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ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Roger Explosion posted:

That's about the only thing that might give me pause but, that's not really the reason I don't like Armor March. To me, using the C slot just to essentially, turn armoured units into infantry seems like a waste of a slot. I thinks it's much better used for using the armour specific skills to take advantage of what they're already good at rather than trying to mimic something theyre not.

Infantry units with extra-inflated BST and access to some of the best B skills in the game.

They're all pretty viable at least. Meanwhile you don't really make a lot of use out of Ward Fliers/Cavalry. Honestly Armor Emblem is really great right now. The only really 'bad' armour is Draug, and that's only because he's been outmuscled by his competition.

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Alxprit
Feb 7, 2015

<click> <click> What is it with this dancing?! Bouncing around like fools... I would have thought my own kind at least would understand the seriousness of our Adventurer's Guild!

I currently have 420 orbs.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

I'm so glad Ares is in the 4* pool. Once I get enough of him, it will be so nice to go "ok i have no idea what to give you, have a brazen". A healer's best friend!
Please spend the next sevearl banners introducing more 4* brazens, intsys.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


rannum posted:

I'm so glad Ares is in the 4* pool. Once I get enough of him, it will be so nice to go "ok i have no idea what to give you, have a brazen". A healer's best friend!
Please spend the next sevearl banners introducing more 4* brazens, intsys.

Why would a healer want a brazen skill

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Alxprit posted:

I currently have 420 orbs.

Get back to us at 69420

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Andrast posted:

Why would a healer want a brazen skill

Brazen Attack/Defense may not be the most ideal, but it's pretty easy to get into 80% range (least, for me) and can help out a bit more once there. I won't say no to more extra survivability once in the range, or attack.

Also they'll be common unlike the other big defensive skills and will contribute more than the stat up skills.

Roger Explosion
Jan 26, 2006

THAT'S SPECTACULAR.

ApplesandOranges posted:

Infantry units with extra-inflated BST and access to some of the best B skills in the game.
Meh.That bst is half the reason why Ward stacking is better and there are a gajillion infantry builds that use much cheaper skills for similar effects. It's a lot of effort to put in when Nino with Desperation can kill just as much. Of course it's still viable because armours are in a really good place right now, but I'm yet to be convinced that it's actually better.

I actually do have a secondary armour team for AA with Armor March that's made for player phase: VLyn, Arden, Hector and Burger King. It mainly exists because Arden is a boss and his art is cool and I want to use him to quad folk into oblivion. Chances to do that are few in far between though because there are very few, if any, instances where using their conditional movement boost is more helpful than any of my infantry teams or the ward-stacked armour team. I can't imagine that changing much even if the game blarts four copies of Bold Fighter at me.

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Meanwhile you don't really make a lot of use out of Ward Fliers/Cavalry.
Hey hey hey! I'll give you cavalry but my F!Morgan, Subaki, Minerva, Beruka, and NY!Camilla all love being warded. It was a seriously good day for me when Shigure was demoted to four stars.

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Honestly Armor Emblem is really great right now. The only really 'bad' armour is Draug, and that's only because he's been outmuscled by his competition.
Draug can at least me multi-merged easier and I've seen him with a Wo Dao surprisingly frequently in arena. I mean, he still blows up if a mage so much as glances at him, but at least some people are trying to do something with the dear unfortunate boy.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Draug wouldn't suck if they didn't decide to keep making armor skills that make spd basically a dump stat

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Washout posted:

You want to build Caeda then. She is fantastic. Definitely my flier team MVP.

Edit: I led my last AA run with my highest BST team and only saw one Lyn, so now I need armor counters instead. Selena TA swordbreaker seems like a cheap solution for grima but I also need a green for countering effies, who else is good and cheap besides Frederick? Aha, Bartre!

E: Somehow totally misread

RMZXAnarchy
Sep 9, 2011

*Insert Sailor Jupiter joke here*
Did another pull for Bride!Tharja and got Luke.

I hate his ugly face, does he do anything good or is he a junk 5*?

For this TT I've been using a pretty effective team of Vector, Ishtar, Sanaki and Azura. Might swap out Vector with Groom Marth when he's leveled up but otherwise i can usually get through till the 7th round before having to switch to the backup (Fallen!Celica, Olivia, Cav!Eirika, and Micaiah.)

