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Prius prime is the result of decades of driving appliance research. If you want the cheapest to operate, most reliable road can opener, buy it.
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I would buy a bolt if it had ventilated seats
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Jul 19, 2017 01:17
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stevewm posted:It's not even available everywhere yet. You can only buy it in 5(?) states right now. Though it's supposed to go nationwide in August. Maybe that wasn't a great plan... And FistEnergy posted:It's kind of ugly and apparently the interior quality is bad, but they nailed the powertrain, range, and regenerative braking and that's what actually matters. This is same that company that gave us a Volt dressed as a Cadillac and was mad it didn't sell.
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Jul 19, 2017 02:04
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What are the chances the Model 3 is going to be any better with regard to interior and build quality? The S and X certainly don’t leave me hopeful
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Jul 19, 2017 02:09
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I am completely conflicted about the Model 3 because the screen-only dash looks weird and awkward but the exterior styling and glass roof make me want to throw my wallet at Musk
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Jul 19, 2017 02:12
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The exterior styling is good now? Maybe compared to a Bolt or new Prius I guess you could say that but only comparatively.
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Jul 19, 2017 02:14
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I always liked it. I think for the general shape you need to minimize resistance it's about as good as it can get.
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Jul 19, 2017 02:26
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The Bolt simply looks like the dealers dont want to sell it or some stupid poo poo. 1980's compact cars all over again. dissss posted:What are the chances the Model 3 is going to be any better with regard to interior and build quality? Pretty good, given the hiring Tesla did. A lot of emphasis on quality control management and production line speed. Plus the first Model 3's are very limited in options so they clearly know they have to get this one right so no stupidity like the falcon doors that gently caress things up. Also seems to be the case Tesla are somewhat bettering their planned production ramp up - there's quite a few more than just the 30 that are planned to be delivered on July 28 (Something like 350 full production cars are now done?). That's a pretty good signal they are happy with whats coming off the line.
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Jul 19, 2017 02:53
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Quite a few goons see fit to talk poo poo and try to demean Tesla because Elon Musk missed a few milestones that he was wildly optimistic on. I don't see any of you starting an electric car company from scratch and producing a mass market model. It will be funny to see the stock shorts go belly up as the Model 3 begins to rollout.
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The Sicilian posted:Quite a few goons see fit to talk poo poo and try to demean Tesla because Elon Musk missed a few milestones that he was wildly optimistic on. PBUE
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The Sicilian posted:Welp looks like the bolt is making GBS threads the bed, inventories continue to build as sales fade.  The gently caress are you basing this on?
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Jul 19, 2017 04:56
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Godholio posted:
http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/chevrolet-bolt-ev/chevrolet-bolt-ev-sales-numbers/ 
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Whoops wrong thread
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Jul 19, 2017 05:16
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Powershift posted:http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/chevrolet-bolt-ev/chevrolet-bolt-ev-sales-numbers/ Is that bad for EV sold in five states? What where the sales targets?
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It should be really interesting to see how things stack up at the lower end of the BEV market. In a few months we'll have the specs and prices for the Model 3 and refreshed Leaf versus the Bolt that's already out. I suspect the Bolt will look better in comparison once we actually know the stats versus what we're just imagining them to be, but who knows, Tesla might surprise.
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Jul 19, 2017 06:41
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Regardless it'd be an extremely bad time to buy right now so I'm not surprised at the Bolt dipping
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Pretty sure anyone who's on the fence about getting an EV at the moment is waiting to see how the Model 3 turns out, which contributes to poor sales across the whole segment.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Also seems to be the case Tesla are somewhat bettering their planned production ramp up - there's quite a few more than just the 30 that are planned to be delivered on July 28 (Something like 350 full production cars are now done?). That's a pretty good signal they are happy with whats coming off the line. This is the first I've heard this. It's been a week and a half since Musk showed the first production vehicle. And we're another week and a half out from the delivery event, which if we just double that number, we get 700 cars being delivered in July. That's 2300% higher than they claimed would be produced, which seems a bit strange.
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Godholio posted:
Reality, and experience with GM in the past. DoLittle posted:Is that bad for EV sold in five states? What where the sales targets? I said this earlier, but they expected the demand in these states to eclipse that of production capacity (taking battery constraints into consideration) and were very conservative on the rollout of the Bolt. Pretty dire decision to make when EVs are just gaining steam and the model 3; which is about to eat their lunch. EDIT: PBUE
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My wife works at a university in western NY and they're offering the additional $10k off sticker for a 2017 Leaf that other states/utility companys/etc have been offering earlier in the year. - She currently drives an 02 Echo (her second Echo(echo) actually) that is worth nothing so there is no trade-in for this purchase. - Her commute is 22miles round trip - My commute is also ~20 miles RT - She has the ability to charge at work* - She would have to pay an extra $130 a year for reserve parking, up from the current $70 a year for access to the spots with chargers but they are much better parking spots. - We currently have 3 personal vehicles, one being a summer only car. The Leaf would replace the Echo(echo). Cost of the SV model after $10k "rebate" +$1.2k NYS rebate + tax & title is $25k out the door. Add in the $7500 federal tax credit come next ~Feburary, total cost of the car is $17.5. My main concern is instant loss of all resale value. If the 2018 Leaf turns out to be a 180 to 250mile range, in 4 or 5 years, who would buy a 2017 model compared to a 2018? This would drive the resale 2017 and pre models into the ground. Add into that new the EV's like the Bolt and Tesla 3, these will also reduce any resale value. So EV people, if given the chance, would you take a slight more than 50% discounted brand new SV trim Leaf knowing that the resale value will be garbage in 4-5 years?
