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If the primer is fuzzy, strip them. The primer "skunked" on you and painting them will be a nightmare.
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You could also have sprayed from too far away.
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PaintVagrant posted:If the primer is fuzzy, strip them. The primer "skunked" on you and painting them will be a nightmare. I'm not going to do anything that drastic until I try to paint one, and at that point I might just consider selling them at a loss on ebay.
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I had that happen to a bunch of models once. I went over them with a toothbrush to get rid of the worst of the grain; there's no great solution that I know of, but my resulting paintjob works fine for tabletop quality (which is all that I paint to) and fits in fine with the rest of my army. For really good painters... might not be workable.
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So it looks like USAriadna gets two different biker troops. The Mavericks and Desperados. Carlos said the Mavericks were more disciplined (and can be FOs), while the Desperados were wild. Sounds like both flavors of Impetuous. Also, exclusive Gencon Van Zant model available this month. With a new Van Zant released sometime later.
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Having put a wash on one, I think it's just toothier than my other primers and what I expected, rather than actually fuzzing up. Having said that, holy poo poo these models have so much detail. I've never felt so intimidated by a model but then I've only ever painted heroic scale.
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ijyt posted:Having put a wash on one, I think it's just toothier than my other primers and what I expected, rather than actually fuzzing up. Having said that, holy poo poo these models have so much detail. I've never felt so intimidated by a model but then I've only ever painted heroic scale. If you want to feel bad about yourself: paint an Infinity miniature. On the flip side, you'll sharpen your painting skills a lot in the process, and be really good at painting heroic scale stuff afterwards.
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I can confirm. I have Infinity minis lie around unpainted for months because I want to do them justice and can't find the time/effort/will to do them properly. OTOH, I can assemble and paint a Malifaux starter with no problem, those are easy mode 
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 Looks like you can see new profiles when they flipped the page in the unboxing video.
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Wait so Grunts are AVA 2 but the set comes with 3 models??
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The USAriadna sectorial is included in the box (and soon to be online). They are AVA total in the sectorial. edit: 
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Not sure how I feel about 19 points for ARM 3 bikes with MSV1 smoke launchers and FO all for .5 swc.
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Cyclomatic posted:Not sure how I feel about 19 points for ARM 3 bikes with MSV1 smoke launchers and FO all for .5 swc. How do you feel about 5 of them, +4 Foxtrot FOs, + a Marauder Haris link with HRL, + a main Grunt link, + some lower-grade Desperado bikes? Should fit in 300 with points to spare
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Cyclomatic posted:If you want to feel bad about yourself: paint an Infinity miniature. Pierzak posted:I can confirm. I have Infinity minis lie around unpainted for months because I want to do them justice and can't find the time/effort/will to do them properly. OTOH, I can assemble and paint a Malifaux starter with no problem, those are easy mode It's going pretty good so far, but we'll see once it's past the basecoat stage. Also, Darksphere got the USAriadna pack for £56 so that's sealed the deal.
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USAriadna pack comes out to about 165 points. Give or take.
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Pierzak posted:How do you feel about 5 of them, +4 Foxtrot FOs, + a Marauder Haris link with HRL, + a main Grunt link, + some lower-grade Desperado bikes? Should fit in 300 with points to spare   Ordered the Army Box and a 112 for good measure. long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Swagger Dagger posted:
I'm excited by the possibility that they will do one of these for upcoming sectoral releases. Like, that new Haqq one that's been rumored...
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OB_Juan posted:I'm excited by the possibility that they will do one of these for upcoming sectoral releases. Like, that new Haqq one that's been rumored... This box is exactly how I want them to release new sectorials. The only thing that could be slightly tricky is if the sectorial somehow relies on rules from the next book. Although I think they should likely just push the relevant rules into the box. Instead of pooling all their marketing thunder into one book release (which their living rules format makes unnecessary), they just push it out piece by piece as each one is ready.
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OB_Juan posted:I'm excited by the possibility that they will do one of these for upcoming sectoral releases. Like, that new Haqq one that's been rumored... Or the Invincible Army / Huang Di. You know, China is a huge untapped market too
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To clarify, the bike will be available later as a different sculpt, right? USAriadna is calling me, but wondering if I should just wait and dip in with the starter pack later on.
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My understanding from the video: That specific sculpt is only in the starter box, just like the Father Knight or Reverend Healer in Icestorm. The dismounted biker is the pre-order bonus, just like the Corp Security Lady in Icestorm. So there will be other Maverick Bike sculpts later on.
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Also they've confirmed that the pre-order exclusive miniature is available from any store that offers the pre-order.
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Also, in case anyone missed it, there is a limited edition GenCon Van Zant on sale from now until GenCon. There will be a different resculpt of Van Zant released later.
