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GRRM has pretty much said that he doesnt enjoy the writing process when he knows where its going. Of course I cant imagine hes been having fun writing, or pretending to write, the last 10 years either.
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If only we could compensate GRRM for his time spent suffering under an outline, like some sort-of job or something
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Jul 4, 2021 14:07
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If I was GRRM I'd just pay a ghostwriter. There has to be someone who can imitate his style convincingly. Tell him the basic plot you've figured out, and let him do the work of actually writing it. GRRM is old, rich, and fat. If he doesn't want to write, that's fine - I wouldn't want to write either in his position. Just let someone else write it, like he did with the show, the worldbuilding books, the other shows. Then we can all have closure and GRRM gets to die in peace.
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Jul 4, 2021 15:16
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Jul 4, 2021 15:28
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pidan posted:If I was GRRM I'd just pay a ghostwriter. There has to be someone who can imitate his style convincingly. Tell him the basic plot you've figured out, and let him do the work of actually writing it. GRRM is old, rich, and fat. If he doesn't want to write, that's fine - I wouldn't want to write either in his position. Just let someone else write it, like he did with the show, the worldbuilding books, the other shows. Then we can all have closure and GRRM gets to die in peace. Yeah, it's the constant stream of disingenuous "hohoho working hard but there's still a long way to go!" interviews that make him such a pathetic bitch. He's obviously not getting much of anything done, I don't know if it's publisher contracts that he's afraid to break like some have speculated, but he needs to just stop pretending he'll ever finish the story. Relax and have fun in your retirement with your millions of dollars if you want, just come clean, acknowledge that you don't have the drive to work on this thing anymore, and give your notes to Brandon Sanderson or someone.
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Jul 4, 2021 15:40
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Hannibal Rex posted:You may be too young to remember, but years and years ago, after the first three books had been published, a group of people came into power who called themselves the Neocons, and they believed you could bring freedom and civilization to the backwards peoples of the Middle East, by bombing their cities and overthrowing their tyrannical rulers. Sadly, that didn't quite go as planned. Oh, I'm not quite that harsh. Even from book one, it was obvious that Dany's good intentions had consequences she was not ready for. Her push for the horselords to go to Westeros had them laying waste to a whole region to prepare and fund the trip. The deal with Mirri Maz Durr and such. But even in books 1 and 2, she would realize screwups when she saw them. In book 3 she's basically promoted to medieval Napoleon, fooling sellsword companies, seeing through ploys and deceptions, staging surprise attacks, taking cities from within and wiping enemy armies. Then she just stops and becomes dumb, trying to make nice with people that are evidently always going to hate her forever. And it's just bad writing. GRRM saw that the storyline was not at a point she could join the action in Westeros, so he had her suddenly park her rear end on top of a power keg and wait for her cue. Likely because he waffled back on forth on the whole timeskip thing and was left with no good options. So then everything goes wrong all the time. Um, there's a secret conspiracy in the city and she refuses to take any serious action against the obvious culprits! Her dragons, they also might have eaten someone! They suck now! The other city she liberated became a grotesque farce, gently caress you for even trying, Dany! A formidable army of jugglers, men on stilts and fantasy tiktok models is shaping up against her, and she does nothing! She doesn't even listen to the experienced commanders serving her about poisoning nearby wells or anything, just hoping that her marriage to Obvious Villain will fix everything. So yeah, it's actually kinda fitting that her story ends with her making GBS threads brown water in the middle of nowhere.
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Jul 4, 2021 15:52
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Shageletic posted:Crosssssspossssst Can you imagine the nasty loving phone call that must have happened after some Disney exec saw that, and said "Fire whomever chose these two asshats to lead our next trilogy". Meanwhile.. at Netflix... 
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Jul 4, 2021 17:29
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Shageletic posted:Crosssssspossssst Wait they took camera roll of a naked infant's body after they parked it on a block of ice? loving why, why do you need nude shots of a baby? Are D&D pedophiles or something, wtf is this? This is the first time I'm hearing of this
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Jul 4, 2021 19:53
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Hack frauds gets bandied about too much but these guys. I cant think of any better term for them. The only surprising this is how we got 3 good seasons out of em.
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Jul 4, 2021 20:04
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Sometimes you have good material to crib from, the actors are just right and care enough to put in great work, and the public is hungry for good fantasy fare after almost a decade since Lord of the Rings got them hooked and The hobbit trilogy just didn't hit the spot. It's the perfect storm that every hack dreams of landing, but it doesn't come around often.
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Jul 4, 2021 20:18
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Whomever they hired to do the casting and production design also did their jobs well. This was HBO at peak "prestige" level from The Sopranos, but they hadn't had a breakout hit in a few years. I imagine HBO's contact book was bursting with really talented people hungry for good work who smelled the potential of the books, even if their leaders were basically Little Lord Fauntleroy.
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Jul 4, 2021 21:11
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hosed up that the "play with her arse" show ended up being terrible when those guys had to write all of the dialogue.
