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JewKiller 3000 posted:at my company we made an offer to a guy and he asked for some more time to consider it. the ceo was like "no, i've seen this before, he's trying to use our offer to get a better one from another company. it's now or never" so the guy chose now and accepted our offer. after eating up 3 weeks of training time, he got a better offer from whatever other company it was, and peaced out with no notice. ceo sure was pissed lol! your CEO just received an object lesson in why timebombed offers are dumb as gently caress
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JewKiller 3000 posted:at my company we made an offer to a guy and he asked for some more time to consider it. the ceo was like "no, i've seen this before, he's trying to use our offer to get a better one from another company. it's now or never" so the guy chose now and accepted our offer. after eating up 3 weeks of training time, he got a better offer from whatever other company it was, and peaced out with no notice. ceo sure was pissed lol! pwned
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The one time I was pressured for time hard with an offer I took it, and then backed out like a week later. Didn't waste anybody's money, but did waste their time starting paperwork and poo poo, but well, there you go fuckos.
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Rex-Goliath posted:pwned
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:The one time I was pressured for time hard with an offer I took it, and then backed out like a week later. Didn't waste anybody's money, but did waste their time starting paperwork and poo poo, but well, there you go fuckos. I, too, have done this. probably one of my best career decisions to date. i think my laptop was in transit but they recalled it before it hit my doorstep
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:The one time I was pressured for time hard with an offer I took it, and then backed out like a week later. Didn't waste anybody's money, but did waste their time starting paperwork and poo poo, but well, there you go fuckos. I failed to do this once (I turned the timebomb down because gently caress off) and it didn't pay off. From now on I'll take the first offer I get and then quit if I get my actual offer through.
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Yeah honestly the downsides of doing it a few times are basically non-existent oh well guess I can't work at that place anymore (probably)
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JewKiller 3000 posted:at my company we made an offer to a guy and he asked for some more time to consider it. the ceo was like "no, i've seen this before, he's trying to use our offer to get a better one from another company. it's now or never" so the guy chose now and accepted our offer. after eating up 3 weeks of training time, he got a better offer from whatever other company it was, and peaced out with no notice. ceo sure was pissed lol! This is just good capitalistic behaviour. Gotta maximize your profits no matter what!
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How often do third party recruiters actually have a position I couldn't just find on Indeed or the company's website?
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huhu posted:How often do third party recruiters actually have a position I couldn't just find on Indeed or the company's website? Never. There only useful for getting a foot in with the hiring manager, that is only if they're trusted by the hiring manager.
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huhu posted:How often do third party recruiters actually have a position I couldn't just find on Indeed or the company's website? Related question: is it bad if I go around a recruiter and apply to a clearly visible job opening even if I first heard about it from said recruiter?
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qhat posted:Having to explain your work experience to some recruiter on the phone seems like an utter waste of time. 95% of the time they have no idea what you're talking about. Smart person: Why didn't you use a standard interface library already like cppdb? 
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defending (your) technical decisions is an important skill though the best part is when you're customer facing and need to think up defenses of either legacy code or decisions you personally think are dumb
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ThePeavstenator posted:Related question: is it bad if I go around a recruiter and apply to a clearly visible job opening even if I first heard about it from said recruiter? No, you don't owe recruiters anything because they sent you a cold email out of the blue. Unless it's an internal recruiter in which case why go around them at all
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PokeJoe posted:No, you don't owe recruiters anything because they sent you a cold email out of the blue. Unless it's an internal recruiter in which case why go around them at all I've been taking with this guy for about a week and he's sent me a few "opportunities" that turned out to be public postings. Seems like a bit of a dick move but I guess it's fair.
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if the recruiter is at a contract agency there's a good chance what they have is exclusive [but that's only if you're willing to work contract]
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ratbert90 posted:Smart person: Legacy code, limited resources, things of this nature would be my answer to that
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ThePeavstenator posted:I've been taking with this guy for about a week and he's sent me a few "opportunities" that turned out to be public postings. Seems like a bit of a dick move but I guess it's fair. If it's public then you don't need to go through them, unless you feel you wouldn't get through shortlisting without that direct contact with the hiring manager. That's honestly where the only value is, and it's not even a dick move to go around them if you don't need/want that. qhat fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Schadenboner posted:A guy was hired along with me but ghosted on our start date. you report to me im pretty sure. lmao.
