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Kemper Boyd posted:Finland managed to retain shipbuilding capabilities through specialization (last I heard of it, there's only two spots in the world capable of building those gigantic cruise liners that RCC runs, Finland and South Korea) and we're currently replacing seven beat-to-poo poo navy vessels with four new corvettes/frigates/whatever they're going to call them. Love the 1993 video game cutscene ship pasted into a real photo. It's the uncanny valley of promo-shots.
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Fender Anarchist posted:i trust in nothing these days Especially the Senate race. Judge Doom vs the human equivalent of the color beige.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Man the ballot was pretty loving depressing this year. I hate the Harris County (Houston) ballot every time. There were something like 75-80 races on there this year - the obvious ones are easy (governor, attorney general, senator), but holy poo poo I don't know anything about the incumbent or nominee Family District Judge, 315th Judicial District and I'm not about to figure out who to vote for in that many races.
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More on that sinking drydock: Reuters has a picture of the sunken dock; reports say the little bits sticking up have vanished. as it sank down a underwater slope. Reuters confirms that the flight deck has been for the most part taken up, so the crane likely fell on---whatever was beneath. https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1057269733546975232/video/1 Also, according to the tweet above, both cranes collapsed, so the Kuznetsov might've taken two hits? The drive [tyler Rogoway, usual caution and warnings] is reporting the dry dock has been owned the past few years by a Russian oil company, which was planning to use it in Arctic oil exploitation. Naturally the Russian Government has opened a criminal investigation, saying that safety standards (and lol likely maintenance standards) were violated, and that the oil company will have to pay for the damage to the Kuznetsov. This, obviously, could just be cover lies, though I kinda suspect that cover lies might go all PINK ALERT!! AMERICAN SABOTAGE BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF CARRIER, COWARDLY HOMOSEXUAL CYBER ATTACK at some point. A referenced Russian newspaper clipping in the previous link. The drydock had a fun adventure previously - a Delta IV boomer caught fire during an inspection/repair; somehow, this ship split the fiberglass cover on its sonar faring. Because this was hoped to be a quick inspection/repair, its conventional and nuclear munitions were not removed. Initial inspection discovered some damage to the sonar array, so the outer hull was cut open.  So, the welders get in there, and well, you know how it goes, especially when you use wood structures instead of metal ones:  That photo is about 15 minutes in. The good news for the submarine is that this fire is between the outer and pressure hull. The bad news is that it took - quite some time to extinguish. The fire naturally spread in the inaccessible spaces between the outer and inner hull - which is just filled with things (batteries, torpedoes, compressed gasses, atomic reactors, nuclear missiles fueled with hydrazine and red fuming nitric acid) that fire should not persist by. The article says they had to unload all the torpedoes **by hand** because the hydraulic system that usually does that is down, no idea if that's plausible or not. The fire continued burning out of control most of the night, and in desperation the dry dock first slightly, and then considerably, dove to flood the Delta IV's spaces. By next morning the fire was under control, thanks to the arrival of a specially trained firefighting unit from Moscow, which apparently specializes in fighting fires when nuclear material could be involved. They kept soaking the sub until 6 pm that night, just to dissipate the heat. The inner pressure hull might have taken some damage thanks to the heat exposure; the temperature in the torpedo room was around 60-80 degrees C at one point.. No idea if the sub was repaired and returned to service. Barents Observer confirms the sub caught fire with a full load of munitions onboard
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FrozenVent posted:Most of the shipbuilding these days is happening in China, Korea and Japan for labor cost reasons Uhh notoriously low cost labour country Japan?
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Man the ballot was pretty loving depressing this year. Given the state of the nation I’m thinking we could use more dull neutral politicians. Beige is good.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:If Russia doesn't have the best nuclear firefighters then they definitely have the most experienced. I don’t know about that, they seem to be rather single-use.
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Murgos posted:Given the state of the nation I’m thinking we could use more dull neutral politicians. Beige is good. Friendly reminder to keep current politics out of here. D&D and CSPAM are thatway 
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Apparently, the USAF is flying the last F-22s out of Tyndall this week. It doesn’t look good for Tyndall getting back to where it was before the hurricane, or ever getting Raptors back, but apparently zero tails were lost to the storm.
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Oh right so now there's allegedly at least two subs poking around the Trident Juncture area of operations. Out lot are not commenting anything at all, but speculations are running that it might be a pair of Yasen-class boats, or one of those and one Borei-class. Or maybe a Kilo, nobody's talking. There's a bunch of P-8 Poseidons swoshing in and out though, so I guess somebody knows.
