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inkblot posted:"When it all falls apart, remember me." Said the smug man from his house made of burning tires to the person who didn't make their house out of tires, gasoline, and faulty electrical wiring. Grovehaus?
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As an American who lived in Sweden the taxes are high but not _that_ high. I think my effective rate was 47% or something. There were only 2 brackets. Denmark has 2 as well and I think the top bracket is like 60%. (it depends on municipality) So that's bullshit - plus it's a progressive tax so the effective tax is lower. I didn't have a car, but Gas is expensive as gently caress anywhere in Europe. The free health care, parental leave, etc, totally made up for all of it though. Most of the Danes and Swedes I met loved their social safety net. It's there to be used. I do think many liberal Americans have a slightly unrealistic idealized view of Scandinavia - it's definitely got weaknesses and blind spots (They don't deal with race well at all in my experience - they aren't nearly as thrilled with non-white people using the social services. And it's very, very hard to fully integrate into Sweden if you aren't Swedish.).
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:This is loving nuts here. Assuming that the interviewee isn't 100% full of poo poo, they're basically saying that they shot someone who wasn't threatening, attacking or injuring them. A lot of the interviewees are full of poo poo, though, since quote:Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Oct 21, 2015 08:53
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Having a gun have them the confidence they needed to tell that
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Oct 21, 2015 09:25
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The gun was inside you all along.
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Oct 21, 2015 09:39
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Ah, I wish I could get good audio recordings of my coworkers. It's all hard right and religious nuttery.
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Oct 21, 2015 11:55
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Iron Crowned posted:Ah, I wish I could get good audio recordings of my coworkers. It's all hard right and religious nuttery. It'd sound like this guy Crane Durham
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Oct 21, 2015 13:44
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The problem with comparing the price of gas in Europe and the US is that, in Europe, you have options other than driving your own cars. At least, options that don't completely suck. And, of course, there are also people who live in more rural areas where they do need a car to get around but, in the US, walking or biking are often barely options (though this is changing as of late) and public transport, when it even exists, is often sub-par. Sure, you have some examples like NYC, but even then the subway coverage is not very good when you get out of Manhattan. I mean, hell, LaGuardia doesn't have subway service. https://goo.gl/maps/UYojfYQsa8w Point being, having 10/gal gas in other places in the world is much less of a burden than it is in the US, even if there are better social services like free education, healthcare, etc. At this point, the majority of people living in the US live in places where cars are necessities and burdens placed on car ownership or operation represent a very significant hardship.
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Oct 21, 2015 15:56
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Fulchrum posted:You could say that about pretty much everywhere on earth. Many Americans fail to note America is probably one of the better countries on race simply for the fact that it is forced to address it at all regularly. As painful as this is to say, I'm not sure if there's a better 1st world primarily white country that deals with racism better than America. Maybe Germany, since I've heard they've been very welcoming for refugees. Australia is awful at this, Canada's visa restrictions are worse than the US, and so on. But to say America is the best is a terrible benchmark, since getting into this country legally is an absolute mess.
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Oct 21, 2015 17:07
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"it's not FREE you pay for it through taxes!!!!!" I HATE that talking point because it's always said so smug and with such a "I just won" attitude and it's so hard to counter because the people who use it just don't understand how the economy works, to them you're still paying full price for healthcare AND getting taxed higher. And trying to explain it takes more than three words so "Blahblahblah it's not free" is the winning counter in the middle of you talking.
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Oct 21, 2015 17:51
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Klaus88 posted:I see we're getting the bleed off from the closed idiots on social media thread. What's really great about it though is that it was posted by a 46 year old woman who is having a life crisis, divorced her husband and spends her free time blitzed with other middle aged alcoholics and recently crashed her car while intoxicated on her way to court for an unrelated matter where she lied about one of her sons and got him charged with "Terroristic Threats". Mom's, amirite?
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This offends me as a feminist and as a sorta socialist.
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I don't think most Americans who fetishize Scandinavia are really looking at their race relations or cultural integration.
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Oct 21, 2015 19:09
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HugoDigletts posted:I don't think most Americans who fetishize Scandinavia are really looking at their race relations or cultural integration. They should though, because it's very integral to why their social contract works. They are extremely homogenous. Not to say everyone is like that my any means, but it's a lot easier to sell those services if there's no obvious "other" to sell as taking unfair advantage of them. It's exactly the same here - people are fine with themselves or family members using welfare or whatever. "Oh we earned it/need it/are one of the good ones" Random brown or black dude "lazy moocher/thug taking mah MONEY"
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Yeah, I'm currently planning to move to Sweden once I finish my master's degree due to marriage plans, but don't really expect integration to be that smooth, especially since my fluency in the language is still at a rudimentary level and best and out of practice at that. Probably helps a lot though that I'm white, seeing how race issues are getting there over the refugee situation.
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Oct 21, 2015 19:44
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Zerilan posted:Yeah, I'm currently planning to move to Sweden and I'm white, Say no more, you're good to go. Once we do a gene analysis and measure your skull we should get you immigrated.
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Oct 21, 2015 19:47
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Spite posted:They should though, because it's very integral to why their social contract works. They are extremely homogenous. Not to say everyone is like that my any means, but it's a lot easier to sell those services if there's no obvious "other" to sell as taking unfair advantage of them. I think what you meant was, "thats why they accept their social contract". It would still work the same if there were others receiving benefits too.
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MariusLecter posted:What's really great about it though is that it was posted by a 46 year old woman who is having a life crisis, divorced her husband and spends her free time blitzed with other middle aged alcoholics and recently crashed her car while intoxicated on her way to court for an unrelated matter where she lied about one of her sons and got him charged with "Terroristic Threats". Which reality show is/was she on?
