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That was Croc from his early 80s inception though. Like, you might assume he started out as "mean lizard guy," and the tragic backstory thing was added later because it was in vogue for Batman villains, but it was actually the other way around. Croc's first appearances have him as an unstable gangster who's been bullied and ostracised all his life for his skin condition. He comes to Gotham and attempts to take over the mob by intimidating their leaders into letting him run the rackets, which he successfully does for a while. He's smart and calculating, but suffers from deep insecurity and anxiety about other people looking at or talking to him that roots from the childhood abuse he received for his skin condition. There's one memorable moment where Batman finds Croc's apartment, enters it, and Croc immediately starts trashing the place in a rage because this was his One Safe Place and now that someone else has crossed its threshold, it's ruined and must be destroyed. It's not even about Batman finding his hideout, it's just that he wanted his home to be totally serene and free from judgement, and if anyone other than him has set foot in it at any point, he can't feel that way about it any more. His fall from vague respectability happens after he tussles with Batman and subsequently Bane, gets knocked into a storm drain, and spends months in a fugue state eating rats. But Croc used to like, wear suits and have sophisticated plans and stuff.
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None of which explains how he became 10 feet tall and covered in green scales.
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Android Blues posted:Yeah for a long time Killer Croc was supposed to just be a guy with a terrible skin disease who was mentally ill because he had been ostracised and picked on from childhood. I think his scaly skin also gave him a degree of congenital immunity to pain? As far as I can tell it started shifting with how he was depicted in Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum comic, as well as him often being drawn as more literally reptilian in various Elseworlds stories Android Blues posted:That was Croc from his early 80s inception though. Like, you might assume he started out as "mean lizard guy," and the tragic backstory thing was added later because it was in vogue for Batman villains, but it was actually the other way around. Yeah from what I've heard quite a few people disliked Bane for a while for usurping a lot of what had been Croc's role among Batman's villains
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drrockso20 posted:As far as I can tell it started shifting with how he was depicted in Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum comic, as well as him often being drawn as more literally reptilian in various Elseworlds stories Maybe but I’m still gonna blame Jeph Loeb cuz it was the Hush storyline that finally pulled that trigger.
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It actually happened, and he got closer to killing batman than any of the others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvnYXL7AqZo
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Android Blues posted:But Croc used to like, wear suits and have sophisticated plans and stuff. can somebody find a picture of this? it's a little off-topic but that sounds incredible, like Joe Fixit vvv EDIT: Thanks for this, not quite what I expected but still incredible LordSaturn fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Feb 24, 2018 |
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LordSaturn posted:can somebody find a picture of this? it's a little off-topic but that sounds incredible, like Joe Fixit  
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good day for a bris posted:Maybe but I’m still gonna blame Jeph Loeb cuz it was the Hush storyline that finally pulled that trigger. yeah, maybe I'm misremembering this but I feel like Morrison's portrayal was the exception rather than the rule, and it was Hush where Croc started being depicted as a monster. Doesn't Batman even make some comment about how Croc has changed when he fights him in that?
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An easy retcon too. Croc has that severe skin condition, his initial play and failure against Batman resulted in such an excess of stress that his metagene got triggered without him realizing it, it synced up with his skin and made him basically a were-crocodile, and that's why he degenerated so much: he's now got primal animal instincts loving with his brain. He's not aware of it though, and hence he goes from 'can be a decent guy' to 'vicious animalistic cannibal' depending on where his brain is being directed, and Hush's virus just exacerbated the problem.
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Cornwind Evil posted:An easy retcon too. Croc has that severe skin condition, his initial play and failure against Batman resulted in such an excess of stress that his metagene got triggered without him realizing it, it synced up with his skin and made him basically a were-crocodile, and that's why he degenerated so much: he's now got primal animal instincts loving with his brain. He's not aware of it though, and hence he goes from 'can be a decent guy' to 'vicious animalistic cannibal' depending on where his brain is being directed, and Hush's virus just exacerbated the problem. His issue of Joker's Asylum went with something like that, as did the Elseworlds comic The Batman of Arkham(which is probably one of the best Elseworlds comics for a bunch of reasons)
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The best explanation for Croc is the Batman '66 comic where he was a henchman for King Tut who accidentally drank too much of an elixir that magically gives you crocodile strength.
