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Fried Chicken posted:Confirmed: Mouse is a good boy Next thread title found.
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quote:Q. Did Maggie LeFay Intentionally and for a purpose have a child, Thomas, with Lord Raith? Welp, we already knew Harry took after his mom.
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May 17, 2014 00:00
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Speaking of which, do we know if Maggie's going to manifest any Red Court traits? I doubt it, but I don't remember it being explicitly addressed.
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May 17, 2014 00:33
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Zore posted:Speaking of which, do we know if Maggie's going to manifest any Red Court traits? I doubt it, but I don't remember it being explicitly addressed. Maggie being the only remaining member of the red court would be probably the worst thing that could happen to Harry. So most likely yes. 
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May 17, 2014 01:27
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There is no red court. Anything red court was wiped out by the ritual - the epilogue of changes quite clearly describes what happens to anyone with red court in them. They become vanilla human, and anyone who was relying on their red court half vampire nature to live longer than they should be, rapidly aged and died. If maggie had any red court in her, it's gone now - and given that she's been described as a happy and healthy child by everyone whos met her, I would imagine it was never a big part of her to begin with, if at all.
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May 17, 2014 01:38
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The bloodline spell went up, not down. If Maggie inherited red court powers due to birth, she could still have them.
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May 17, 2014 02:02
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The books are more interesting if we have new things, not old things, to fear. While there's a number of ways to bring the red court back, it's a lazy choice.
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May 17, 2014 02:05
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Anias posted:The books are more interesting if we have new things, not old things, to fear. While there's a number of ways to bring the red court back, it's a lazy choice. It would also 100% go against Butcher's penchant for insane escalations. His Tension Ratchet(tm) only goes in one direction, Up. The Red Court were threatening as an institution, but solo Reds would be about as much threat to Dresden as a mayfly these days.
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May 17, 2014 02:33
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Wittgen posted:The bloodline spell went up, not down. If Maggie inherited red court powers due to birth, she could still have them. If it only went up, it would not go sideways. There's no red court at all. The epilogue makes that quite clear.
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May 17, 2014 02:41
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It mentions that any vampires who were far off in the Nevernever might have survived. Coincidentally the Eebs and all their buddies are still in the Erlking's court.
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May 17, 2014 03:37
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TheBeardedCrazy posted:It mentions that any vampires who were far off in the Nevernever might have survived. Coincidentally the Eebs and all their buddies are still in the Erlking's court. If they're somehow still alive, I'm sure they wish they were dead. 
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May 17, 2014 04:07
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Silento posted:If they're somehow still alive, I'm sure they wish they were dead. Especially now that Harry and the Erlking are sort of 'Frenemies' after Cold Days.
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May 17, 2014 04:41
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OK, up and over. I thought it was meant to kill everyone above the victim. They made a big deal about it being the youngest member of the blood court serving as the catalyst. And they went for Maggie because she was the youngest of her line. If it just killed everyone related to the victim in every direction forever, wouldn't it have murdered all humans? Or at least a huge chunk of people? The specifics are vague, but the curse explicitly didn't go straight down the line, so Maggie could theoretically have vampire murder urges to deal with. Struggling with a corrupting power inside of oneself is a bit of a theme in Dresden, and "I have to murder my vmapire daughter" is clearly an escalation of conflict. I don't think it will happen. Could have some lesser effect though.
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May 17, 2014 05:00
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Wittgen posted:If it just killed everyone related to the victim in every direction forever, wouldn't it have murdered all humans? Or at least a huge chunk of people? Well, you also have to keep in mind how much power is required to pull off a thing like that. It's basically stated that this is the same heart explodey curse as the one in Storm Front. And even a moderately powerful sorceror needed a ritual to generate a 'more than average' amount of power over the course of hours via the Becketts doing sex magic or whatever. That was just to kill one or two people at a go. The Red Court's version needed exponentially more juice because: A. Assume wizards have some defenses, if you can't negate them, you want to push through them B. You know of 1-2 for sure members of the bloodline (Harry and Eb) but there's a good possibility of other family being out there. So the Reds supercharge this thing with human sacrifices for days just turning this thing into a magical ICBM, there's no kill like overkill, right? So if it had gone off, there's probably a good chance of bleed through (maybe people from Harry's Dad's side of the family who might be out there; cousins and the like, maybe Susan had some extended family) but even so, you're probably not looking at more than a few dozen deaths before any blood relation is too weak for the curse to care. And a few dozen dead humans is Tuesday to the Red Court.
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May 17, 2014 05:25
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quote:4) Book 16 will be titled PEACE TALKS, and will probably be one of the more supernaturally violent books to date.
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May 17, 2014 07:04
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So I've decided to stop by Butcher's book signing here in Seattle on the 30th. Should I present him with the phrase stats I've come up with or is that just a bit too goony?
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May 17, 2014 07:34
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Captain Capacitor posted:So I've decided to stop by Butcher's book signing here in Seattle on the 30th. Should I present him with the phrase stats I've come up with or is that just a bit too goony? It's goony as hell and since he's a big nerd I bet he'd get a kick out of it.
