globalists" would disagree
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I'm working sixty hours a week and making 80,000 dollars 
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A_Bug_That_Thinks posted:I'm working sixty hours a week and making 80,000 dollars haha owned
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Don't you understand? I'm a coder
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