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atothesquiz posted:
With that commute and those parking options, abso-flippin-lutely(lutely). Get a car you want own for a good while, as cheap as you can. All EVs are going to have poo poo resale after 4-5 years, a 2017 Model 3 as well, due in part to the constant development and spec wars which are well underway. If you're not stretching the budget, get the premium package as well. Nice sound system and reverse/360 camera.
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It makes very little sense from a purely financial standpoint, but if she's wanting to drive something nicer, it's obviously a good option.
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The Sicilian posted:Maybe that wasn't a great plan... The interior quality of the Bolt is way better than any Tesla I've driven.
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drgitlin posted:The interior quality of the Bolt is way better than any Tesla I've driven. Cool story, how many bolts have you driven? The sales number tell all there* is to know. The Sicilian fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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borkencode posted:This is the first I've heard this. It's been a week and a half since Musk showed the first production vehicle. And we're another week and a half out from the delivery event, which if we just double that number, we get 700 cars being delivered in July. That's 2300% higher than they claimed would be produced, which seems a bit strange. Car makers dont deliver as they build tho - they tend to stockpile and deliver to various locations in batches. So while the first 30 will be delivered on the 28th, they will most likely shortly after get the delivery batches organised and done. And also, the optics of a parking lot full of new Teslas will look pretty good at the delivery event, wont it? Plus it does make sense there's more than just 30 cars - 2-3 cars a day down the line in three weeks? Nah, if the production line is doing what they want and the training is going well for employees, I can see that there's more built than the first 30
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atothesquiz posted:My wife works at a university in western NY and they're offering the additional $10k off sticker for a 2017 Leaf that other states/utility companys/etc have been offering earlier in the year. Between the 2 year lease and the buyout, I'll pay about $24,500 for my 2013 SL (max option). Can't imagine the 2018 can affect what the resale is on these though, it is already rapid. I'd think better deals on 2017 models will pop up. Worth waiting if you can, since the commute is short enough to cover work and errands.
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Jul 20, 2017 23:11
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The Sicilian posted:Cool story, how many bolts have you driven? God you're insufferable.
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The Sicilian posted:Cool story, how many bolts have you driven? Can you cheer for another car instead? You're making me hate my car.
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atothesquiz posted:My wife works at a university in western NY and they're offering the additional $10k off sticker for a 2017 Leaf that other states/utility companys/etc have been offering earlier in the year. What's the deal with this one? Does it apply to only a purchase, not a lease?
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:God you're insufferable. Dude I couldn't care less, next. Subjunctive posted:Can you cheer for another car instead? You're making me hate my car. Dumping on the Chevy bolt isn't quite "cheering" for the model s. Put me ignore if you're so inclined. In other news I have delayed acquiring a BMW i3 due to the rumored increase in range to around 200 miles. I would easily pick one up with this range without a gas engine. The Sicilian fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ The bolt seems to be selling just fine to me considering its limited rollout and the volt is available on the same lot.
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The Sicilian posted:Cool story, how many bolts have you driven? Pretty sure that dude has driven at least one bolt considering what his job is
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If the Bolt isn't selling as well as GM anticipated, it's probably because nobody knew there was a new car out. They had two perfectly good names for electric cars in Volt and Ampera, but instead they decided to use them both on one car (the Ampera is what the Volt is called in Europe). So now we're stuck with GM USA selling the Volt and the Bolt, and GM Europe selling the Ampera and Ampera-E. Clear as mud. 
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Jul 21, 2017 02:00
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They should have named it the testi.
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Jul 21, 2017 02:03
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There's tons of available electrical names. Resistance? Reactance? Impedance? Inductor? Capacitor? Diode? Hell, even Chevy Switch sounds kinda good.
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FistEnergy posted:There's tons of available electrical names. Resistance? Reactance? Impedance? Inductor? Capacitor? Diode? Hell, even Chevy Switch sounds kinda good. I don't think they want anybody mentioning switches and chevy in the same breath.
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FistEnergy posted:There's tons of available electrical names. Resistance? Reactance? Impedance? Inductor? Capacitor? Diode? Hell, even Chevy Switch sounds kinda good. Chevrolet Ohm. Sell it to the yoga crowd.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Pretty sure that dude has driven at least one bolt considering what his job is That's my point, there's a possibility GM sent him a ringer that was specially looked after from the factory line to press evaluation. Making comments that amount to the Bolt's interior being better than any Tesla interior is A. an opinion & B. somewhat of a provocative one he's treating as objectively right. Agree to disagree, the Bolt is not a compelling offering. The Sicilian fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Or you could just stop. You don't like it. Fine. I don't either, but I don't need to be making unfounded accusations to back up my opinions.
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