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get back to work. I assigned a youtrack ticket to you.
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qhat posted:Having to explain your work experience to some recruiter on the phone seems like an utter waste of time. 95% of the time they have no idea what you're talking about. actually a test to see how well you can explain technical knowledge to a dumbass
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dragon enthusiast posted:actually a test to see how well you can explain technical knowledge to a dumbass i guess we can just pretend that every indepth technical concept can be explained to someone with a very cursory understanding of technology. there's a reason i use worthless car analogies when explaining my job to friends, and not a true explanation of what i do.
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I'm going to feel like poo poo until I hear back from these people. then I'll either be super excited or drink myself into a stupor. interviewing and job hopping is turning me bipolar
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I've got like 4 interviews lined up atm and one I'm waiting to hear back from, and I'm still anxious that I'm not doing enough.
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qhat posted:i guess we can just pretend that every indepth technical concept can be explained to someone with a very cursory understanding of technology yes? if you can't that's on you when i was staffing up a team i worked with an internal recruiter and got great results after working at it. she provided a batch of resumes, we filtered out the handful we wanted to talk to. after a couple cycles she was really nailing the kind of folks we needed, several productive rounds after that. it took abstracting our needs and communicating to someone outside the engineering silo, being willing to do that work had good results but really, taking someone who's nominally aligned to your incentives and blaming them for your poo poo ability to communicate your previous roles to anyone outside a highly specific niche doesn't hurt anyone but you. go hog wild!
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qhat posted:i guess we can just pretend that every indepth technical concept can be explained to someone with a very cursory understanding of technology. there's a reason i use worthless car analogies when explaining my job to friends, and not a true explanation of what i do. i explained my current project using tax forms as a metaphor on sunday and it worked pretty well
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JawnV6 posted:yes? if you can't that's on you I'm sorry but I still just do not trust external recruiters (which, by the way, is the kind of recruiters we're talking about) to be able to relay what I'm telling them in a way that's meaningful or accurate to a hiring manager. Internal recruiters are entirely different kettles of fish and I know when I get contact by someone internal, I'm almost always getting an interview.
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qhat posted:i guess we can just pretend that every indepth technical concept can be explained to someone with a very cursory understanding of technology. there's a reason i use worthless car analogies when explaining my job to friends, and not a true explanation of what i do. it takes a few minutes, but I've managed to explain container orchestration to my parents so honestly it shouldn't be that hard for you par
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FamDav posted:it takes a few minutes, but I've managed to explain container orchestration to my parents so honestly it shouldn't be that hard for you par i want to hear this
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again, not their fault you can’t describe how you spend 40 hours a week without relying on shared knowledge and jargon. you can pretend that’s the case of it spares your ego but don’t be surprised nobody buys your bs perhaps you could take a communication course?
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cis autodrag posted:qhats gimmick is being angry computer guy same
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JawnV6 posted:again, not their fault you can’t describe how you spend 40 hours a week without relying on shared knowledge and jargon. you can pretend that’s the case of it spares your ego but don’t be surprised nobody buys your bs Shut up idiot
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my boss yesterday : people usually get here around 945 me today at 830: oh he was being serious.
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i mean, yeah, welcome to the valley 
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yeah basically if you can't explain what you do, it's not because it's beyond the ken of mortal men, it's that you don't know how to communicate or teach properly being good at teaching is a learned skill just like anything else and if you haven't bothered to learn it, it's your problem when you can't explain things effectively to others this is one of the manifold reasons why "smartest guy in the room" syndrome runs rampant in tech, dorkuses don't bother to learn how to talk to other people and they think it's a failure on the part of others
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anime dogtits
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cis autodrag posted:my boss yesterday : people usually get here around 945 ugh late starts make it way harder to schedule doing stuff in the evening
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