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Daruna
Jul 3, 2011

Venom Snake posted:

What does it have to do with then. Because right now if we used our super fleet to stop PL from reinforcing all our poo poo we would get dogpiled by literally the entire game and die.

you have had multiple opportunities to stand and fight and try to stop the bleeding since vale and you've decided to "weaponize boredom" which is an ancient (by eve standards) mentality with aegis sov.

your leaders were behind the metagame this time, not surprising since all of your talent that would have had the critical thinking ability to figure this out has gotten fed up with the institution and left. right now you have laz, who is good at being important in 2013, and vee, who is out doing sex.

supercapitals have zero bearing on this war at this time.

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

froody guy posted:

Like, how about : there's a ratting PH's Revenant in YA0 right now? :ughh:

PH has a Revenant?

Edit - But for real, that was pretty funny when he went off for an hour after saying "OK, I'm just gonna go rat" and then posted the video in fleet. We thought he went to go rat on an alt somewhere.

Bonfire Lit
Jul 9, 2008

If you're one of the sinners who caused this please unfriend me now.

GreenBuckanneer posted:

Today is fireside chat right?

more like firesale chat

Daruna
Jul 3, 2011

Zasze posted:

Im in bos :v:

i'm sorry then :smith:

nessin
Feb 7, 2010

dragonstalking posted:

The place is a ghost town, that ADM talk is all bullshit.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Deklein/8S28-3#adm
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Deklein/8S28-3#npc24


LemonDrizzle posted:

Don't ADM rates decay fairly quickly if you're not actively maintaining them? Are there really going to be lots of ratters running around Deklein working on keeping the indices up once the attackers start seriously going to work on the region?

Yeah, but there are still a lot of people up in Dek trying to rat and mine. Not sure why with how hot it is, but if you're looking for some kills you can get plenty of them up there.

Blawrf
Oct 10, 2009

Hi, I'm Blawrf, and you can dock in my station anytime~~

Rowwr

Daruna posted:

you have had multiple opportunities to stand and fight and try to stop the bleeding since vale and you've decided to "weaponize boredom" which is an ancient (by eve standards) mentality with aegis sov.

your leaders were behind the metagame this time, not surprising since all of your talent that would have had the critical thinking ability to figure this out has gotten fed up with the institution and left. right now you have laz, who is good at being important in 2013, and vee, who is out doing sex.

supercapitals have zero bearing on this war at this time.

problem with "weaponised boredom" is that it doesn't work if people have as much fun fighting you as they do tearing down everything you've ever built and stamping on it

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

Despera posted:

Still waiting for the counter-narrative

Then do I have a fireside chat for you!

Daruna
Jul 3, 2011
http://i.imgur.com/f4I9dDE.jpg

:2bong: :350:

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
So the counter narrative is if we stood and fought we could all won?

Daruna
Jul 3, 2011

Despera posted:

So the counter narrative is if we stood and fought we could all won?

any resistance at all naturally slows the bulldozer more than absolutely no resistance, who loving knows there could be a parallel universe out there where you don't all act like cowards and actually turn this around

that's (un)fortunately not this universe though

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

Daruna posted:

any resistance at all naturally slows the bulldozer more than absolutely no resistance, who loving knows there could be a parallel universe out there where you don't all act like cowards and actually turn this around

that's (un)fortunately not this universe though

Nah depriving you of sweet dunks gets salt posts like this. Woulda lost sov anyway.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Xolve posted:

"lots of subcaps" can kill supers, just saying.

We almost killed a hel and yall dropped in an entire super fleet to save it.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Has "they'll get bored of winning" ever actually worked.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011

Best Friends posted:

Has "they'll get bored of winning" ever actually worked.

yes, repeatedly

it was just when it took weeks/months to roll up a region, and it didn't work here because you can readily flip a couple dozen systems a night in fozziesov

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus

Daruna posted:

any resistance at all naturally slows the bulldozer more than absolutely no resistance, who loving knows there could be a parallel universe out there where you don't all act like cowards and actually turn this around

that's (un)fortunately not this universe though

The problem being that we fed the bulldozer a few hundred Machariels to the rest of eve brought their bulldozers as well.


Weaponized boredom and endless fleets of Megathrons might have worked from the start but now it's self-sufficient.

Altran
Mar 20, 2013

Kimsemus posted:

Shadow Cartel :sun:


:frogout:

that's quite a stretch, were you ever in goons? I am very curious how you guys generate isk, with l5?

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Best Friends posted:

Has "they'll get bored of winning" ever actually worked.