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Good systems tests for everyone, hopefully the Russian subs don’t break though, not many places left to get fixed.
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Sure, I'm just wondering when they're going to be launching those rockets they've been promising.
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Mazz posted:Good systems tests for everyone, hopefully the Russian subs don’t break though, not many places left to get fixed. Actually i do hope they all fall apart.
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MrYenko posted:I don’t know about that, they seem to be rather single-use. oof
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LingcodKilla posted:Actually i do hope they all fall apart. Mr. Crab, I have this dry dock, and it sank entirely. That's - not bad, right? Easy fix?
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Nebakenezzer posted:Mr. Crab, I have this dry dock, and it sank entirely. That's - not bad, right? Easy fix? Fill it full of ping pong balls and call me in the morning.
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I wouldn’t ask the crablante/fisherman about how to fix what might one day make a fantastic artificial reef.
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MrYenko posted:I don’t know about that, they seem to be rather single-use. They got some great pusher robots though, if you need to push graphite off a roof.
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mlmp08 posted:And we got some rad music out of that murderous deal Of all the places I'd not expect to find amazing music, the SA cold war thread would be up there, but here we are. This is amazing stuff, thanks. Vaguely back on topic, this is probably old, but hey, it's hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0jgZKV4N_A
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Mazz posted:Good systems tests for everyone, hopefully the Russian subs don’t break though, not many places left to get fixed. I'm pretty sure them all falling apart would be great news for basically everyone around the Arctic circle at the moment, given Russia's whole "well, actually most of the arctic belongs to us because <waves hands around vigorously>" thing.
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Thought he was holding a condom wrapper at first. Is this the only time they're allowed to do fun paintjobs anymore?
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Thought he was holding a condom wrapper at first. Lol I thought the same.
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Da mothafuckin 0sprey z0ne
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Polikarpov posted:Da mothafuckin 0sprey z0ne Lol, owns
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xiansi posted:Vaguely back on topic, this is probably old, but hey, it's hilarious: These Australian blokes are similar; I’m sure there are some defense-related ones but this is probably the best.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Death always present around ospreys, makes sense Helicopters already represent the triumph of man's ingenuity over common sense and physics, I don't even know what a tiltrotor represents.
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Don Gato posted:Helicopters already represent the triumph of man's ingenuity over common sense and physics, I don't even know what a tiltrotor represents. Showboating.
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Don Gato posted:Helicopters already represent the triumph of man's ingenuity over common sense and physics, I don't even know what a tiltrotor represents. Ospreys are like triple-dog-daring death itself.
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Yeah. It had the bad fortune of the usual testing accidents most airframes have but with a pile of Marines on board at the same time. So from day 1 it’s had the Mankiller rep.
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Alaan posted:Yeah. It had the bad fortune of the usual testing accidents most airframes have but with a pile of Marines on board at the same time. So from day 1 it’s had the Mankiller rep. That and it got a decade of media coverage that painted it as a completely unsafe and unnecessary contraption that didn't work and cost lots of taxpayer $$. Nobody really talks about H-60 or CH-46 crashes, but every V-22 crash is instantly a convenient article to rehash the "safety controversy!!" which has helped it retain the reputation long after it had a better safety record than the alternatives. Kinda like the F-22 in that you still see the odd person who gets his news about it from clickbait articles about how it can't fly in the rain written 10 years ago. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Nov 3, 2018 |
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To be fair "Gets lots of Marines killed" is a key feature of most USMC kit. See: Harriers being Harriers, the AAV-7 sinking occasionally, LAVs rolling over, helicopters of every type falling out of the sky.
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Polikarpov posted:To be fair "Gets lots of Marines killed" is a key feature of most USMC kit. See: Harriers being Harriers, the AAV-7 sinking occasionally, LAVs rolling over, helicopters of every type falling out of the sky. Helicopters lust for blood does not discriminate.
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mlmp08 posted:Ospreys are actually safer than army utility helicopters. Source your quotes.
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SimonCat posted:Source your quotes. No, really, they are statistically safer.
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From a 2017 USA Today article about a crash at that time:quote:For every 100,000 flight hours, the Osprey has had 3.2 mishaps involving loss of life or damage exceeding $2 million, Marine spokesman Capt. Ty Balzer said in an email. That compares with a rate of 2.98 per 100,000 flight hours for the CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters the Ospreys are replacing. Who knows how the Marine spokesman's stats were calculated, though
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