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Binary Badger posted:For those of you dodging clown punches with Canon's latest beginner level mirrorless, the EOS M50, there is now a firmware update.. v.1.0.1 to be exact. Meanwhile Nikon have just moved into the full-frame mirrorless game. I'm not entirely sure what Canon think they're playing at, but if their strategy is "go the way of Kodak" then job well done I suppose.
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The scarier part for canon should be how good the new Nikon EVILs are for video.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:29
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rolleyes posted:Meanwhile Nikon have just moved into the full-frame mirrorless game. I'm not entirely sure what Canon think they're playing at, but if their strategy is "go the way of Kodak" then job well done I suppose. tbf i don’t see a performance reason other than “i have tons of nikon glass and want maximum adapter compatibility” to buy a nikon z over a sony a7riii or a9.
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Aug 27, 2018 01:41
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Are inter-brand adapters not that good yet? i.e. even with the mounting flexibility that mirrorless bodies can offer, mixing and matching cameras and glass across brands still doesn’t work that well?
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Aug 27, 2018 01:44
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President Beep posted:Are inter-brand adapters not that good yet? i.e. even with the mounting flexibility that mirrorless bodies can offer, mixing and matching cameras and glass across brands still doesn’t work that well? Any dipshit with an oscilloscope, an extension tube cut open to connect up the wires, and a kit lens can decode most of the serial communications between camera and lens. Basic functionality in terms of “camera tells lens to do X, lens does X” is fully available. There is a general impression that outside the best and most mature adapters (ie EF-Sony) there’s still some advantage in AF for native lenses, partially because for ultrasonic motors you basically have to have a sample of each lens and tune the focus parameters by hand calibrating them, maybe there’s also some additional fudges for particular lenses hardcoded into the camera.
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Aug 27, 2018 07:51
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suck my woke dick posted:Any dipshit with an oscilloscope, an extension tube cut open to connect up the wires, and a kit lens can decode most of the serial communications between camera and lens. Basic functionality in terms of “camera tells lens to do X, lens does X” is fully available. There is a general impression that outside the best and most mature adapters (ie EF-Sony) there’s still some advantage in AF for native lenses, partially because for ultrasonic motors you basically have to have a sample of each lens and tune the focus parameters by hand calibrating them, maybe there’s also some additional fudges for particular lenses hardcoded into the camera. Neat. It's cool that jumping body manufacturers can be done with mirrorless without necessarily having to ditch all of your glass and start over. Looking at the Canon to Sony scenario, does the image stabilization at the lens still work, or does that just go inert and it's handled by the body?
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Aug 27, 2018 21:24
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The thing with most glass is that if you buy used you can rent for practically free, so you might as well get the stuff that autofocuses properly.
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Aug 28, 2018 18:01
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quote:Canon announcements for September 5, 2018
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Aug 31, 2018 17:28
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Fondle Mega Lens?
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Aug 31, 2018 18:02
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Couldn't make it f/1.8? Are you even trying, Cannon?
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Aug 31, 2018 18:04
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BetterLekNextTime posted:Fondle Mega Lens? Oh well, time to switch to rice and beans for the next year I guess.
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Aug 31, 2018 18:12
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I'm excited if they cause any sort of drop in the price of the older big teles. It's mostly weight reduction on these mark 3's right?
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Aug 31, 2018 19:02
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I thought the new 70-200 2.8 had some new lens coatings or something. Didn’t sound too exciting.
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Aug 31, 2018 19:12
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Looking forward to learning more about this R system. If it’s any good that might be my long-ish term purchase goal.
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Aug 31, 2018 19:13
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BetterLekNextTime posted:I'm excited if they cause any sort of drop in the price of the older big teles. It's mostly weight reduction on these mark 3's right?
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Aug 31, 2018 19:39
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President Beep posted:I thought the new 70-200 2.8 had some new lens coatings or something. Didn’t sound too exciting. Lenrentals posted a teardown this week, the III is identical to the II except for those coatings. https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/08/lens-teardowns-and-comparisons-of-the-canon-70-200mm-f2-8-is-ii-and-iii/ Most interesting revelation to me is that the weather sealing is basically hockey sock tape. If it works it ain't stupid but I am now disassembling all my gear and sealing the gaps with hockey tape for a free upgrade. Watch the changes to all these two more version 3's be similar coating updates. 
