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I'm very angry and hungover. Upped my direct debit to Shelter, joined the SNP, swore at someone on facebook. Still angry. gently caress this stupid union. What's another good charity? Currently give to shelter, amnesty, unicef and BHF and am fortunate enough to have enough disposable income to donate more.
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I'm getting drunk on tonight's office party and see if alcohol poisoning leaves me in the same mindset as who voted Conservative or libdem
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:What's the smart word on when Brexit will Get Done? Not just signing the paper that says you're out, but signing all the trade deals and whatever needs to be done after that. I'm assuming it won't happen in the next 5 years, because there is absolutely no way Boris or whatever idiot he appoints will be able to successfully negotiate any WTO trade deals, and by the time the UK could feasibly be considered a sovereign nation, Scotland and NI should have peaced out. Boris is back in power, so they're essentially starting off where they left before the election. There's no reason to renegotiate his deal, so now it's a matter of getting it through parliament. If Corbyn had come in to power, however, the whole circus would have started from the beginning. There's no reason for Labour to just pick up the Boris or May deal and try to push it through. Samurai Sanders posted:Does this big new majority just make a no deal Brexit more likely? Or could they pass some kind of new deal that the EU would agree with that they couldn't before? They're gonna try to get a withdrawal deal. It'll probably be the same one Boris negotiated before the election, when they called his bluff that there'd be no deal if they didn't take his. Dance Officer has issued a correction as of 13:53 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Dec 13, 2019 13:48
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corbyn almost certainly would've accepted customs union membership, which solves a lot of the issues on its own. the first step would've taken longer, but that would also have been the only step. johnson is now going to get to do a bunch of trade deals in which he can and will transform the public sector into a device for funneling cash into the pockets of a handful of hedge funds and billionaires. this is, in a very real sense, what he ran on and was elected to do, so he genuinely has a mandate
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Dec 13, 2019 13:56
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do note that johnson's deal doesn't actually rule out a no-deal brexit in a set period of time. i forget how it would come to pass, but i believe it just pushes everything down the road - during the WA, there would be a period of concordance, after which there needs to be a new agreement - or there's no-deal coming up. like everything else in his campaign, johnson's brexit promise was a lie
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Dec 13, 2019 14:00
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Dec 13, 2019 14:00
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i cannot stress this enough: the british and foreign press has failed in subjecting johnson's regime to the most basic scrutiny. it is total bullshit
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Dec 13, 2019 14:02
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Who even loving knows what he plans. Boris ultimately cares about Boris and wants to be popular
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Dec 13, 2019 14:02
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gently caress i'm angry about this utter loving stupid poo poo
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V. Illych L. posted:i cannot stress this enough: the british and foreign press has failed in subjecting johnson's regime to the most basic scrutiny. it is total bullshit the people who own those institutions stand to gain from this happening
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Dec 13, 2019 14:03
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A theory I kick around in my head from time to time is that the ruling class is planning for England being totally lost to sea level rise, and so they're selling off what they can while they still can.
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bitterandtwisted posted:I'm very angry and hungover. Upped my direct debit to Shelter, joined the SNP, swore at someone on facebook. Still angry. gently caress this stupid union. Why would you give money to unicef? They are a UN organization, they receive plenty of money from governments. You should give money to Doctors Without Borders -- they rely mostly on donations from people, instead of governments. This means they have the freedom to help people even when it isn't politically acceptable (e.g. migrants crossing the med). Also consider donating to https://www.mariestopes.org/what-we-do/ quote:Marie Stopes International is an international non-governmental organisation providing contraception and safe abortion services in 37 countries around the world. Womens Jeans has issued a correction as of 14:07 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Dec 13, 2019 14:04
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Avirosb posted:What's worse, too many parties or too few? Too many parties in a FPTP system, too few in any functional system
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V. Illych L. posted:i cannot stress this enough: the british and foreign press has failed in subjecting johnson's regime to the most basic scrutiny. it is total bullshit doesn't seem to me like they failed so much as they did their jobs exactly right
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Dec 13, 2019 14:08
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bitterandtwisted posted:I'm very angry and hungover. Upped my direct debit to Shelter, joined the SNP, swore at someone on facebook. Still angry. gently caress this stupid union. i am very biassed and this is a foreign operation acting in foreign countries, but Norwegian People's Aid is one of the premier mine-clearance organisations in the world, as well as doing lots of good work in terms of building local indigenous organisations and unions in the developing world. it's the last part of what used to be the great norwegian labour movement, so it's politically correct
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Dec 13, 2019 14:08
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At least all the anti-Semitism is gone. Watch every media outlet instantly drop that angle despite it being headline news every day for 4 loving years.
