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Jedit posted:Apart from running Origins, supporting game stores is pretty much GAMA's raison d'etre. Turning up to the Trade Show and saying "why do we need B&M stores when we have the internet" is like turning up to Spielwarenmesse and saying "Why do we need game publishers when we can PNP". Exactly. He couldn't possibly have expected any other result. Guess he just didn't care that much for the show in the first place.
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Sounds to me like a few influential figures bullied GAMA into this. I'm sure all the major publishers support Dice Tower for the attention they bring and Cool Stuff basically sponsors the show. Uninviting him is just a petty move and ironically proves his point about not propping up bad stores just because.
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I know ive recommended that podcast before but the latest bretterwisser interview with uwe rosenberg is well worth listening. their interviews are the best part and talking to publishers and authors to find out how they collaborate in making games is very cool. like how it was the publishers idea to add monestarys to carcasonne because drawing an all grass tile was so bad. You have to be able to understand german though. e: he said if hes done with tetris games he would like to tackle deck building. also that there are 2 authors working on legacy versions of 2 of his games curently. discount cathouse fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Nov 22, 2017 15:18
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discount cathouse posted:I know ive recommended that podcast before but the latest bretterwisser interview with uwe rosenberg is well worth listening. their interviews are the best part and talking to publishers and authors to find out how they collaborate in making games is very cool. like how it was the publishers idea to add monestarys to carcasonne because drawing an all grass tile was so bad. Thanks, listening to it right now
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discount cathouse posted:I know ive recommended that podcast before but the latest bretterwisser interview with uwe rosenberg is well worth listening. their interviews are the best part and talking to publishers and authors to find out how they collaborate in making games is very cool. like how it was the publishers idea to add monestarys to carcasonne because drawing an all grass tile was so bad. If Uwe starts making deckbuilders rip my wallet for all time
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Nov 22, 2017 15:45
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discount cathouse posted:I know ive recommended that podcast before but the latest bretterwisser interview with uwe rosenberg is well worth listening. their interviews are the best part and talking to publishers and authors to find out how they collaborate in making games is very cool. like how it was the publishers idea to add monestarys to carcasonne because drawing an all grass tile was so bad. I would like a legacy Bohnanza game.
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Nov 22, 2017 15:48
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Jordan7hm posted:I would like a legacy Bohnanza game. he said "one if them is one of my succeful games you would least expect to be a legacy game", so its not that unlikely. theyll only publish it if its decent though.
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Pretty much this. What's the argument against this? Pay more for poo poo because... it's local? Talk about picking a fight with one of the (literally) biggest names in the industry over something that seems fairly cut and dry and that almost every consumer out there would get behind. discount cathouse posted:
He can't keep getting away with it
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FulsomFrank posted:What's the argument against this? Pay more for poo poo because... it's local? Talk about picking a fight with one of the (literally) biggest names in the industry over something that seems fairly cut and dry and that almost every consumer out there would get behind. There are a lot of poorly run stores out there. And a lot of bad vocal gamers who frequent those stores (and are a big reason why those stores are bad).
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One of the big local stores in my area is complete poo poo. The selection is great, and it's half a nice bookstore and half a nice board game space, but the staff are just unrepentant assholes about everything. I went in there to buy a set of dice for a d&d event happening at the bar next door (that they co-sponsor, even!) and they treated me like I was the biggest inconvenience for wasting their time with my purchase. If you're going to treat me like I am a burden when I shop at your business, then gently caress off I don't want to shop with you anymore!
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Rad Valtar posted:I mean I’m not one to defend Tom Vasal because of how lovely he is but nothing he said was even remotely bad and people are overreacting. Yup, exactly. And then some stores didn't bother listening to his comments properly and took immediately to social media to say 'Tom Vasel wants to kill our business!' and then their fans also didn't bother fact checking because they were hiding in their echo chambers, and thus outrage is manufactured. Literally his whole point was 'continue supporting good stores, don't bother with bad stores, don't let bad stores guilt trip you into shopping there instead'. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXpsHyLSTOY&t=909s for what Tom actually said.
