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You could have hired the best show runners in all of history and they still would have foundered as soon as they ran into the book 4 and 5 material.
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Yeah, to be fair they actually did a good job on seasons 1-3 (and some of 4), even when they were creating scenes that werent on the books
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Feb 26, 2021 23:45
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Elias_Maluco posted:Yeah, to be fair they actually did a good job on seasons 1-3 (and some of 4), adding scenes of prostitutes because they thought the audience was too stupid to follow the story without constant jiggling tits
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Feb 26, 2021 23:48
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I was talking about scenes like Cersei talking to Robert and some others edit: the tits scenes were dumb, but I guess thats more of a requirement from HBO
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Feb 26, 2021 23:50
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Were they wrong though?
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Feb 26, 2021 23:53
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hobbesmaster posted:Were they wrong though? Considering the tits disappeared and people still followed the plot, yes?
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Feb 27, 2021 00:03
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You could have hired the best show runners in all of history and they still would have foundered as soon as they ran into the book 4 and 5 material. I mean, they had the right idea in principle--"everything from here onward sucks, let's write our own ending and hang glide to wealth, adulation, and prestige the likes of which will probably never be achieved again for a long time to come"--only they lacked the talent to actually pull it off.
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Feb 27, 2021 00:03
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You could have hired the best show runners in all of history and they still would have foundered as soon as they ran into the book 4 and 5 material.
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Feb 27, 2021 00:07
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Kellanved posted:But I try to keep in mind that they must have had some contribution to its initial insane success. A lot of the info out there says otherwise. People who worked on the show would talk about how D&D were in completely over their heads, couldn't stick to a budget because they were delusional about what things would cost, had trouble with pacing, didn't understand how costumes worked, etc. The thing was, those people were telling the stories at the peak of the show's popularity, so they came across as, "oh, funny! look how much they learned on the job!" and not, "oh, they were lucky as gently caress to be surrounded by a structure that could cover their asses, and the more of that structure they lost, the clearer it became that they were still in over their heads." Now, the needle points a lot more toward that "lucky as gently caress" side.
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean, they had the right idea in principle--"everything from here onward sucks, let's write our own ending and hang glide to wealth, adulation, and prestige the likes of which will probably never be achieved again for a long time to come"--only they lacked the talent to actually pull it off. IIRC aren't they both the kids of investment bankers or some poo poo? Obviously they wouldn't have been ridiculously wealthy and influential like they are now but dudes weren't hurting for money before GoT either.
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Feb 27, 2021 00:16
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Mat Cauthon posted:IIRC aren't they both the kids of investment bankers or some poo poo? Obviously they wouldn't have been ridiculously wealthy and influential like they are now but dudes weren't hurting for money before GoT either. Yes, and it's kind of appalling how they ended up in charge of the show, and how laughably obviously unprepared and ignorant they were, but their daddies are rich so...
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Feb 27, 2021 00:22
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Mat Cauthon posted:IIRC aren't they both the kids of investment bankers or some poo poo? Obviously they wouldn't have been ridiculously wealthy and influential like they are now but dudes weren't hurting for money before GoT either. David Benioff is yes, in addition to being Amanda Peet’s husband. Dan Weiss actually put the work in to get to where he was, and by that I mean falling in with much more talented elder writers and producers and failing upward on their coattails.
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Feb 27, 2021 00:24
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pseudanonymous posted:Yes, and it's kind of appalling how they ended up in charge of the show, and how laughably obviously unprepared and ignorant they were, but their daddies are rich so...
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Feb 27, 2021 00:35
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mind the walrus posted:There's a good ASoIaF story in this Yeah it is pretty on brand huh RE: Managing budgets, it is an insane process. I can't imagine anyone would be competent at that with out a decade of production experience under their belt.
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Feb 27, 2021 03:09
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It really is clear with hindsight how much of the show's success came from a "just film the books, stupid" approach combined with Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings as a production blueprint, plus a UK team filled with fresh acting talent and seasoned crew who were hungry to make it happen. Also explains why they started to fall apart the instant the scope got too large (e.g: they had to incorporate a significantly different landscape in Dorne).
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do you think rap rock exists in westeros
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Benioff's daddy isn't just rich - he's Stephen Friedman, formerly of Goldman Sachs and powerful economic adviser to both W. Bush and Obama. He was on of the unconscionable scumbags who raped our financial institutions for as much personal wealth as possible, and then cleverly resigned in 2009 just before the poo poo hit the fan and he might have been held responsible for some of his bullshit. Smart guy 
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kaworu posted:Benioff's daddy isn't just rich - he's Stephen Friedman, formerly of Goldman Sachs and powerful economic adviser to both W. Bush and Obama. He was on of the unconscionable scumbags who raped our financial institutions for as much personal wealth as possible, and then cleverly resigned in 2009 just before the poo poo hit the fan and he might have been held responsible for some of his bullshit. Smart guy Dad: I rose to power at one of the most influential banks in the world and helped rig the US economy for profit Son: I took a fat man's book and made it into a tv show, but with more tits.
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TERFherder posted:Dad: I rose to power at one of the most influential banks in the world and helped rig the US economy for profit Please don't sing dragula I'm in trouble with the American public Dad via speakerphone: "conquering the worm"
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TERFherder posted:Dad: I rose to power at one of the most influential banks in the world and helped rig the US economy for profit It’s like what John Adams said, “I study finance so that my children may study tiddies” or whatever
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disjoe posted:It’s like what John Adams said, “I study finance so that my children may study tiddies” or whatever Sit dooooooooown
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TK-42-1 posted:Please don't sing dragula I'm in trouble with the American public Didn't get this reference, not into classic rock
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disjoe posted:It’s like what John Adams said, “I study finance so that my children may study tiddies” or whatever doing a google search for that phrase just returns the saddest things. How do we post images here anymore? Who hosts?