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Oct 21, 2015 20:28
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Buzkashi posted:Which reality show is/was she on? My mom's crazy rear end midlife crisis, airing 24/7 I'll walk myself to E/N now...
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So how do you respond when people say "If they all love their free health care and education and everything so much then why do they all want to come here?" I think they're assumption is that ours is all "better" because it isn't "free."
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Does anyone have any crazy political poo poo that isn't american? I'm just curious if they're all pretty much the same in style or if canadian or israeli crazed political memes are significantly different. I'd offer some myself but my family are pretty apolitical and my FB friends just post mildly positive articles about 
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Oct 21, 2015 22:05
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The pens, sheeple!
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UrbicaMortis posted:Does anyone have any crazy political poo poo that isn't american? I'm just curious if they're all pretty much the same in style or if canadian or israeli crazed political memes are significantly different. I think there's a thread for several other countries - Canada, UK, Australia, etc - in this sub forum but without the 'crazy forwarded political email' part. I don't hear much about Israeli politics in general but when I do it's usually their head of state something stupidly inflammatory or racist that the body politic agrees with. What I'd like to hear most from is Latin American countries tbh.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:13
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seiferguy posted:The pens, sheeple! That is a legitimate concern though? John Oliver even did an episode on it.
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Grimdude posted:So how do you respond when people say "If they all love their free health care and education and everything so much then why do they all want to come here?" "They all" don't want to come over here. In 2013 about 28,500 Danish immigrants to the US, out of a total 5.6 Million Danes. That's the total Danish pop in the US. For the same year, Denmark granted residence permits to 3700 US Citizen, or 12 percent of all the residence permits it issued that year. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/largest-immigrant-groups-over-time http://www.thelocal.dk/20141022/americans-get-most-danish-residence-permits
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Rick_Hunter posted:I think there's a thread for several other countries - Canada, UK, Australia, etc - in this sub forum but without the 'crazy forwarded political email' part. I don't hear much about Israeli politics in general but when I do it's usually their head of state something stupidly inflammatory or racist that the body politic agrees with. Yeah, i frequent some of those threads but there doesn't tend to be much 'crazy forwarded political emails' which is what I was curious about. Maybe it's more of an american phenomenon.
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Keeshhound posted:That is a legitimate concern though? It's definitely an issue, but I should note that the poster is an anti-vaxxer that loves naturopath because BIG PHARMA. I'm sure her concern isn't on the science.
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UrbicaMortis posted:Yeah, i frequent some of those threads but there doesn't tend to be much 'crazy forwarded political emails' which is what I was curious about. Maybe it's more of an american phenomenon. I'd like to think it's because Commonwealth countries think 'Britain endures' and go about their day while people in the United States have actually started believing their own rhetoric and think the end is near.
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seiferguy posted:It's definitely an issue, but I should note that the poster is an anti-vaxxer that loves naturopath because BIG PHARMA. I'm sure her concern isn't on the science. I kind of figured it'd be something like that after I posted. Oh well, it's a good episode.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:17
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  Just go run up to people that fail the paper bag test and yell at them for something other human beings are doing
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:
Is this the new 'Around blacks, never relax'? WH40K Edit (I'm not looking up the real pic at work): 
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:
There's an old SNL sketch with John Goodman that I can't find, but it's basically this. A Jordanian store owner over the years puts signs up that say "NOT FROM IRAN" and "NOT FROM IRAQ" and etc. on his shop because Goodman keeps showing up and throwing rocks through his window yelling "TAKE THIS YOU IRANIAN BASTARD!" until it's explained that he's the good kind of Middle Easterner. Parody isn't a thing anymore. It's all reality. Dehumanize yourself.
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size1one posted:I think what you meant was, "thats why they accept their social contract". It would still work the same if there were others receiving benefits too. That's what I was saying though - it's easier to sell that social contract to a homogenous population.
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size1one posted:I think what you meant was, "thats why they accept their social contract". It would still work the same if there were others receiving benefits too. Acceptance of the social contract is a pretty vital component of it working.
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UrbicaMortis posted:Yeah, i frequent some of those threads but there doesn't tend to be much 'crazy forwarded political emails' which is what I was curious about. Maybe it's more of an american phenomenon. The times forwarded emails from other English native countries got back to this thread it turned out most of them were American in origin with a crudely done find/replace swapping out reference to the U.S. So go thank an Aussie soldier for muh freedomz instead of a sword proof leather neck oorah
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seiferguy posted:It's definitely an issue, but I should note that the poster is an anti-vaxxer that loves naturopath because BIG PHARMA. I'm sure her concern isn't on the science. Well of course. The human capacity for error is ignored by the establishment but well taken care of in the minority fringe because
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 So this was posted by somebody and, as usual, everyone is talking about the methodology being "ridiculous" and "punishing kids for doing math in their heads". It's not even something crazy they're trying to get across to the student, they're just trying to make the student demonstrate they can estimate and come to a conclusion. This is a valuable mathematical skill that many of us don't have or cultivated in difficult circumstances where there wasn't always paper or a calculator handy. People are yelling at math teachers for teaching math and then taking off points when the kid can't show the math that the math teacher taught.  I tried really hard to be good, but when they busted out the passive-aggressiveness I couldn't think of anything else to say but  
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Brawnfire posted:
people bitching about common core just have a bone to pick with 'kids these days'/'back in my day'/'political correctness gone mad' and aren't worth engaging with for example, this person is just whining about having to show one's work
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Oct 22, 2015 07:04
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Tell these people this type of problem has been in elementary school before common core was even a daydream.
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Taking a point off for not showing an estimate is pretty loving stupid though. If they want the student to show their work they should have taken a point off for that. But I bet this question was from ages ago and has nothing to do with Common Core, just like every other Common Core forward out there.
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