Zwingley
Sep 20, 2011

"My dear Seth, you look absolutely dashing!"

Hair Elf

RMZXAnarchy posted:

Did another pull for Bride!Tharja and got Luke.

I hate his ugly face, does he do anything good or is he a junk 5*?

Well, worst case scenario he has a Brave Sword+, so you can save 20k feathers on someone. Fire Boost is okay on, like, Arden, and Panic Ploy is a little more versatile, but you probably still want it for higher HP units.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

RMZXAnarchy posted:

Did another pull for Bride!Tharja and got Luke.

I hate his ugly face, does he do anything good or is he a junk 5*?

If you already have Siegbert or B!Roy, they are better offensive sword calvs. But he's OK otherwise. At least he comes with some decent SI. Brave Sword+, Fire Boost, and Panic Ploy 3 are still pretty useful.

SL the Pyro
Jun 16, 2013

My soul cries out
with the desire to
FRACTURE
your puny spine.


what do you mean that hotkey disappeared


Tried to snipe Ninian (so of course there's no Blues), ended up with another Sanaki.

First one is +Atk/-Spd, second one is +Spd/-Def. I'm puzzled as to who is eating the other: +Atk is never a bad thing, but that jump from 23 > 30 Spd might save me a lot of double-related headaches from the mages she's supposed to fight off. What do?

AverySpecialfriend
Jul 8, 2017

by Hand Knit
Brash katti windsweep *nodding sagely*

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



SL the Pyro posted:



Tried to snipe Ninian (so of course there's no Blues), ended up with another Sanaki.

First one is +Atk/-Spd, second one is +Spd/-Def. I'm puzzled as to who is eating the other: +Atk is never a bad thing, but that jump from 23 > 30 Spd might save me a lot of double-related headaches from the mages she's supposed to fight off. What do?

I do not have a Sanaki, but I like dumping speed for heroes that have low speed if you're using them in Arena/AA. It's not as true as it was a few months ago thanks to all the dragons, but the amount of doubling you get and receive really doesn't change that much from like 25 speed up until like 35 in my experience because most things are really fast or really slow.

E: I'd actually guess that +atk/-spd is one of her best natures.

Elyv fucked around with this message at 20:10 on May 28, 2018

mabels big day
Feb 25, 2012

SL the Pyro posted:



Tried to snipe Ninian (so of course there's no Blues), ended up with another Sanaki.

First one is +Atk/-Spd, second one is +Spd/-Def. I'm puzzled as to who is eating the other: +Atk is never a bad thing, but that jump from 23 > 30 Spd might save me a lot of double-related headaches from the mages she's supposed to fight off. What do?

Dump her speed and go all in on attack.

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


Both of those IVs are good, actually. The +spd one is especially handy of you go the route of Windsweep + Phantom Speed seal to help her safely nuke DC units.

SL the Pyro
Jun 16, 2013

My soul cries out
with the desire to
FRACTURE
your puny spine.


what do you mean that hotkey disappeared
Thanks for the input, guys.



Sorry New Sanaki, but it's a loli-eat-loli world.

While Windsweeping to dick over DC monsters sounds fun, I don't think Sanaki would be engaging on anything she couldn't already kill in one hit, which is what F!Grima is for. Watersweep versus ranged is also not practical because she'd get demolished by all the speedy Blues/Greys, and it's pointless against Reds/Greens because they're not getting through Sanaki's buffed Res without being on some loving drugs.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
imo I would've gone with +spd/-atk and just built TA + Red Tomebreaker for one of those budget specialists you probably won't ever use again after this tempest trials :v:

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Sanaki has saved my tempest runs like 3 tempests now. are you a green boss unit with way too much bulk -> guess whose about to get nuked with TA green breaker suns

THE FUCKING MOON
Jan 19, 2008
After getting caught up on almost half a year's worth of story and paralogues and getting a good bit into the current TT (which I'm happy to see appears to be mini- the new standard?) I can no longer deny that I'm actually playing Heroes again, at least a bit.