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Aug 31, 2018 20:17
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The rumors flying around about the R/RF system are utterly stupid and wonderful in the best way, and next Wednesday will both be happy (to see confirmations) and a bit of a killjoy (because we get confirmations). I’m especially eager to hear about the EF-M prime and what the cost might be.
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I'm headed on a 3 week trip to New Zealand in February. The fiance is letting me go a bit nuts on glass and a new body with the one caveat that I need to deliver on a photo of a penguin (to which I plan on leveraging to my first white lens) I am not about to look this gift horse in the mouth and have been lusting after a FF body since the 5d II and especially lately as my 7D is feeling a bit long in the tooth. I have mostly crop only lenses (17-50 2.8, 10-20 etc) at this point, with the exception of a nifty 50 and a 70-300 4-5.6 Sigma. I had initially thought the 6D2 was my easy goto answer paired with a glass investment in a 24-70 2.8L II and a 70-200 2.8L IS II. The past ten pages here and many of the online reviews are not very fond of the 6d2. From what I can tell a 6D is about $1600. It's almost double to jump up to the $3100 for the 5D4. Am I reading too much into the DPReview analysis? I'd like to be able to shoot video but it's not a decision factor for me. I am much more concerned about image quality, noise, and dynamic range - hence my concern. Should I splurge on the 5d4? Is the 6D2 still a worthy option? In the last 15 years I've figured it's best to ask for only one piece of advice per post. So what body should I choose? Once I figure that out, I'll change topics to lenses. I was thinking about renting some other (wide) stuff for the trip.
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6D + 400mm 5.6 L (used) because you need that penguin. Also get the 70-200 2.8 IS L as a backup in case the penguin charges your position. It's the only way to be sure.
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Sep 3, 2018 04:47
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KennyG posted:crop only lenses (17-50 2.8, 10-20 etc) is this an actual, accepted, reasonable statement also props to op for totally misunderstanding the gift horse cliche
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Sep 3, 2018 06:06
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Lutha Mahtin posted:is this an actual, accepted, reasonable statement The 17-50 2.8 is EF-s mount. As is the 10-20. Did I miss something where Canon removed the physical limitation of EF-s not working on EF mount cameras?
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Sep 3, 2018 11:39
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The Sigma and Tamron versions of the 17-50 are both EF mount (because they make all of their Canon lenses in the EF mount, even APS-C only lenses). You can mount them on a FF body but the image circle is not big enough so you get crazy vignetting.
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Sep 3, 2018 12:45
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KennyG posted:I'm headed on a 3 week trip to New Zealand in February. The fiance is letting me go a bit nuts on glass and a new body with the one caveat that I need to deliver on a photo of a penguin (to which I plan on leveraging to my first white lens) I am not about to look this gift horse in the mouth and have been lusting after a FF body since the 5d II and especially lately as my 7D is feeling a bit long in the tooth. I have mostly crop only lenses (17-50 2.8, 10-20 etc) at this point, with the exception of a nifty 50 and a 70-300 4-5.6 Sigma. I had initially thought the 6D2 was my easy goto answer paired with a glass investment in a 24-70 2.8L II and a 70-200 2.8L IS II. The past ten pages here and many of the online reviews are not very fond of the 6d2. The real knock on the 6D2 is that it's a little more expensive than it deserves to be. The biggest drawback on it is the autofocus system, which lacks sophistication and doesn't cover a whole lot of the frame with points, so you end up needing to focus and recompose sometimes. I have an original 6D that I use as a second body to my 5D3, especially during weddings, and when it gets dark I do know the 6D just won't focus as well as the 5D3. That said, the 6D2 does improve on the 6D's autofocus a good deal, with a bunch more focus points and all of them being cross-type rather than just the center point. When my 5D3 needed repair, though, I did rent a 5D4 and it is one hell of a camera. The dynamic range and noise levels are pretty outstanding, and will be objectively better than the 6D2 especially if you bring up shadows in post.