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Going back to chat about Infinity models being difficult to paint, I was watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5guvQH1zk About half an hour in he's talking about the order he's choosing to paint different colors on the model, as in armor first then cloth or vice-versa, and concludes with "... do whatever you think is easier. It's an Infinity model, so if you're not precise, you might as well just give up." I just looked at my PanO and sighed.
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http://www.beastsofwar.com/infinity/usariadna-troop-profiles-army-list/ Some profiles!
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Springfield Fatts posted:I wonder if it's really the detail of the model itself, or the fact that on the box of everything you buy is an example by one of the best painters in the world mocking you with how subpar your best efforts will seem in comparison.
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A couple of the players in my blood bowl league play this so I decided to have a look since I like skirmish games and 40K never felt worth it to me. I have decided that I like shaswasti exp force for the look of them and esp. for their predator-like skirmishers. Could I get some hints on how to build a 150 point list based on the starter and what I need to grow it to 200 and 300? I paint slowly so I figured I'd start out with buying 300 pts and then add stuff for variation once I know the rules. Preferably with many skirmishers.
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Don't buy the starter; it has no unique units compared to blisters, and Seed Soldiers while being very alien-pretty models are overcosted as gently caress  Sorry to say that, but with the new command token mechanics there's little reason to go pure Shasvastii, as opposed to Shas-heavy vanilla CA list. If you still want to, I hope you like converting. Models to buy: Aswang combi - absolute best Shasvastii LT, loadout non-existent on a model so either swap arms (BS Aswang with combi Cadmus), or just proxy the BS/spit Aswang as a combi one. Shrouded - you want at least 2, possibly 3 if you have the points. Combi/FO, specialist workhorses for ITS. If you're not playing ITS you want 2 minelayers. Malignos - get 1 combi 1 sniper, if possible grab the OOP combi model from the old starter (remember to check for the alternative head variant) as well, if not just use the hacker. They're better hacker than Shrouded anyway and you'll want one for drones. Q-drones - awesome murderbots, take 2 because it's the biggest advantage of Shasvastii sectorial. M-Drones - I assume you'll have one left from the first drone box, they're good. You already have infiltrating specialists up the wazoo, but this gives you sensor and triangulated fire to combat TO Camo (Shasvastii don't get visors) Wormbot aka Medtech Obsidian Bananoid - gives you doctor and engineer options, useful for ITS, less so in firefights because most of your stuff is organic and has vampirism or automedkits. Noctifer - 3 roles: ML - ARO "gently caress you" sniper, spitfire as basic offensive rambo unit, hacker if you don't take an infiltrating one (gives you access to drones and can Marksmanship-buff a Q if you wanna send one on a rampage) Haiduk - generic static sniper; foxhole generates its own cover so you can put it where you don't have partial cover pieces. Upgrade to SMSR is pricy but can be very good since you're probably gonna have a million FOs anyway. Ikadrons, R-Drones - orderbots; Ikadrons get placed on flanks so any airborne infiltratorts get a belch of napalm in the face, Rs cover empty spaces with flash pulses and repeaters (ARO-hacking). Sphinx - what passes for heavy firepower in Shasvastii. For when you want to go on a rampage. Gwailo - take HRL for anti-camo/ODD support. All variants are fun in boarding action maps too. The spitfire is a stupid mini that will fall over from a stern look if you don't do an arm swap. Shaskiin - strong, pricy. Cadmus - either drop behind someone and bait them into triggering the mine, or deploy without AD in your DZ, scan Sheskiin and you suddenly have a cheap BS 15 LGL Speculo Killer - strong specialized terror unit or designated VIP-killer. Very useful, if fragile. That's for pure Shas. If you're OK with going vanilla with Shas component, just apply the above and back them up with (pick and choose) - an MSV (Maakrep or Ko Dali or Charontid if you have points to spare) - 2 chain Daturazi for smoke screen and melee harassment - a proper AD unit (Ko Dali/Fractaa/Rasyat) - something heavy (Charontid HMG LT, TAG, Suryat HRL) - an Umbra hacker (because if you're gonna take one might as well pay for HD+ and a bunch of stats) ed: shat out a list:  Shasvastii Expeditionary Force────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1   8  0  0 ASWANG Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (25) SHROUDED Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30) MALIGNOS MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 42) SPECULO KILLER Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW, Knife. (1 | 34) Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26) M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (17) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9) SEED-SOLDIER (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (15)4 SWC | 198 Points Open with Army 5 Pierzak fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Springfield Fatts posted:I wonder if it's really the detail of the model itself, or the fact that on the box of everything you buy is an example by one of the best painters in the world mocking you with how subpar your best efforts will seem in comparison. Yup, I'm one model in to my 12 aleph and I'm already sighing. I'll just learn what not to do before USAriadna arrives. So far I've learned that "don't paint white" is still true.
