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Toadsmash posted:I must've spent a good two hours at this point reading up on signal tutorials and I can't figure out how to properly lay out my very basic bidirectional train setup for the life of me. Something about how signals work just refuses to click in my head. What voice coms do you use? The easiest if you've already read things and watched tutorials would be we meet up in the MP game Dimitrix is running (or some other) and I talk you through it.
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Toadsmash posted:I must've spent a good two hours at this point reading up on signal tutorials and I can't figure out how to properly lay out my very basic bidirectional train setup for the life of me. Something about how signals work just refuses to click in my head. Bi directional? Tracks should only go one way; all of your signals should be on the same side; so pick a "drive on left/right" and stick with it. You can have a simple single track if you have two stations, but for anything more you need two tracks running parallel. If you have all your tracks going one way and one signal is set to allow travel in the opposite direction, trains won't be able to go EITHER direction on that track. When you place a signal it'll show you which direction it is allowing on the track.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:12
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Toadsmash posted:I must've spent a good two hours at this point reading up on signal tutorials and I can't figure out how to properly lay out my very basic bidirectional train setup for the life of me. Something about how signals work just refuses to click in my head. Post a screenshot buddy
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Jun 17, 2016 20:13
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One weird trick for bidirectional track: The signals have to line up like this. Otherwise you make some blocks that can only be entered from one direction and some blocks that can only be entered from the other direction and it doesn't work.
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FISHMANPET posted:One weird trick for bidirectional track: This is the logic hole that didn't click in my head. That's exactly what I was screwing up. I'm just delaying the inevitable in not setting up a proper 2-lane main line, though. Stubborn and lazy, I guess. (And I could've lain that second lane about 20 times over in the time I took figuring this out) Toadsmash fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Loopoo posted:The way we download and install mods is fine, currently. I dunno, I tried to download Resource Spawner Overhaul last week and couldn't find a download link anywhere on the internet--just threads in the Factorio forums that linked back and forth between one another. It's probably not too hard, just not easier than I am lazy. An official mod manager, or even an external add-on like CKAN for Kerbal Space Program, would be worth the wait for me.
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Toadsmash posted:I must've spent a good two hours at this point reading up on signal tutorials and I can't figure out how to properly lay out my very basic bidirectional train setup for the life of me. Something about how signals work just refuses to click in my head. You're more than welcome to add me on Teamspeak or Discord or Steam or whatever. I can set up a sandbox server and give you a quick tutorial? It's so much easier when someone is there to explain it. Toadsmash posted:This is the logic hole that didn't click in my head. That's exactly what I was screwing up. tbf two-lane rail networks are great and all, but only if you need it. I've got a tonne of single train tracks that join onto my central rail network (that has two lanes). With FARL, there's no excuse not to have two lanes, but if you're doing it all by hand, single track is perfectly fine. If you start adding more trains, make sure to add lay-bys so trains can pull off to the side and wait whilst oncoming trains pass. Qubee fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 21:28
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Laying rail by hand in itself doesn't bother me, but clearing out the massive amounts of forest that typically entails out in the boonies where logistic network access is a problem is ridiculously inconvenient. Can't wait for new and improved flamethrowers! I'm doing the hyperaggressive strategy where I'm in the habit of nuking every alien nest that gets within a country mile of my pollution cloud to hell, though. I should really just learn to carry a few roboports and a giant pile of construction bots everywhere. I already have (active) power poles way the hell out in the middle of nowhere in lots of regions from the constant turret creeping. I made my first flamethrower just a couple days ago thinking it had to be an improvement for dealing with GREEN GREEN GREEN everywhere. That may be the most underwhelming flamethrower I've ever seen in a video game, especially considering the material cost of the ammo supply. Toadsmash fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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Jun 17, 2016 21:54
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Toadsmash posted:Laying rail by hand in itself doesn't bother me, but clearing out the massive amounts of forest that typically entails out in the boonies where logistic network access is a problem is ridiculously inconvenient. Can't wait for new and improved flamethrowers! Shotguns are quite good at clearing out trees. Tanks are even better, since you can lay down rails while in them (just point the tank where you want the track to go, drive forward, and lay down rails). Poison capsules clear out large groups of trees, and they're pretty cheap. And once you've teched up enough, personal roboports are great for doing more construction out in the middle of nowhere.