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Does anyone have a good write-up of everything we know about Martin's original plan? Like with the timeskip and everything. I mean I always find it hilarious how the real War of the Roses lasted some thirty years, while this grand epic medieval war with ~five~ kings and way more dudes only lasted, what... 2?
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Mar 1, 2021 18:55
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ya well they didnt have ghosts or magic to kill the other guys in the war of the roses
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Does anyone have a good write-up of everything we know about Martin's original plan? Like with the timeskip and everything. I've read somewhere that the causalities of the battles in GoT doesn't even comes close to matching the real life battles. There's an estimate that seven thousand has died in the show while in the battle of Towtown in 1461 alone there was 40 000 casualties. Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Does anyone have a good write-up of everything we know about Martin's original plan? Like with the timeskip and everything. And despite it taking place over an area around 70 times larger than the war of the roses too. It'd take about 2 years just to get the north's army assembled and march it down to king's landing. Edit: Towton is renowned as a particularly bloody battle and there were probably around 5-10k deaths. Algol Star fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Algol Star posted:And despite it taking place over an area around 70 times larger than the war of the roses too. It'd take about 2 years just to get the north's army assembled and march it down to king's landing. All the numbers in game of thrones are basically just absurdly large. Army size, wall size, population sizes, etc..
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"oh poo poo I made it too tall" -- The American Tolkien
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I love how absurdly enormous the castles are in ASoIaF, to be honest - it's one of my favorite things, that poo poo is just like almost unreasonably big. This is one of my favorite (albeit INSANELY geeky and done by a deeply annoying guy) ASoIaF fan creations - this guy actually constructed a book-accurate representation of Winterfell into a 3D modeling program, and the result is frankly pretty stunning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZdbpfcxfSk More than anything it makes me kinda sad they didn't do an animated adaptation of the series, or something - that way they could have actually done justice to places like Winterfell, Storm's End, Highgarden, Casterly Rock, etc.... The show representations of these places were so woefully underwhelming and inaccurate that it just makes me sad to think about it. Of course they are going to do an animated series about Robert's Rebellion, I've heard, but that could wind up being really good or really bad. kaworu fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Mar 1, 2021 20:41
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I never understood why the wall was so big.
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Mar 1, 2021 20:43
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The castles and the Wall are meant to be these relics emblematic of an age lost when magic allowed for massive engineering, but it doesn't quite come across that way in the show.
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Mar 1, 2021 20:50
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Bob the builder was like let me show you my big dick magic wall.
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Invalid Validation posted:I never understood why the wall was so big. A wizard did it. Seriously, it’s supposed to just be so far beyond anything that is possible during the current age that nobody that hasn’t seen it believes how big it is. kaworu posted:I love how absurdly enormous the castles are in ASoIaF, to be honest - it's one of my favorite things, that poo poo is just like almost unreasonably big. It’s partly because they used real places. I’ve been to “winterfell”, it’s in NI, not far from Belfast. However the standing part of the castle they used still had to be filled in with CG to not be ruins so I have no idea why they restored to look like the actual historic castle instead of something more interesting.
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Invalid Validation posted:I never understood why the wall was so big. The real answer is Martin doesn't have a good sense of scale and is lazy and doesn't actually do much research. He just thought 700 feet sounded big and went with it.
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Mar 1, 2021 21:05
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What is a good size for the wall anyway? Can't be more than 200 ft.
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Mar 1, 2021 21:09
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It was probably a call to make the setting sell visually. Whoever the art director for the vfx team is would have been really resistant to diverging from more accurate scale for fear of things looking fake. Which is another reason why fantasy works better in animation, where you don't have to worry so much about complete verisimilitude when integrating background and foreground elements.
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Mar 1, 2021 21:28
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Hadrians wall was like 15 feet and the great wall of China maxed out at about 26 feet. Even with big dick wizard magic 200 is ridiculously big. Giants arent even that big that they'd need it to be any higher than like 50 feet.
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If the wall is only 50 feet high, building a bunch of ladders long enough to lean against it and climb up becomes viable, and then you've got the potential for large-scale war parties to cross over essentially at will. That doesn't fit the story that GRRM was trying to tell, where the wall is a major (although not insurmountable) obstacle even when undefended. 700 feet is absurd, though, and shows that GRRM doesn't have any sense of scale. Something on the order of 150-200 feet is probably more "reasonable."
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You could have hired the best show runners in all of history and they still would have foundered as soon as they ran into the book 4 and 5 material. The best writers would've probably done the 5 year timeskip and only referenced books 4 and 5 when they had to via quick flashbacks or one-off commentary. Algol Star posted:And despite it taking place over an area around 70 times larger than the war of the roses too. It'd take about 2 years just to get the north's army assembled and march it down to king's landing. It'd assemble and move faster than that, but good luck having a supply line for it without raiding everything within miles of your march like the Greeks and Persians did when warring. A 700ft icewall is the kind of poo poo the best climbers in the world look at and go "well this has a high chance of ending in death but I want those bragging rights." The wildlings who climb it are definitely desperate/insane while the smarter ones probably take the "let's just sneak past it on some rafts on the night of a new moon and take our chances with whatever archers are on guard" route whenever possible. Or maybe dig under the drat thing, but I imagine the wall goes down to the bedrock or the grounds frozen too so you're basically trying to dig through rock instead of magic ice (or maybe both). e: The real question is why/how the wall is a barrier for the Others. They're undead. They could (and going by the one thing Patchface said, do) walk through the sea and the only issues would be if scavengers in the water would try to eat zombies and ice vampires. And if the walkers have a supernatural cold aura about them, they can probably freeze seawater easily enough. Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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