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Cyclomatic posted:
Interesting, looks like the Dog warriors are Devil Dog teams? That would mean new dog warrior models. I do like how ariadna is getting some more antipod models / dog warrior models. I like the new release but I am a bit worried if this is the future trend. Seems very expensive and also is only for one army.
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Exmond posted:Interesting, looks like the Dog warriors are Devil Dog teams? That would mean new dog warrior models. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep releasing new sectorials this way, but I don't think they're going to move to this kind of release schedule for everything. Another 2-player box might make sense someday, since Operation Icestorm was a success from everything I've read.
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I can't help but think that USArianda takes the tournament lunch money from practically any other sectorial out there. Forward Deployment Haris with HRL and specialist, plus 19 point biker specialists with smoke, plus the usual Ariadna specialty of infiltrating camo specialists. It's an ITS wet dream. With that in mind, I'm thinking that HSN3 is going to show some serious buffs to the underperforming sectorial armies. e: I forgot that the bikers get MSV1 too. That's insane. Are we finally seeing power creep? e2: And they're normal Impetuous, not Extreme Impetuous. Holy moly. Maybe it won't matter that much since Ariadna already has access to smoke and lots of access to cheap infiltrating specialists, so they don't really need bike specialists like JSA does. I hope that's the case. e3: The Marauder HRL has MSV1. It just keeps getting better. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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The other bikes are Extreme-Imp I'm not crying power creep just yet, but I've heard rumors that USAriadna was horribly OP in tests. And here we go, a very strong face of what was already the strongest ITS faction. We'll see if the new book balances it out. But I'm still pissed off after the N3 release and learning that Steel Phallus was balanced for N3 from the start and hence confirmed undercosted compared to other factions; Tohaa too, but they had different bonuses like iKhol geared against new MA, so it affected them to a lesser extent. And I'm getting an army pack too, plus 2 extra Foxtrots and Marauders. Got an itch to start Ariadna for a while and I like the minis. And if it turns out to be power creep I'll run some hard-porn lists on tournaments for a while and stop buying new things altogether.
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Mechanically I love almost everything about USAriadna. In terms of models, though, the Grunts are passable and I like the bike design (much more so than Haqq bikes). The rest doesn't do it for me, so no Union Army for me. I think that we'll be seeing an awful lot of them though, so I'm sure I'll get to see how they work from the other side.
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Corbeau posted:I can't help but think that USArianda takes the tournament lunch money from practically any other sectorial out there. Forward Deployment Haris with HRL and specialist, plus 19 point biker specialists with smoke, plus the usual Ariadna specialty of infiltrating camo specialists. It's an ITS wet dream. The MSV1 HRL/Assault Pistol Marauder is just ludicrous. I mean, he's basically a pocket Phoenix in a faction which has tons of super-cheap ways of pumping orders into dudes, and people bitch about Phoenix all the time as being way good. Imagine being able to take 3.
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MJ12 posted:The MSV1 HRL/Assault Pistol Marauder is just ludicrous. I mean, he's basically a pocket Phoenix in a faction which has tons of super-cheap ways of pumping orders into dudes, and people bitch about Phoenix all the time as being way good. Not that worried about 3, they're 2 SWC each IIRC. And no ODD. Still, a HRL Haris will probably be a must-have.
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Pierzak posted:Not that worried about 3, they're 2 SWC each IIRC. And no ODD. Still, a HRL Haris will probably be a must-have. Nope, 1.5|26.  Phoenix does have ODD but he lacks the MSV1 (ODD is better but having that MSV1 can be useful), frenzies (even if you're probably using him in SP and thus can control it via linkteams) and costs 2|35 instead of 1.5|26. Phoenix is far more versatile (faster, ODD, actually has BTS, quite capable in CC, NWI instead of Dogged) but Steel Phalanx is generally going to have a much harder time pumping orders into Phoenix and his team than USAriadna is probably going to have pumping orders into Marauders. The Ariadnan weakness was generally "they have tons of orders but their individual soldiers are generally subpar so they need those orders to do poo poo," things like the Marauder might shake up that balance.
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Pierzak posted:I'm not crying power creep just yet, but I've heard rumors that USAriadna was horribly OP in tests. And here we go, a very strong face of what was already the strongest ITS faction. I'm not crying power creep either, but I'm a bit concerned. My fear is that they think USAriadna is their ticket into the American market and they are letting that blind them to things. If they were afraid to have the sectorial be under performing and therefore 'bad' and they think that will cost them in NA, then that could have resulted in some poor decisions. Which I think would ultimately be a big mistake, as Americans really like balanced things in general. Of course they might be fine in practice. In general I think they are vastly overestimating how much Americans care about 'Murica though.
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