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Everything feels awful and tedious when it comes to removing trees. Personal Roboport is the only thing that feels remotely satisfying to use and doesn't bore you to death in the process. Tanks, poison capsules, shotguns, they're all terrible at removing huge, thick forests. I was using the FARL auto-remove feature before I had my Personal Roboport. I still use it every now and then too. Sometimes spending 30 minutes doing a job that could be done instantly ruins the amount of fun you're having for no real gain. I mean, removing trees isn't the main selling point of the game. I'd rather get them out of the way ASAP so I can actually spend time doing fun stuff.
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I don't find Personal Roboport that useful for that because you still have to worry about carrying all that wood, which piles up very very quickly. Hadn't thought of poison capsules, though. Have to try it!
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Jun 17, 2016 22:25
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Toadsmash posted:I don't find Personal Roboport that useful for that because you still have to worry about carrying all that wood, which piles up very very quickly. Hadn't thought of poison capsules, though. Have to try it!
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Jun 17, 2016 22:30
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Just take a train with you and carry it back to fuel your boilers. Or if you really dgaf about it build a wood chest, fill it with wood, and shoot it to destroy the wood. Fully upgrade bots with multiple roboports (I usually have 3) are probably the fastest way to clear trees. You can also have a blue print for rails and lay out your rails quite easily with the robots.
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Jun 17, 2016 22:31
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I went 95% solar basically as soon as I set up my first copper expo. This page has been full of strange and nefarious tips, though, all of which will help now or later. Thanks guys.
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Jun 17, 2016 22:40
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Toadsmash posted:I don't find Personal Roboport that useful for that because you still have to worry about carrying all that wood, which piles up very very quickly. Hadn't thought of poison capsules, though. Have to try it! You can use a roboport from inside a tank/car then you can fill the tank/car up with the wood.
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Jun 18, 2016 00:14
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I finally put a satellite in space. I'm about 110 hours into the game. 30 hours on the current game. I've found I greatly prefer passive mode. I have to fight the bugs to clear areas and get artifacts so there's still that gameplay element. I just get to not play the not very fun base expansion game. Are the steam achievements active? I might try to get a few of them in a new game.
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Jun 18, 2016 02:40
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Not until .13.
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Toadsmash posted:Not until .13. Bah. I saw them on the game page and thought maybe they were active but having mods disables it.
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Toadsmash posted:I must've spent a good two hours at this point reading up on signal tutorials and I can't figure out how to properly lay out my very basic bidirectional train setup for the life of me. Something about how signals work just refuses to click in my head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_block_signaling tl;dr: Signals mark the boundaries between 'blocks'. A signal will not allow a train to enter a block if the block already has a train in it. Factorio-specific: A chain signal does not allow a train to enter a block unless it can also enter the next block. Signals must be on the right-hand side relative the train's movement, if you want a section to be bi-directional there must be a signal on each side on the same track tile.
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I just got the game a couple of days ago and I was figuring out logistic robots today - is making them do absolutely everything in the base (rather than using belts) the right way to go about things or a fool's errand?
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It's a good way to make things very boring. Trying that basically destroyed my first long term game. The other "bigger" problem is you need an absurd amount of logistic bots to match the bandwidth of yellow~red belts. Don't even try to match the throughput of blue belts. I try to reserve material delivery to things that will turn into an end product. Like components for a roboport or electric furnace. Not 10,000+ iron wheels and copper cable.
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Okay, I found a new question. Why does the game think the curved portions of this junction are not valid tracks? The two curves are separated by a straight piece just like they're meant to be and the rails visually connect, but when I attempt to put a signal on any portion of those sections (straight or curved), I get the tri-color strobing as if they're invalid tracks. The trains even use them! I have track sections identical to these elsewhere in my network that the signals seem to have no problem with. The yellow-lit one in this (still) shot is flashing in the game, if it wasn't obvious.  Screenshot of a junction that uses the same exact type of curve with signals that work fine on it: (also happens to be my very first successful use of chain signals!)  My thumbnails seem to be busted, so have a link - the second screenshot is the one where all the signals work as advertised. http://imgur.com/a/6k9F5
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Toadsmash posted:Okay, I found a new question. Why does the game think the curved portions of this junction are not valid tracks? The two curves are separated by a straight piece just like they're meant to be and the rails visually connect, but when I attempt to put a signal on any portion of those sections (straight or curved), I get the tri-color strobing as if they're invalid tracks. The trains even use them! I have track sections identical to these elsewhere in my network that the signals seem to have no problem with. The strobing usually means "both sides of the signal are actually the same block, so the signal can't do anything meaningful". Essentially, you need to add extra signals to the other edges of the triangle so that all the points are in separate blocks.
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personal robo-butlers and blueprints for useful rail segments are my go-to mining expansion strategy. If you shift-click when laying the blueprint, the bots clear any trees in the way before hand.