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To be fair, it was a big rock.
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LordSaturn posted:can somebody find a picture of this? it's a little off-topic but that sounds incredible, like Joe Fixit He was still trying to be fashionable during No Man's Land:  
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So where did DUH I R KILLUR CROCUH come from? Batman TAS + Arkham game series?
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Infinitum posted:So where did DUH I R KILLUR CROCUH come from? Batman TAS + Arkham game series? I think most writers just assume big guys are dumb.
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Infinitum posted:So where did DUH I R KILLUR CROCUH come from? Batman TAS + Arkham game series? And various Elseworlds comics as well since they often used him as the dumb muscle(the Batman Vampire trilogy and The Doom That Came To Gotham particularly come to mind)
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Even TAS didn't always have him dumb. Like that episode where he's on the run and shacks up with the group of escapee ex circus freaks was pretty great, and he shows a lot of intelligence in it.
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Deep down, Killer Croc just wants to be loved.
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One day my dreams will come true and they'll publish a sequel to The Batman of Arkham with Croc as Robin.
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Jedit posted:Deep down, Killer Croc just wants to be loved. He needs to go home and be a family man.
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Lurdiak posted:None of which explains how he became 10 feet tall and covered in green scales. Contamination Hazard Urban Disposal
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 (Doom Patrol #6 by Gerard Way, Nick Derington, Tom Fowler, Tamra Bonvillain and Todd Klein).
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Yes I'm posting lots of pages, no I'm not sorry The Unbelievable Gwenpool #25       
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When in doubt, use the ending from Never Ending Story. How appropriate. Well played.
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W.T. Fits posted:I still think the Plastic Man issue is one of the best comics I've ever read. okay this is glorious
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So this month's Snagglepuss features a love triangle between Arthur Miller, Joe DiMaggio, and Marilyn Monroe.   This comes after a sequence earlier in the issue where we get DiMaggio's perspective on how Marilyn represents the ultimate normativity that he, as the son of immigrants, never had access to before. It's a nice inversion.
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I never expected the Hanna-Barbara comics to end up so weird and wonderful.
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Snagglepuss looks like someone's fursona
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What is it with comics and having poignant stories about the Monroe/DiMaggio marriage? The best issue of 100 Bullets is about them, too (well, analogs, but it was fairly obvious).
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Rough Lobster posted:Snagglepuss looks like someone's fursona That's the end of the comic, he tries to hump DiMaggio and Joe knocks his mask off.
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A discussion in another thread got me thinking about Dwayne McDuffie again and well, this is probably my favorite page he ever wrote.
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"Okay, no, probably like a thousand or something, but that sounded cooler."
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"Also it really really helps if they have superpowers. I mean 4 people is just a small business."
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In the Dark Reign Fantastic Four series (which was the Start of Hickman's run) he basically says "And having re-re-checked the Math the actual number to change everything is 1. When 1 is Reed Richards. Basically I can fix everything."
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Dr. Doom is insulted!
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The Question IRL posted:In the Dark Reign Fantastic Four series (which was the Start of Hickman's run) he basically says An awfully Maker statement to make
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Yeah, that subtext becomes text pretty quickly once the Council of Reeds shows up.
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YEAH LETS RUIN ONE OF THE BEST F4 PANELS OF ALL TIME. Jerks.
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Nah the panel where Reed is tucking in Franklin (or was it Valeria?) is still pretty timeless. Requesting it be posted, thanks in advance.
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GrandpaPants posted:Nah the panel where Reed is tucking in Franklin (or was it Valeria?) is still pretty timeless. Requesting it be posted, thanks in advance. No because in what universe is calling himself Mr. Fantastic and the guy who got the poo poo end of the stick The Thing a way to try to make them showman esque super heroes
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