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Jul 4, 2021 21:25
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mind the walrus posted:Whomever they hired to do the casting and production design also did their jobs well. This was HBO at peak "prestige" level from The Sopranos, but they hadn't had a breakout hit in a few years. I imagine HBO's contact book was bursting with really talented people hungry for good work who smelled the potential of the books, even if their leaders were basically Little Lord Fauntleroy. "Sweet, we landed Charles motherfuckin' Dance! But now that it's three seasons in and we are on top of the world, I think we can start being -really- bold. I think, and pull me down if you think we are flying too high here.... ...we can land Ed Sheeran, ladies and gentlemen."
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Jul 5, 2021 11:56
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Its a crime how badly they wasted Ciarn Hinds.
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Jul 5, 2021 14:09
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They wasted quite a few great casting decisions. Ian McShane's turn was forgettable and lame - and it sure as hell wasn't his fault. They also wasted Alexander Siddig (Bashir of DS9) in what also could have been a great casting decision if they hadn't botched the Dornish storyline completely. At least Hinds had some cool moments in season 3 with Jon Snow while they were setting up his arc, even if they totally hosed it up down the line. The other guys didn't even get that. In general, there seemed to be an unwillingness in the later seasons to give secondary characters decent lines, or much of anything at all to work with. This only got more pronounced as the quality (and level) of dialogue dwindled in the last season, replaced with repeated gratuitous closeups of a half-dozen or so leads.
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Jul 6, 2021 04:32
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Such a classic television problem too, where the breakout leads have to be catered to more and more to keep them happy on the show that started them off... regardless of the creative plans and their ultimate role in it. If only they had good leadership to help keep the talent happy and tell the best story for maximum profit. And I just remembered that these fucks lost a Star Wars gig by being too unprofessional about getting a Star Wars gig. Lol. Lmao.
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Jul 6, 2021 04:42
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Also consider how the people who managed to get and keep jobs on the new trilogy were loving idiots and that like even if you want to go to bat for Johnson, he still is a guy who loving got into slap-fights with randos on Twitter for criticizing his movie. These are the people too talented and professional for D&D.
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Jul 6, 2021 05:02
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I would go to bat more for Johnson because I don't think he, Disney, or anyone realized that a movie where the thesis is "hey maybe we need to grow up a little" would become a wedge exploited by the Nazis to get everyone really wound up and the slap fights are more emblematic of how Twitter encourages/enables toxicity. Loads of professionals gently caress up on there daily. And yeah, they're still a league above the dipshits who ran Game of Thrones.
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Jul 6, 2021 05:16
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mind the walrus posted:I would go to bat more for Johnson because I don't think he, Disney, or anyone realized that a movie where the thesis is "hey maybe we need to grow up a little" would become a wedge exploited by the Nazis to get everyone really wound up and the slap fights are more emblematic of how Twitter encourages/enables toxicity. Loads of professionals gently caress up on there daily. Oh, word?
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Jul 6, 2021 10:04
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kaworu posted:They also wasted Alexander Siddig (Bashir of DS9) in what also could have been a great casting decision if they hadn't botched the Dornish storyline completely. I liked Areo Hotah in the show as well, IIRC the actor was a big ASOIAF fan and was pretty pissed that he didn't get to do anything.
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Jul 6, 2021 12:42
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Vichan posted:I liked Areo Hotah in the show as well, IIRC the actor was a big ASOIAF fan and was pretty pissed that he didn't get to do anything. Had he read the books?
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Jul 6, 2021 12:46
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Vichan posted:I liked Areo Hotah in the show as well, IIRC the actor was a big ASOIAF fan and was pretty pissed that he didn't get to do anything. Skipping Arianne meant we didn't get a fight scene with Areo and Ser Arys, would've been great to see Hotah chop his head off Well, the whole Dorne subplot was so loving pointless it was probably for the best
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Jul 6, 2021 13:46
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It's still shocking to me to this day how thoroughly D&D bombed out such a hot ticket franchise. I mean I'm sure some sort of popularity decline after the final season was inevitable but if they'd put out even a mediocre final season HBO probably would have kept the franchise going somehow. But they tanked it so hard nobody gives a poo poo.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:21
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D&D are hopefully remembered for loving up so badly that they become this era's Hegelochus
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Jul 6, 2021 15:26
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They tricked HBO into letting them run the show then tricked themselves into thinking it was because they were good at it. I could have probably done a better job than them and have just as much experience running a high budget tv series.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:30
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Invalid Validation posted:They tricked HBO into letting them run the show then tricked themselves into thinking it was because they were good at it. I could have probably done a better job than them and have just as much experience running a high budget tv series. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you would have to try hard to find someone dumber than those two. I mean, again, it really can't be said enough; they wrote, shot, and edited a rape scene and never realized they had done so. They're definitely misogynists but I don't think they're actually on quite *that* level of hatred; I think they're just that loving stupid. Like the same way Blizzard is constantly writing cryptofascist poo poo. I don't think Blizzard are, by and large, cryptofascists, I think they're just breathtakingly stupid.