I never bothered with blessings and the only two legendary heroes I have are Fjorm and Ike. I don't really have a clear idea of what the gardens are or anything. What are the important takeaways? I noticed that Fir can get nameless blade now. I've got her up to +7 5* :hellyeah:

I've got a fair number of new 5*'s that I haven't bothered leveling or anything. Off the current banner I got bridal Ninian, +HP -Res. Seems really good with my normal armor set up with the guidance seal on. Aside from that though, I've got these new ones-

Lene (crap ivs, cant remember what)
Zelgius (+ATK, -RES)- seems broke
Luke
Ares
Tana

I kinda want to try for bridal Tharja too

edit: Oh yeah, the point. I'm sure there's been a lot of powercreep since december. Generally speaking, what's changed, and what's worth paying attention too? I guess the arena is a loving nightmare by now.

mabels big day
Feb 25, 2012

SL the Pyro posted:

Thanks for the input, guys.



Sorry New Sanaki, but it's a loli-eat-loli world.

While Windsweeping to dick over DC monsters sounds fun, I don't think Sanaki would be engaging on anything she couldn't already kill in one hit, which is what F!Grima is for. Watersweep versus ranged is also not practical because she'd get demolished by all the speedy Blues/Greys, and it's pointless against Reds/Greens because they're not getting through Sanaki's buffed Res without being on some loving drugs.

If on the off chance you have a spare attack/res bond, finding a good flier pal and pairing her up with them gets you a minimum of +12 res and attack, which turns her into a monster offensively and defensively. Death Blow is a good alternative though if you don't have a bond skill. Drive speed is a good C skill for Sanaki because it works well with the drive attack built in to her tome, or you can give her drive attack from the 4* groom marth for double drive attack.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

THE loving MOON posted:

edit: Oh yeah, the point. I'm sure there's been a lot of powercreep since december. Generally speaking, what's changed, and what's worth paying attention too? I guess the arena is a loving nightmare by now.

Armors have gotten a lot of powercreep. I think the others might have too, but no one cares since Nino and Reinhardt are still dominant. Dragons are really powerful now too, but I think that was from before December when they got their weapon refinements. And the ones people worry about are the old multi-merged Faes and Tikis.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
A lot of characters got buffs like Caeda that went from really bad to really good.

THE FUCKING MOON
Jan 19, 2008

Clarste posted:

Armors have gotten a lot of powercreep. I think the others might have too, but no one cares since Nino and Reinhardt are still dominant. Dragons are really powerful now too, but I think that was from before December when they got their weapon refinements. And the ones people worry about are the old multi-merged Faes and Tikis.

More powercreep than Christmas Tharja? I've had her paired up with my DC Amelia since she dropped and they make a ridiculously good team. I usually put them with Effie and either Black Knight or !HHenry. With Guidance Bridal Ninian I'm thinking of changing that up for the regular team when I'm not running all-armor gimmicks.

DC/Aether/QR/Quickened Pulse Amelia is still a terror :black101:

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

THE loving MOON posted:

More powercreep than Christmas Tharja? I've had her paired up with my DC Amelia since she dropped and they make a ridiculously good team. I usually put them with Effie and either Black Knight or !HHenry. With Guidance Bridal Ninian I'm thinking of changing that up for the regular team when I'm not running all-armor gimmicks.

DC/Aether/QR/Quickened Pulse Amelia is still a terror :black101:

Oh, if you already have Christmas Tharja then it's not too different. Since then we've gotten Zelgius (better version of Black Knight), Hardin (lance armor with built-in DC) and Evil Robin (Green Dragon Armor with built-in DC).

Uh... also Hector+ and some other decent armors I can't remember. Valentine's Eliwood was notable for having the highest BST yet, but his stat distributions were bad so he's bad overall.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Clarste posted:

Oh, if you already have Christmas Tharja then it's not too different. Since then we've gotten Zelgius (better version of Black Knight), Hardin (lance armor with built-in DC) and Evil Robin (Green Dragon Armor with built-in DC).

Uh... also Hector+ and some other decent armors I can't remember. Valentine's Eliwood was notable for having the highest BST yet, but his stat distributions were bad so he's bad overall.

Hardin & Grima are also notable since they added bold & vengeful fighter into the permanent pool, so more people can get those skills.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
Yeah I don't think 2018 has had that much general powercreep. A bunch of the trash from launch has gotten weapons that make them competitive but the ceiling is still around where it was in December I think.

