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Kneel Before Zog posted:Whats that email that refutes that the government doesnt provide anything with that anecdotal story? If it's the one I've been thinking of, could you copy/paste it here? I've been looking for it.
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cheerfullydrab posted:You know, the government gives a lot more leeway to strict Amish and Jewish with a capital J communities than it does to muslims who want to live a traditional way of life. Look up the history of Amish under the draft or anything about Kiryas Joel, NY. It gives them leeway because they essentially segregate themselves willingly. I'm sure many Americans would be more than happy to let Muslims create their own town where they all lived away from anyone else and practice Sharia Law all by themselves.
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Aug 25, 2011 15:02
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Sarion posted:It gives them leeway because they essentially segregate themselves willingly. I'm sure many Americans would be more than happy to let Muslims create their own town where they all lived away from anyone else and practice Sharia Law all by themselves. You're entirely and incredibly wrong. Sorry.
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Aug 25, 2011 16:33
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Capitalize first word, capitalize Fox News. I would consider getting rid of the "in medicine" part, because then it's making it about Obamacare, which is pretty bad. "Socialism is BAD" is enough to get the point across that they're being obtuse. I'd also consider not calling them shitheels, because then they won't read a word of it, or will only read it with the intention of disproving/disbelieving it. Other than that, I'd fwd that.
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XyloJW posted:Other than that, I'd fwd that. just did
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JerkyBunion posted:You're entirely and incredibly wrong. Sorry. I read this as a joke. But if it's not, do you have any reasons? I don't mind being wrong, I'd just like to know if there's something more to the Amish and Kiryas Joel communities that I'm not aware of. nsaP posted:Eh? Yep, that's the one! Thanks. It's really the only liberal "chain email" that I've seen widely circulated.
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Aug 25, 2011 17:31
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No level of government, be it federal, state, or local, would allow a community of muslims to willingly separate themselves from larger society and let them live by their own rules without a massive shitstorm from the islamophobic people in our society. It would never ever ever happen.
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cheerfullydrab posted:No level of government, be it federal, state, or local, would allow a community of muslims to willingly separate themselves from larger society and let them live by their own rules without a massive shitstorm from the islamophobic people in our society. It would never ever ever happen. Yeah, I guess I was just thinking that they'd be more than happy to put them all in one spot and pretend like they didn't exist. But they'd probably just view it as a threat. If you're a Muslim you're pretty much damned if you do, damned if you don't. But is there anything the government could actually do to stop it? I mean, they can't deny them the right to own private property or from operating their own Muslim private schools, etc. So apart from there being no desire on the part of the Muslim community, what would actually stop them?
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Also, chain email... (emphasis theirs)A very powerful cartoon.....please keep it going. posted:This should be posted in every school in the " USA ." I especially like that this one can't seem to make up it's mind about who it hates. Ungrateful kids, atheists, socialists, muslims; its kind of all over the place. But I guess if you're not a white christian who loves some good ol' fashion unrestrained capitalism, its really all the same. quote:Tell me, again, whose country is this? Ours or the Muslims? Whose indeed...
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Aug 25, 2011 18:43
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I guess they never met any veterans from the Spanish Civil War.
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I guess they never heard of the lend-lease program.
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Aug 25, 2011 19:17
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And I see whole film crews filming things on Madison Avenue and nobody says anything about it. But I spend a few hours wandering around a grade school filming the children, and suddenly I'm the bad guy?!
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:And I see whole film crews filming things on Madison Avenue and nobody says anything about it. But I spend a few hours wandering around a grade school filming the children, and suddenly I'm the bad guy?! Also, while I haven't spent much time on Madison Avenue, one might say I haven't spent any time, I was under the impression that there was nothing stopping people from standing on the streets shouting about praising Jesus. I've seen a lot of that in D.C. I don't see what would stop Christians from praying on Madison Ave.
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Sarion posted:I read this as a joke. But if it's not, do you have any reasons? I don't mind being wrong, I'd just like to know if there's something more to the Amish and Kiryas Joel communities that I'm not aware of. I meant you're wrong in the sense that these racist assholes WOULD care if Muslims were allowed their own communities like the Amish or Kiryas Joel (which I don't know anything about). You really think these people really care about where Muslims are? No. They hate Muslims. This is a mainstream conservative group complete with elected officials addressing the group. This isn't the Westboro Baptist Church. The best part of the video is that they're chanting GO BACK HOME at all these brown people and one of them was like, "I was so confused. They kept telling me to go back home. I'm from Fullerton."