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That new 28-70 f2 lens they have coming for the new R system looks reeeeaaaal enticing. Would it work on a sony a7iii with a metabones adaptor?
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Sep 4, 2018 08:19
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It's very unlikely there will ever be a RF to E mount adaptor. The flange distance is only 2mm longer than E-Mount which isn't much to work with. The bigger issue is that the RF mount is 54mm diameter so the rear elements of RF lenses won't fit in to E Mount's 46mm diameter without hitting the sides. Any adaptor would need to have optical elements to increase the flange distance.
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Sep 4, 2018 08:41
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InternetJunky posted:
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Sep 5, 2018 15:26
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I'm thinking about getting a 1.4x extender for my 70-200mm f/2.8L, are there any non-Canon versions I should be looking at?
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Cross-posting from the mirrorless thread: Canon's full frame mirrorless system was officially announced today. Things that jumped out at me: $2300 for the body, $100 for the EF -> R adapter 5 fps burst rate if you want servo AF during it, which, who doesn't? 8 fps without AF Video is hit and miss: no 1080p at 120fps like the A7III -- it maxes out at 60fps -- though there is 4k @ 30fps in a useable codec with Canon Log internally, and 10 bit 4:2:2 via HDMI. Caveat: 4K is with a 1.7x crop. That said, the focus system and controls look pretty dope, and it's sounding like adapted lenses work really well.
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I’d hope that their first party adapter would work well. Sounds like the single card slot is going to make this unsuitable for a lot of professionals though. As a hobbyist I could live with it.
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I like how it has a proper flippy screen unlike the ones Nikon just announced, so I guess that's someething. Not a fan of the top LCD screen but maybe it's fine in person. I don't like things glowing all the time. Bluetooth onboard is nice too.
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I can see myself snagging a used one in a few year’s time. Wonder if they’ll release a higher end companion model, kind of like the 6D/5D relationship.
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The new mount does seem really clever, you don't have to throw away your old lenses and can buy into the new system too. The adapter for EF mount lets you put filters in it which might be a gimmick but I like.
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The adapter having drop-in filter is genius and will be great for video work. There's similar ones for e-mount adapters where they put a variable ND in it. Unfortunately that's about the only thing that's exciting for me over other cameras, which is sad.
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EVF + focus peaking + 5D4 sensor in a compact body is exactly what I've been looking for. I might pick this up on release.
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Sep 5, 2018 22:23
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Bubbacub posted:2 lbs lighter
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Bubbacub posted:EVF + focus peaking + 5D4 sensor in a compact body is exactly what I've been looking for. I might pick this up on release. https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r-visual-size-comparison-against-the-sony-a7-iii-and-nikon-z6/ It's a bit bigger than the Z6 and A7 III. A bit smaller than the 5d4 though.. about 1cm width, 2cm height tinier.
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xzzy posted:The new mount does seem really clever, you don't have to throw away your old lenses and can buy into the new system too. There’s actually three adapters:
The others are a little more expensive than the standard one, but still. Kinda crazy they have three available so soon.
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what is the point of putting extra controls on every RF lens? to me it just sounds like it would make lenses more expensive e: i just realized it might be an easy way to lock out third party lens makers via patents. that's still the only thing i can think of though
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harperdc posted:There’s actually three adapters: Plain - $100 With added control $200 With drop in CPL filter $300 With drop in Variable MD $400. The cost of the one with the drop in filters follows the over the top pricing of their drop-in filter holders for their telephotos. More users of their telephotos would probably make use of the functionality if they didn't want $110 for a tiny holder or $230 for the one with a CPL. Sadly there's never been any third party equivalents.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:what is the point of putting extra controls on every RF lens? to me it just sounds like it would make lenses more expensive I think it's an interesting idea, you got a hand on the lens anyways so why not give those fingers something to do? We're pretty much always shooting with AF on so it's not like that hand is busy. It's fair to argue it's a problem looking for a solution but it seems like the sort of thing I could grow to appreciate. But yes if it throws a wrench into the plans of third party lens makers, that's a clear win for Canon. My biggest beef with the control ring adapter is it seems like it puts the ring awkwardly close to the camera body. I'd be rotating it with my pinky.
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