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Kashuno posted:One of the big local stores in my area is complete poo poo. The selection is great, and it's half a nice bookstore and half a nice board game space, but the staff are just unrepentant assholes about everything. I went in there to buy a set of dice for a d&d event happening at the bar next door (that they co-sponsor, even!) and they treated me like I was the biggest inconvenience for wasting their time with my purchase. If you're going to treat me like I am a burden when I shop at your business, then gently caress off I don't want to shop with you anymore! This is crazy to me. Especially if you're in the US where you not only have Amazon kicking down your door but giant online retailers that appear to be constantly doing great sales. Like, you have one job to do and it's not be a dick to people taking the time to walk into your brick & mortar operation when they could have just have easily bought it probably cheaper and easier online. Luckily in Canuckistan I've never had any bad experiences since I believe that most places are happy you're buying in person and the really good stores are actually not gouging you so I'm more than happy to spend my cash there.
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Thankfully my FLGS is entirely supported by Warhammer stuff, though I have bought a few things there because they do cool stuff like letting you demo brand new games they've just received. I'm interested in learning more about Vassel, why is he so bad? Lots of casual boardgamers I know seem to like him.
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FulsomFrank posted:This is crazy to me. Especially if you're in the US where you not only have Amazon kicking down your door but giant online retailers that appear to be constantly doing great sales. my own experience is it's when the store owner or staff refuse to give a poo poo about stuff outside of their pet game interests, like magic, or warhams or whatever. most of those stores don't seem to last long anyway short of the guy being independently wealthy and the store is a hobby project
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AceRimmer posted:Thankfully my FLGS is entirely supported by Warhammer stuff, though I have bought a few things there because they do cool stuff like letting you demo brand new games they've just received. He likes lighter games and doesn’t provide real analysis during his reviews, and is nonetheless the biggest board game YouTube guy. Also possibly homophobic, I’m basing this on hearsay, I haven’t heard the actual comments myself. Honestly if not for the possible homophobia I’d like the guy. He’s real positive and that’s only a bad thing if you count on him for analysis (don’t do that).
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The only safe boardgame reviewer is calandale, the guy with the imaginary wife. 
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AceRimmer posted:The only safe boardgame reviewer is calandale, the guy with the imaginary wife. You mean the Russian bride?
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AceRimmer posted:The only safe boardgame reviewer is calandale, the guy with the imaginary wife. Calandale owns and Vasel looks and sounds like "that guy" at your LGS. His reviews are more or less arguments of fun.
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AceRimmer posted:I'm interested in learning more about Vassel, why is he so bad? Lots of casual boardgamers I know seem to like him. He is one of the first and by far the biggest "content creators" in the industry. His content tends to be of the quantity over quality type with his Dice Tower Network (not just him, but he's very much involved and present in the videos/podcasts) putting out dozens of videos a week. He does weekly top 10s which are of dubious worth and are easy to crap out. The review quality is typically middling and contains insights like "it's just fun." Additionally despite being funded MUCH better than other well-known people in the industry - SUSD, No Pun Included, whatever - the filming quality (single cam, never moves) and sets (they don't use a set) have always been extremely "budget" quality, but maybe that's just me. Honestly I think it's mostly an issue of him being omnipresent and not being particularly insightful such that he rubs a lot of people here the wrong way. I don't seek out his content but I don't really dislike him either.
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discount cathouse posted:he said "one if them is one of my succeful games you would least expect to be a legacy game", so its not that unlikely. theyll only publish it if its decent though. Patchwork, and you'll have built an actual quilt (made of cardboard) by the end
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Jordan7hm posted:He likes lighter games and doesn’t provide real analysis during his reviews
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Honestly I think it's mostly an issue of him being omnipresent and not being particularly insightful such that he rubs a lot of people here the wrong way. I don't seek out his content but I don't really dislike him either.
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It's not like Vasel's being thrown off the internet, geez. He can't now go to a GAMA Trade Show. All the news is posted anyway, what would he actually be missing anyway? He feels like the Fox News of board gaming but that's probably just me. Really pandering to a crowd that I'm not a part of.
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Chill la Chill posted:I challenge anyone here to listen to Vasel for 5 hours straight, while painting your minis or clipping your counters for wargames or assembling your giant broken token gloomhaven insert. You can't. It's impossible. But you can with Calandale. 
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Lorini posted:It's not like Vasel's being thrown off the internet, geez. He can't now go to a GAMA Trade Show. All the news is posted anyway, what would he actually be missing anyway? I don't think anyone gives a crap about him being uninvited from a show - I certainly don't - but the reason why (and the prior initial overreaction about his comments) is stupid.