Every single capital fight so far, I was off taking a nap and missed out.

So sorta.

Acres of Quakers
May 6, 2006

Blawrf posted:

problem with "weaponised boredom" is that it doesn't work if people have as much fun fighting you as they do tearing down everything you've ever built and stamping on it

Not to mention this is the only opportunity to actually have some fun on demand playing this horrible game. For the last two years I'd process reimbursement requests while afk ratting and hoping a non-interceptor gang would come to Dek. Winning would be better, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to fleet up and do something before we all have to quit.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Best Friends posted:

Has "they'll get bored of winning" ever actually worked.

I assume you don't know about stain russians

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Magres posted:

yes, repeatedly

it was just when it took weeks/months to roll up a region, and it didn't work here because you can readily flip a couple dozen systems a night in fozziesov

cite your sources.

Venom Snake posted:

I assume you don't know about stain russians

Yeah... let's adopt non-sov holding entities strategies for defending sov space.

What's the worst that could happen, oh- right. This.

Venom Snake posted:

We almost killed a hel and yall dropped in an entire super fleet to save it.

This side doesn't like to not take a fight.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Altran posted:

that's quite a stretch, were you ever in goons? I am very curious how you guys generate isk, with l5?

Yes, I was. And mostly from L5s, R64s, poco empire, etc. Like any other alliance. Lowsec is more profitable than null now in almost every way, which is sort of sad when you think about it.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Xolve posted:

Yeah... let's adopt non-sov holding entities strategies for defending sov space.

What's the worst that could happen, oh- right. This.

The cycle evict russians -> hold space for 3 months -> get evicted by russians has been repeated so many times. Stainwagon is currently holding sov right now.

dragonstalking
Oct 6, 2013

by Shine

Venom Snake posted:

We almost killed a hel and yall dropped in an entire super fleet to save it.

Thanks for the feed.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
If you want "goodfights" dropping everyone in the galaxy should a fight occur, isn't the way to do it.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011

Xolve posted:

cite your sources.

I mean, isn't that pretty much exactly what's happened? In ye olden days it took weeks on end to grind enough structures to flip a region, and in fozziesov you guys have flipped or will have flipped 3-4 regions over the span of a couple of weeks.

Like legitimately correct me if I'm wrong, that is my impression of what has been going on in Eve and if I've got it all wrong I'd rather know.

Daruna
Jul 3, 2011

Despera posted:

Nah depriving you of sweet dunks gets salt posts like this. Woulda lost sov anyway.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/53191777/

https://zkillboard.com/kill/53179016/

https://zkillboard.com/kill/53160154/

https://zkillboard.com/kill/53173268/

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=1978&b=6979615&e=90&t=bfeve


You keep using that argument, I don't think you really know what it means :rolleyes:

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Despera posted:

If you want "goodfights" dropping everyone in the galaxy should a fight occur, isn't the way to do it.

goodfights have always been a myth, you bring enough dudes to gently caress, or you don't show at all.

Daruna
Jul 3, 2011

Zephyrine posted:

The problem being that we fed the bulldozer a few hundred Machariels to the rest of eve brought their bulldozers as well.


Weaponized boredom and endless fleets of Megathrons might have worked from the start but now it's self-sufficient.

Yes this is why this problem of yours has been months in the making, this isn't anything new there have been warning signs that your esteemed leaders have ignored for ages now.

ron paul meme you could have listened etc

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

drat you killed an anshar. Sweet dunk dude. That's what they call Thursday in miniluv.

dragonstalking
Oct 6, 2013

by Shine

Despera posted:

If you want "goodfights" dropping everyone in the galaxy should a fight occur, isn't the way to do it.

I don't want goodfights, i just want some frags yo.

Stealthgerbil
Dec 16, 2004


Ehh I stopped playing when we became the imperium and became exactly what we would have mocked years ago. It was some lame pubbie sounding poo poo which makes sense because thats what the leaders are now. I would only really resub to get my JF and rorqual out of goon space.