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Jul 6, 2021 17:40
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Ague Proof posted:Had he read the books? The actor who played Barristan did and D&D literally made fun of him for it and factored that into why they killed him off in such a dumb way.
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Jul 6, 2021 17:49
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Most of the good in GOT was a result of Rome.
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Jul 6, 2021 18:33
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Collateral posted:Most of the good in GOT was a result of Rome.  RoboChrist 9000 posted:Like the same way Blizzard is constantly writing cryptofascist poo poo. I don't think Blizzard are, by and large, cryptofascists, I think they're just breathtakingly stupid.
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Jul 6, 2021 18:38
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mind the walrus posted:
There's an entire thread dedicated to it in CCCC if you want to look it up. (well, be warned: half of it is FF XIV derails but it's still a good read) Some of the titles that thread went though might clue you in a bit: quote:but no, there's even worse stuff Basically they have a long history of putting cryptofascist stuff in their writing, from references to "Blood and Soil" in questlines, race war being the major plot point of WoW and their unwillingness to move past it all this time, genocide being justified as cool and good on the regular by the narrative... The issue is not just Blizzard harboring people with awful views on their team, it's also their unwillingness to deal with that stuff and abysmal community management that makes it worse. When a bunch of idiots got outraged at the existence of an LGBT only guild the mod team disbanded it immediately, whereas antisemitic and racist speech are pretty much the norm in trade channels and usually carry little to no consequence. (there's a reason "kek" was picked up by that certain fringe of the internet) Given their sharp downward spiral these past years they shouldn't be a concern for much longer though.
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TERFherder posted:Can you imagine the nasty loving phone call that must have happened after some Disney exec saw that, and said "Fire whomever chose these two asshats to lead our next trilogy". Meanwhile.. at Netflix... It was literally the next day after that convention appearance that they were fired from Star Wars. I've heard some anecdotes that Kathleen Kennedy had actually fired them as early as the Monday after the series finale of Game of Thrones had aired and Disney simply waited for the right opportunity to make it public, which D&D being entitled idiots who don't learn from their mistakes, they eventually gave them.
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Jul 7, 2021 00:00
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Ague Proof posted:Had he read the books? What little was mentioned of Hotah in the books made him sound like he was extremely deadly, always on guard against everything (and armored, iirc), and had a severe distrust for the Sand Snakes so he was even more on guard when they were around. So of course the show kills him in the dumbest manner possible and never make him look like anything more than a well dressed bodyguard with an axe instead of a sword. Collateral posted:Most of the good in GOT was a result of Rome. And multiple good actors D&D pissed away were amazing in Rome.
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Jul 7, 2021 03:16
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Evil Fluffy posted:What little was mentioned of Hotah in the books made him sound like he was extremely deadly, always on guard against everything (and armored, iirc), and had a severe distrust for the Sand Snakes so he was even more on guard when they were around. So of course the show kills him in the dumbest manner possible and never make him look like anything more than a well dressed bodyguard with an axe instead of a sword. Though to be fair all our information about Hotah comes from Hotah's internal monologue, so his self image of himself and the reality of Hotah.. irreality of Hotah? The Hotah conclusion we won't see because Sanderson will write him out of the last books, will always be a known uknown.
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Jul 7, 2021 04:27
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pseudanonymous posted:Though to be fair all our information about Hotah comes from Hotah's internal monologue, so his self image of himself and the reality of Hotah.. irreality of Hotah? The Hotah conclusion we won't see because Sanderson will write him out of the last books, will always be a known uknown. Dorne falls and Hotah becomes a worldhopper, providing the muscle for Wayne and The Lopens hijinks.
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Jul 7, 2021 04:31
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Like the same way Blizzard is constantly writing cryptofascist poo poo. I don't think Blizzard are, by and large, cryptofascists, I think they're just breathtakingly stupid.
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Jul 7, 2021 04:34
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kaworu posted:They wasted quite a few great casting decisions. Ian McShane's Ian McShane should have been Tyrion. They could have digitally shrunk him to little people size. Dinkle was kind of blah to me.
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Jul 8, 2021 01:13
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Can we finally admit that Dinklage's vocal affect loving sucked?
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Jul 8, 2021 01:17
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mind the walrus posted:Can we finally admit that Dinklage's vocal affect loving sucked? He should have used the voice of Elaines wake up service guy.
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Jul 8, 2021 01:33
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Dinklage definitely had some great scenes, mostly early on. But then he went downhill.
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RCarr posted:Dinklage definitely had some great scenes, mostly early on. But then he went downhill. D&D made the conscious choice of writing him as a clear good guy instead of the villain GRRMs been turning him into because he was s a fan favorite. This became a serious problem when they then ran out of book material and so D&D wrote original plots for him based on their own lives of being a loving idiot who gives terrible advice that ruins everything.
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