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BMX Ninja posted:At least all the anti-Semitism is gone. Watch every media outlet instantly drop that angle despite it being headline news every day for 4 loving years. nah that depends entirely on the leader
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:he was boring and uncharismatic as gently caress. he could not channel anger at all, and any politics needs to be angry if it wants to win Shengj is correct
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Dec 13, 2019 14:13
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There was some british prick on RTÉ who moved to Ireland to escape brexit and he said he's upset Boris is PM but glad the UK didn't elect an anti-semite and the presenter just let him get away with it. We're supposed to have harsher anti-defamation laws here.
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Dec 13, 2019 14:14
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I knew all the Labour adverts getting posted ITT were lame but didn't say anything because I just assumed English people were into bad metaphors that'd fit in an American political cartoon.
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Dec 13, 2019 14:16
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oh shut up
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Dec 13, 2019 14:17
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Honest Thief posted:I'm getting drunk on tonight's office party and see if alcohol poisoning leaves me in the same mindset as who voted Conservative or libdem Might want to add leaded gasoline if that's the case.
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Dec 13, 2019 14:18
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Nice meltdown UK, cant wait to see the sequel in 2020 here in the states
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where is this mythical charismatic angry leftist leader you people are talking about
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V. Illych L. posted:oh shut up ah sold all mi chairs but now me bar isn't makin the profits a hoo hoo hoo iss just like austerity innit?
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Dec 13, 2019 14:20
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Avirosb posted:What's worse, too many parties or too few? First past the post
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Dec 13, 2019 14:20
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corbyn wasn't a particularly strong candidate but that's a point or two of swing. the campaign was mostly fine, though it lacked one really big focus. the problem was not really the campaign, it was that the political moment was mishandled - possibly it couldn't have been handled properly at all, given political reality, but there it is
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Dec 13, 2019 14:21
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Corbyn was fine everything else wasn’t
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:where is this mythical charismatic angry leftist leader you people are talking about there isn't one, it's vulgar individualism from a people poisoned by presidential politics
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Dec 13, 2019 14:22
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The most insane thing about this is how Lib Dem voters don't get how spoiler votes work, even after all the talk about tactical voting. You only cared about one thing and you just ended up deciding in favor of the worst possible thing you could want. loving perverts.
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Dec 13, 2019 14:24
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Labour's vote share was larger than it was under Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband, and the 2017 result was comparable to Tony Blair's pre-Iraq numbers The election results were not a problem with Labour moving too far left, and it wasn't because Corbyn was a uniquely unelectable candidate
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V. Illych L. posted:there isn't one, it's vulgar individualism from a people poisoned by presidential politics I got bad news about your entire country mate
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the problem is that the british are savages
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Dec 13, 2019 14:29
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Lotta people in this thread surprised by what is inevitable in the hellscape of post 16
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Lawman 0 posted:I got bad news about your entire country mate i'm not british, i'm just a huge politics nerd
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Squizzle posted:the problem is that the come now, let's at least be specific
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i dont think corbyn was fine, thats sorta the wakeup message here. he was always a compromise and we always knew we were supporting him because there wasnt a better option to hand. but it just wasnt enough, despite being a good man with the right principles hes not charismatic and had the air of a supply teacher. his resignation speech broke my heart but it did make me think he looked like a hard working old administrator who'd been pushed into a totally different role he wasnt suited for maybe that wouldnt have mattered if we'd have had a solid brexit plan, that could have hosed us in a different way too though. and there was no other candidate to line up behind. oh loving well. what a disaster
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Hand Knit posted:A theory I kick around in my head from time to time is that the ruling class is planning for England being totally lost to sea level rise, and so they're selling off what they can while they still can. would be funny if they got stuck in England despite that because of the tory gov fumbling brexit Sedisp posted:Might want to add leaded gasoline if that's the case. and lit a match while at it
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The most insane thing about this is how Lib Dem voters don't get how spoiler votes work, even after all the talk about tactical voting. You only cared about one thing and you just ended up deciding in favor of the worst possible thing you could want. loving perverts. lib dems are worthless trash anyways based on their ideology alone, but for the most part the damage was done by labour leave voters splitting for the brexit party
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