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Jun 18, 2016 09:38
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All this talk of strip-mining forests has me thinking: it'd be pretty drat awesome if we had the ability to plant trees ourselves. For that hippie who wants to go totally green.
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I don't know about "totally green" but I wouldn't mind the ability to create small islands of vegetation in my lakes of concrete and machinery. Just as long as the trees know their place.
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Network Pesci posted:I don't know about "totally green" but I wouldn't mind the ability to create small islands of vegetation in my lakes of concrete and machinery. Just as long as the trees know their place. Industrial park manager? Control urban automation sprawl with the appropriate amount of bounded nature to keep your construction robots morale up.
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There's a mod for tree farms. They produce pretty quickly and I think they look pretty good, but it would also be nice to be able to plant trees wherever too, yeah.
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Anyone up for playing multiplayer RSO with me? I reckon two people could bash out a pretty drat good game before 0.13 is released on the 27th. I'd play solo but 1) it's more fun with others and 2) I'd be bored playing solo, I wanna save that energy for when 0.13 is out. Don't do what so many people do though: add me on Steam and then never get around to actually playing with me. Two previous goons have done that with another game and it was a waste of 4 days of me holding off on playing until we could play together, but then I realised they weren't actually interested in it. My Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/Q8ee/ Qubee fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jun 18, 2016 |
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Welp, someone did it. A mod which disables electricity production (until late game things like robots) and everything runs on fuel https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=26870 Smoke the biters out and fill the sky with filth.
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The most amazing thing about this game is that of the over TEN THOUSAND steam reviews, 98% of them are positive. You never see that high of a percentage liking any of the other 'early access' games on steam. Honestly, I haven't played it since it was released on steam though, been getting back into modded minecraft and it's just too much fun to even think about Factorio again.
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Ambaire posted:The most amazing thing about this game is that of the over TEN THOUSAND steam reviews, 98% of them are positive. You never see that high of a percentage liking any of the other 'early access' games on steam. Honestly, I haven't played it since it was released on steam though, been getting back into modded minecraft and it's just too much fun to even think about Factorio again. I only ever got into modded Minecraft because I loved making huge autoproduction systems. I recall fondly having made a fully self-sufficient system that just spit out solar panels made from alchemy systems... running on solar power. If I made an automatic building system, it could have become macroscale grey goo. Then I found out that all I ever wanted was Factorio. If I could make a Factorio clone in an Infinifactory-style 3D engine, I would never have to play anything else ever again.
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I remember enjoying industrialcraft, but it all seemed somehow jankety and ultimately unsatisfying, maybe it was just because of whatever other mods were bundled into the technic pack. Factorio feels vaguely similar, but it's better executed at basically every level, and doesn't really reach a point where the entire experience ends up feeling like I'm wasting my time.
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Zomborgon posted:If I could make a Factorio clone in an Infinifactory-style 3D engine, I would never have to play anything else ever again. http://store.steampowered.com/app/352430/ Still very early development though.
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Tenebrais posted:http://store.steampowered.com/app/352430/ The reviews aren't all that kind to it though. Perhaps it was put on steam a little too early but I'll stick it on my wishlist to track it. If it looks like it's being worked on and improved I might try it.
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There is also this: http://store.steampowered.com/app/254200 Not early access Screenshots don't look pretty but it sounds like the automation gameplay is there. If I ever have free time I want to check it out.
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I have to thank DmitriX for hosting that Unstable Ground server. It's now firmly in the "We can basically launch a bunch of rockets whenever" stage. And here I was saying "gently caress it" when I saw how tiny the starting area was.  Less than a week to .13, at least. I look forward to building wherever and actually using trains in a singleplayer game for once.
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Ratzap posted:The reviews aren't all that kind to it though. Perhaps it was put on steam a little too early but I'll stick it on my wishlist to track it. If it looks like it's being worked on and improved I might try it. The game is awful. It's a buggy piece of poo poo. Opening your inventory and then trying to click and place items in your hotbar fails to work nine times out of ten. Clicks just don't seem to register. Definitely nowhere near as good or polished as Factorio, even considering the fact it's an early access game. Would definitely not recommend you buying it.
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Zomborgon posted:If I could make a Factorio clone in an Infinifactory-style 3D engine, I would never have to play anything else ever again. You do the thing, I'll make the VR plugin.
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Truga posted:You do the thing, I'll make the VR plugin. 3AM me meant "find." I'm not sure if I'd ever really appreciate it if I had to create it myself. It's still an open market, though, given that the above options aren't too great-looking so far.
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