THE FUCKING MOON
Jan 19, 2008
"Black Knight but better" lol, I guess it was bound to get there eventually :p

BlazeEmblem
Jun 8, 2013

Uh oh. Do I use Ariadne thread or Goho-M?

THE loving MOON posted:

After getting caught up on almost half a year's worth of story and paralogues and getting a good bit into the current TT (which I'm happy to see appears to be mini- the new standard?) I can no longer deny that I'm actually playing Heroes again, at least a bit.

I never bothered with blessings and the only two legendary heroes I have are Fjorm and Ike. I don't really have a clear idea of what the gardens are or anything. What are the important takeaways? I noticed that Fir can get nameless blade now. I've got her up to +7 5* :hellyeah:

The Tempest trials are now always mini length, with all of the bonus units giving 40% to the score, and everyone gets the bonus stats for the first two runs, not just bonus units. They changed the name to Tempest Trials+ to make it clear that these changes are permanent.

The gardens are just normal Story or Paralogue maps that require every member of your party to have a blessing. You get enough blessings from doing the maps that you don't need a legendary hero of that type. The point of them is just to get the rewards from them.

SL the Pyro
Jun 16, 2013

My soul cries out
with the desire to
FRACTURE
your puny spine.


what do you mean that hotkey disappeared

mabels big day posted:

If on the off chance you have a spare attack/res bond, finding a good flier pal and pairing her up with them gets you a minimum of +12 res and attack, which turns her into a monster offensively and defensively. Death Blow is a good alternative though if you don't have a bond skill. Drive speed is a good C skill for Sanaki because it works well with the drive attack built in to her tome, or you can give her drive attack from the 4* groom marth for double drive attack.
She does in fact have a good flier pal.



This is the plan. I'd have to roll two Bridal Sanakis to pull this off verbatim, but the result would be glorious:

-Sanaki gives +6 Atk/+7 Spd just by existing.
-F!Grima partnering with her would give her 59 Atk and 50 Spd; doubling her would require a lot of dedication without Bold Fighter.
-If I roll a B!Sanaki for Atk/Res Bond, then vanilla Sanaki can reach a disgusting 67 Atk and 46 Res. Fury is a budget option if I miss out (though QR will need to be replaced with Vantage in that case).
-If I roll another B!Sanaki and give Def/Res Link to F!Grima, her defenses would become 45/36 on EP; DD3 as a seal is optional to turn it into 51/43 versus ranged. Sanaki would also max out at 52 Res.

SL the Pyro fucked around with this message at 23:46 on May 28, 2018

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
i spent all my carefully saved 340+ orbs on the old bride banner and got

wife cordelia + 4 (+SPD/-ATK)
another faye
another minerva (with better ivs than my old one)
another katarina to make mine +1
4 hinatas
some more felicias and freds to continue those projects
perfect IV Gwendolyn because I guess I'll 5* her now
perfect IV 4* roy who will stay forever unpromoted because roy is not my boy

what i did not get:
charlotte
more selenas to finish project selena
anyone with repo

Golden Battler
Sep 6, 2010

~Perfect and Elegant~

mabels big day posted:

If on the off chance you have a spare attack/res bond, finding a good flier pal and pairing her up with them gets you a minimum of +12 res and attack, which turns her into a monster offensively and defensively. Death Blow is a good alternative though if you don't have a bond skill. Drive speed is a good C skill for Sanaki because it works well with the drive attack built in to her tome, or you can give her drive attack from the 4* groom marth for double drive attack.

Pairing Sanaki with Flying Sanaki has been working for me really well.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
I'm pairing Snacky with FMorgan

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Sanaki & Hinoka for me
They buff each other, its great

Retcon
Jun 23, 2010

Rank 2989 in AA this week, that was a close one.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zs7L7MyseI

Who the gently caress actually cares about this guy

THE FUCKING MOON
Jan 19, 2008
Huh. Gonna keep pulling for Tharja I guess

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Hm. We I do want an excuse to pull red for chances at 3-4* Erikia, but it looks like red is... Young Tiki, Sigurd, and Legend Ryoma? Hmm...

Clarste fucked around with this message at 04:09 on May 29, 2018

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Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
I want FGrima so badly, but those other colorless are so awful...

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