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Sarion posted:Also, while I haven't spent much time on Madison Avenue, one might say I haven't spent any time, I was under the impression that there was nothing stopping people from standing on the streets shouting about praising Jesus. I've seen a lot of that in D.C. I don't see what would stop Christians from praying on Madison Ave. My mother is really big into the church, and just like she puts it, there's nothing stopping people from praying in school. She prayed before every test in law school. There's only something stopping people from yelling at other people that they're praying.
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:My mother is really big into the church, and just like she puts it, there's nothing stopping people from praying in school. She prayed before every test in law school. There's only something stopping people from yelling at other people that they're praying. It's also important to note that there's nothing banning prayer in school. There are school rules that say you can't disrupt classes/etc. If you are being a disruption, it doesn't matter whether you're praying or holding a Marxist rally, you'll get in trouble. They're confusing "prayer in school" with school sponsored prayer. I also generally find it satisfying to quote this biblical passage (even using the KJV): Matthew 6:5-6 posted:And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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"Why don't you go home and beat your wife like you do every night!" at a fundraiser for Women's Shelters. Classy... Matthew 6:5-6 is one of my favorites too.
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"Verily I say unto you ... enter into thy closet". - Matthew 6:5-6 Who said that the bible was against homosexuality? 
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chain Email posted:Only 31 words -- Think about it! So, we're supposedly free not to say the pledge, but we aren't supposed to actually use that freedom? Since when are Christians banned from praying in public? I've also seen plenty of religious displays while in the US. Maybe they aren't supposed to be in front of government buildings (?) but nothing's stopping churches or private homes from putting nativity displays or whatever on their lawns.
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Cacatua posted:So, we're supposedly free not to say the pledge, but we aren't supposed to actually use that freedom? Because if its not on the lawn of city hall, baby Jesus will cry. It says so in the Bible, somewhere near the back.
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Cacatua posted:So, we're supposedly free not to say the pledge, but we aren't supposed to actually use that freedom?
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I also think people frequently confuse the pledge of allegiance with the national anthem. Plus, I would imagine that a soldier would respect my freedom of speech that he fought so bravely for.
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Some bigot posted:Thinks its sad that we cant celebrate Christmas at school anymore. Now they want to stop playing OUR national anthem at morning assembly, cause it might upset some religious families. THIS IS CANADA...OUR SOLDIERS DIED UNDER OUR FLAG & ANTHEM TO FIGHT FOR OUR WAY OF LIFE! If they are so offended by the way our country was raised please feel free to go back to where u came from! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! quote:Do people even read this poo poo before sharing it with everyone? It'd be hilarious if it weren't so disgusting. I think they read them but don't really think about them much. I occasionally get these Emails with "Canada" replaced by "America" from people I don't even know. I don't even know where they get the idea that Canada was founded on Christianity. First off, it was founded by a bunch of lawyers and religion had nothing to do with it. Second, the people here before Canada was colonized by Europeans weren't Christian. I don't think banning certain clothing styles is very tolerant. Also, when I was in school, the children who didn't stand up for the anthem were actually Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) but I suspect that's not the right type of Christian to the folks who pass around crap like the above. The fact that a few kids didn't stand for or sing the anthem also bothered exactly no one. It's a trivial thing to get worked up over.
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"That's what we did when I was a kid, and I turned out fine." "No, you turned out to be bigoted, selfish, and completely lacking in compassion and empathy."
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Sarion posted:Also, chain email... (emphasis theirs) Thank you for fighting to uphold, among other things, my right to decide whether or not to participate in this totally twisted brainwashing ceremony Mr. Veteran! I'm sorry, but does the Pledge of Allegiance freak anyone else out? I'm all about honoring the fallen for what they've done, after all we are all here living these comfortable lives because of the sacrifice of those who came before. That is an ENTIRELY different issue than having all our kids stand up, in a heathen display of Roman loyalty, put their hands over their hearts, and give an oath of allegiance. It's loving crazy! As a kid I always disliked the brief intrusion into my day but as an adult who knows about emotional and mental manipulation, the practice seems truly evil.
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Nathilus posted:Thank you for fighting to uphold, among other things, my right to decide whether or not to participate in this totally twisted brainwashing ceremony Mr. Veteran! At least we don't use the Roman salute anymore! But yeah, I have to agree with you. I don't find it to be a particularly huge deal, but I do have to wonder how much less of a deal nationalism would be if children were not
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As someone who immigrated to the US, the pledge of allegiance is really weird and creepy. This also applies to the fever-pitch that American patriotism can reach and the whole FLAGSFLAGSFLAGS thing. This is the only place I've ever been (or heard of) where people put up flagpoles in their yard because they love the flag so loving much.