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AceRimmer posted:The only safe boardgame reviewer is calandale, the guy with the imaginary wife. That's Rahdo, Calandale is the crazy person who bought a mail order bride that he forces to play wargames and founded his own BGG clone because of FREEZE PEACH
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FulsomFrank posted:What's the argument against this? Pay more for poo poo because... it's local? This is something I would usually advocate for but there’s no reason to do so with board games
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MikeCrotch posted:That's Rahdo, Calandale is the crazy person who bought a mail order bride that he forces to play wargames and founded his own BGG clone because of FREEZE PEACH
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Papes posted:This is something I would usually advocate for but there’s no reason to do so with board games Yeah it's one thing to buy local when you're buying from the producers of the product (such as farm products), but when buying local simply changes the middleman that you're buying it from, it's kind of pointless.
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!Klams posted:So, I really love this about City of Horror. Like, it's a loving shambolic mess of an emotional and political turmoil, the girl giving out all the zombie details could have been lying, but I'm sure it was obvious to you that she wasn't. So some people see that as like, "Oh you've helped me I'll help you" which is sort of what she was going for (likes everyone working together) but then other people see that as helping their opponents / trying too hard to curry favour, and penalize it (like you guys seemed to), and then yet someone else might like, next level it, and leverage her naive style: "Ok, thanks, if you vote for me to distribute the stuff I'll give you the syringe" but then stab her in the back after she's voted for them and keep it. I too love City of Horror because of the remarkable snakes of bad logic it forces everyone to twist themselves into. I made some big mistakes early on last night, playing cards a little too early, and by rounds 3-4 I only had 1 left to spend. our scores were 12/12/8/6/6/5.
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Tom Vasel's logo is literally a neckbeard and a fedora.
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Tekopo posted:The Expanse is good, what do you want to know (or alternatively just look back at my post history recently) Just general impressions/AARs/discussion/whatever. The card mechanic looks really neat
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Papes posted:This is something I would usually advocate for but there’s no reason to do so with board games My FLGS is amazing. The have a huge gaming space, they host hobby nights where they teach things like model assembly and painting, they have regular events and tournaments, etc. I give them my money because that extra service they provide is worth 10% more. I'm always frustrated by people who use the space for D&D or boardgaming and then shop online, because it feels like they're taking advantage of the establishment. On the other hand, if your store is nothing but a sales counter and an rear end in a top hat who's annoyed you're interrupting his Facebook time then by all means shop Amazon and let them die. The "F" in FLGS is the key here.
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rydiafan posted:My FLGS is amazing. The have a huge gaming space, they host hobby nights where they teach things like model assembly and painting, they have regular events and tournaments, etc. I give them my money because that extra service they provide is worth 10% more. that sounds awesome - I have a cool FLGS, and I pay them to use their space for flea markets, but buying things there is tougher math: MSRP + tax (ex. $60 + $5) vs CSI - customer discount + shipping (ex. $36 - $2 + $0 ) Fate Accomplice fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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rydiafan posted:My FLGS is amazing. The have a huge gaming space, they host hobby nights where they teach things like model assembly and painting, they have regular events and tournaments, etc. I give them my money because that extra service they provide is worth 10% more. I'm always frustrated by people who use the space for D&D or boardgaming and then shop online, because it feels like they're taking advantage of the establishment. This. The FLGS in Pasadena, CA runs tournaments, newbie nights, and has a huge gaming space. If you think of the difference between the online prices and this FLGS's prices as value added then the FLGS makes sense. There's no way I'm meeting any other local players on Coolstuffinc.com (yes I know they have a store but that's not how I deal with them).
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Speaking of online retailers, Cardhaus is currently doing 10% off their regular prices for Black Friday. Which doesn't sound that impressive but it's leading to some pretty great prices. Just a few I saw: Dragonfire $35.99 (MSRP $59.99) Keyflower $39.59 (MSRP $65.00) Arkham Horror LCG Core Set $28.79 (MSRP $39.99) etc. Worth a look if there's a game you've been waiting to drop. They do have shipping (unless you spend $125) so it might be a wash though. Japanese Dating Sim fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Speaking of online retailers, Cardhaus is currently doing 10% off their regular prices for Black Friday. Which doesn't sound that impressive but it's leading to some pretty great prices. Just a few I saw: They also have a scratch and dent section if you can handle bent corners or scratched up boxes.
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I''ve played and liked Mall of Horror, is City of Horror pretty much the same? The description of the Water Tower sounded just like the CCTV room.
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AceRimmer posted:I''ve played and liked Mall of Horror, is City of Horror pretty much the same? The description of the Water Tower sounded just like the CCTV room. it is an updated remake. here's a list of the major changes: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/859165/significant-differences-between-mall-horror reading this list and having never played Mall I have a hunch City is MUCH better.
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