Daruna
Jul 3, 2011

Despera posted:

drat you killed an anshar. Sweet dunk dude. That's what they call Thursday in miniluv.

ah yes the classic "you aren't winning fast enough"

I gotta say it's pretty drat funny seeing the cfc pull these out with a straight face

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

Stealthgerbil posted:

Ehh I stopped playing when we became the imperium and became exactly what we would have mocked years ago. It was some lame pubbie sounding poo poo which makes sense because thats what the leaders are now. I would only really resub to get my JF and rorqual out of goon space.

the imperium is the pubbiest poo poo ever and seems to exist only so mittani can market his website to SOE or whoever will give him money

like running kickstarters and "gaming journalism" websites is super pubbie and I'm sure the goons of yesteryear would've had a lot of fun making GBS threads all over them

Daruna
Jul 3, 2011

Despera posted:

drat you killed an anshar. Sweet dunk dude. That's what they call Thursday in miniluv.

also the point of the anshar killmail is that it's a gang of 25 tornados sitting on the undock of a (formerly) major coalition unmolested and collecting free dank killmails

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Magres posted:

I mean, isn't that pretty much exactly what's happened? In ye olden days it took weeks on end to grind enough structures to flip a region, and in fozziesov you guys have flipped or will have flipped 3-4 regions over the span of a couple of weeks.

Like legitimately correct me if I'm wrong, that is my impression of what has been going on in Eve and if I've got it all wrong I'd rather know.

The Imperium's unwillingness to contest timers and/or fight isn't an indictment of FozzieSov, it's an indictment of your leadership.

Stop shifting blame away from Sion/Mittens. Before the morale was broken and the 'we're going to bore them to death' speeches went out, there was a very real chance to stem the tide and maybe lose a region with intense fighting in another until Alliance Tournament practice started, but now, every carrion bird North to South is feasting on the dying corpse of the Imperium, and it's nobodies fault but their own. Nobody is getting bored, nobody is going home- I don't know where you fall exactly in terms of fence sides- but, exiling an alliance to Outer Ring is a pretty huge morale boost. CO2 flipping sides, the forum porn, the fireside chats, it's all hilarious from the other side.

Not really trying to spin anything, this is pretty much what 'we' see, and to us it's hilarious. They can clutch onto logs that fell out of the sky that aren't really damning while huffing farts about SUAS eating a 7 day ban all they want, this conflict for everyone not in the Imperium is probably the most fun most of us have had in years. I know the horn of goondor didn't really have the effect they wanted, but I'm talking to people I haven't seen in years, and having been a PL dude for 2 years (and then out of the game for 2 more years), I finally get the chance to fly with Shadoo (and no doubt get yelled at for my rusty skillset) and other people I've only had the pleasure of shooting.

Xolve fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Apr 10, 2016

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
spamming the word pubbie makes you look like a retard, thanks and goonbless

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
So...

Anyone want to firesale me your super? I really want one but am poor :(

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

Venom Snake posted:

spamming the word pubbie makes you look like a retard, thanks and goonbless

y'all seem to get pretty mad (or triggered) whenever you see the word pubbie? Does it bring up issues you don't want to face

Unfunny Poster posted:

So...

Anyone want to firesale me your super? I really want one but am poor :(

am also looking for a nyx, tia

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

Daruna posted:

also the point of the anshar killmail is that it's a gang of 25 tornados sitting on the undock of a (formerly) major coalition unmolested and collecting free dank killmails

Believe it or not it's hard to keep a safe unlock in low sec when the entire galaxy is at war with you. You wan t to argue that's a bad loss given the circumstances go ahead.

And between the gay pubbie name and the retard Kickstarter I wanted to quit too.

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Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

Xolve posted:

The Imperium's unwillingness to contest timers and/or fight isn't an indictment of FozzieSov, it's an indictment of your leadership.

Stop shifting blame away from Sion/Mittens. Before the morale was broken and the 'we're going to bore them to death' speeches went out, there was a very real chance to stem the tide and maybe lose a region with intense fighting in another until Alliance Tournament practice started, but now, every carrion bird North to South is feasting on the dying corpse of the Imperium, and it's nobodies fault but their own. Nobody is getting bored, nobody is going home- I don't know where you fall exactly in terms of fence sides- but, exiling an alliance to Outer Ring is a pretty huge morale boost. CO2 flipping sides, the forum porn, the fireside chats, it's all hilarious from the other side.

Not really trying to spin anything, this is pretty much what 'we' see, and to us it's hilarious. They can clutch onto logs that fell out of the sky that aren't really damning while huffing farts about SUAS eating a 7 day ban all they want, this conflict for everyone not in the Imperium is probably the most fun most of us have had in years. I know the horn of goondor didn't really have the effect they wanted, but I'm talking to people I haven't seen in years, and having been a PL dude for 2 years (and then out of the game for 2 more years), I finally get the chance to fly with Shadoo (and no doubt get yelled at for my rusty skillset) and other people I've only had the pleasure of shooting.

lol thanks for the edit

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