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There's way worse honestly. I'm in Indonesia at the moment and the flag ceremonies make me hella uncomfortable at times. There's military marches and salutes and standing in rank and file rows involved for public servants and students, down to elementary. It's all really eerie imagery to see. It makes the American thing look tame. Independence Day just came and went and that's cranked up to 10. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Aug 26, 2011 |
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RagnarokAngel posted:There's way worse honestly. I'm in Indonesia at the moment and the flag ceremonies make me hella uncomfortable at times. There's military marches and salutes and standing in rank and file rows involved for public servants and students, down to elementary. It's all really eerie imagery to see. It makes the American thing look tame. My favorite part about the pledge of allegiance is that it was instituted by people who seemed to believe that communists were some sort of vampire like creatures that would burst into flames at the very mention of the word God.
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Ashcans posted:As someone who immigrated to the US, the pledge of allegiance is really weird and creepy. This also applies to the fever-pitch that American patriotism can reach and the whole FLAGSFLAGSFLAGS thing. This is the only place I've ever been (or heard of) where people put up flagpoles in their yard because they love the flag so loving much. I've seen quite a few British and Australian flags here by immigrants who are proud of their heritage. The Australian guy that works down the hall has a license plate on the front of his car that's an Australian flag.
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vxskud posted:My favorite part about the pledge of allegiance is that it was instituted by people who seemed to believe that communists were some sort of vampire like creatures that would burst into flames at the very mention of the word God. Not to excuse it, but it was a totally different time growing up during the cold war. I went through the school system in the 60's-70's and we all thought we were going to either die fighting the Soviets or be burned to a crisp when they nuked us (and we nuked them). I grew up in a major city in the midwest and our newspaper used to print out maps detailing blast effects and fallout if a nuclear bomb hit the center of the city. Yeah....it was a hosed up time back then. The terrorist threat now is totally different, but I don't think many people think they would be a victim of Al Queda unless you live in Washington, NY or LA. Back the, we all thought one day we would be living in fallout shelters. The Olympics were better back then though.
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True, the fear was real. But did people really believe that adding "under God" to the pledge would stop the nuclear holocaust? I mean obviously someone did, but surely there were people going "I'm pretty sure we're not going to all turn into Communists if we don't say 'under God'".
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Sarion posted:True, the fear was real. But did people really believe that adding "under God" to the pledge would stop the nuclear holocaust? I mean obviously someone did, but surely there were people going "I'm pretty sure we're not going to all turn into Communists if we don't say 'under God'". From my understanding, it was more of "if you don't want to add 'under God' you were a commie.
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Vladimir Putin posted:The Olympics were better back then though. Why? Less commercialization? The East Germans?
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Pfirti86 posted:Why? Less commercialization? The East Germans? Better rivalries.
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just saw this on facebookquote:NYPD FDNY AND EMS OFFICERS WERE NOT INVITED TO THE TENTH ANNIVERSARY CEREMONY OF 9/11... MAYOR BLOOMBERG CLAIMS THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THEM... 10 YEARS AGO, THEY WEREN'T INVITED BUT THEY SHOWED UP!!! RE-POST IF YOU AGREE THEY SHOULD BE THERE Any links? Snopes doesn't have it yet.
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Ashcans posted:As someone who immigrated to the US, the pledge of allegiance is really weird and creepy. This also applies to the fever-pitch that American patriotism can reach and the whole FLAGSFLAGSFLAGS thing. This is the only place I've ever been (or heard of) where people put up flagpoles in their yard because they love the flag so loving much. I was taken to my first baseball game recently. During the seventh inning break everyone suddenly stood up, hand over heart and said the pledge of allegiance (I think that's what it was, it might have been America the Beautiful or summat). Then I got called out for being weird for asking the person I was with, why during a sports game we all had to display some strange joint nationalism.
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Defenestration posted:just saw this on facebook http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/17/911-first-responders-snubbed-for-10th-anniversary/ http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/08/15/first-responders-snubbed-not-invited-to-911-ceremony/ I remember reading something about the ceremony having limited space and being aimed at families of victims, rather than responders.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Not to excuse it, but it was a totally different time growing up during the cold war. I went through the school system in the 60's-70's and we all thought we were going to either die fighting the Soviets or be burned to a crisp when they nuked us (and we nuked them). I grew up in a major city in the midwest and our newspaper used to print out maps detailing blast effects and fallout if a nuclear bomb hit the center of the city. Yeah....it was a hosed up time back then. The terrorist threat now is totally different, but I don't think many people think they would be a victim of Al Queda unless you live in Washington, NY or LA. Back the, we all thought one day we would be living in fallout shelters. Didn't a report come out a few years after 9/11 that suggested that most Americans are more afraid of dying now vs during the cold war? Something to do with the perceived instability and lack of clearly defined "sides" in the post 9/11 era vs the relative perceived stability of the USA vs USSR of the cold war.
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