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May 17, 2014 07:37
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Captain Capacitor posted:So I've decided to stop by Butcher's book signing here in Seattle on the 30th. Should I present him with the phrase stats I've come up with or is that just a bit too goony? Having gone to 3 different events that he's been at, I can assure you that he's more than happy to hear all manner of wacky fan stuff. The guy in front of me at the Ghost Story signing I was at started rambling about a Harry/Thomas slashfic he wrote and how it should be 'canon' and Jim just laughed and said something to the effect of "Well, if you made the situation plausible, I'm sure it could fit in there somewhere".
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May 17, 2014 07:40
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Wittgen posted:The bloodline spell went up, not down. If Maggie inherited red court powers due to birth, she could still have them. Pretty sure Red court vampires spread by the bitey method only, not through childbirth/genetics.
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May 17, 2014 08:37
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In case anyone cares, every Dresden Files book is 1.99 for the Kindle version today on amazon.
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May 17, 2014 09:52
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Ramadu posted:In case anyone cares, every Dresden Files book is 1.99 for the Kindle version today on amazon. Not all of them, just the first few books. The later ones are still full price. I think it's only up to Dead Beat
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May 17, 2014 11:35
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So skipping out on Fool Moon doesn't hurt at all? I've always been hesitant but intrigued about this series, so the special offer has got me tempted. Should I read a wiki summary on Fool Moon to get info on new characters/development or doesn't it matter in the slightest?
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May 17, 2014 12:32
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Bolverkur posted:So skipping out on Fool Moon doesn't hurt at all? I've always been hesitant but intrigued about this series, so the special offer has got me tempted. Should I read a wiki summary on Fool Moon to get info on new characters/development or doesn't it matter in the slightest? Doesn't matter, Pros - has a good "fight" scene in the middle of the book, and introduces some running characters. Cons - running characters are re-introduced in every book they re-appear in, werewolf sex while the female werewolf eats a corpse
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May 17, 2014 12:42
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Bolverkur posted:So skipping out on Fool Moon doesn't hurt at all? I've always been hesitant but intrigued about this series, so the special offer has got me tempted. Should I read a wiki summary on Fool Moon to get info on new characters/development or doesn't it matter in the slightest? I'd say just read it, how long is it going to take to skim a book? You're going to anyhow when you get into the series and the interminable waits set in, so get it out of the way now.
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May 17, 2014 14:54
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Bolverkur posted:So skipping out on Fool Moon doesn't hurt at all? I've always been hesitant but intrigued about this series, so the special offer has got me tempted. Should I read a wiki summary on Fool Moon to get info on new characters/development or doesn't it matter in the slightest? Honestly Grave Peril is almost as bad (it's sort of redeemed in the final chapters and the opening stuff with Michael is cool, and the Party of course but besides those it's pretty bland) so if you're going to read that the whole way through you may as well read Fool Moon.
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May 17, 2014 15:40
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I'm a fan of starting on book 3 and deciding you like the series. If you aren't grabbed by one of book 3 4 or 5 you aren't going to like the series anyways and can safely ignore fool moon and storm front. Also book 1 and 2 are not -terrible- they just aren't good or representative of the series as a whole.
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May 17, 2014 19:37
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You guys are way too hard on books 1 and 2. They're enjoyable romps which when compared to the rest of the series are weak, but they're by no means chores to read.
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May 17, 2014 20:47
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Storm Front especially is a tight little story that introduces the setting quite competently. Fool Moon has some questionable content in it and way too many kind of werewolves. There's really no reason to skip Storm Front though. Grave Peril has this odd skip at the beginning where they're invading the hospital and then there's this whole really long tangent/flashback before they actually go after Agatha Hagglethorn. It's always been a jarring skip to me for some reason. You can't skip book 3 though because it's basically the setup book for the rest of the series through Changes.
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May 17, 2014 20:54
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If it's your first time through, read them all. Skip whatever you want on re-reads, but first time through, read everything.
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May 17, 2014 21:43
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Just a heads up, Amazon.com's Deal of the Day is the the first 7 Dresden File novels in Kindle ebook format for $1.99 each.
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May 18, 2014 00:35
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Screen Door Slams posted:If it's your first time through, read them all. Skip whatever you want on re-reads, but first time through, read everything. This. It's not like you're getting into a life long commitment here. Storm Front and Fool Moon are some of his shortest books. They'll taken even a slow reader only a few afternoons to finish, and while they don't hold up to the later stuff, they're still better than most other genre fiction.
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May 18, 2014 01:58
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That was a great deal. Thanks for the heads up.
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May 18, 2014 03:58
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Plus you'll either learn to hate or love Murphy by the virtue of the first two books and the growth of her character that comes out of it. Also don't neglect the audiobooks! Been "Re-reading" the Dresden files by virtue of going to the gym and listening to the audiobook versions. 
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May 18, 2014 11:17
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Yes, get the audiobooks if you can. James Marsters is not only an excellent Dresden, but his acting chops really do a lot to enhance the text. Plus, his vast experience with saying goofy magical bullshit without having it sound completely ridiculous is priceless in this series.
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May 18, 2014 12:02
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Went to Amazon to order Skin Game and saw their descriptionAmazon posted:Because as Winter Knight to the Queen of Air and Darkness, Harry never knows what the scheming Mab might want him to do. Usually, it’s something awful.
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May 18, 2014 17:56
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Just finished the whole series. If I'd known this thread was here, I'd have posted my reactions as I went, but oh well. Speculation: The Gatekeeper is totally Merlin. As in, the original Merlin.
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May 18, 2014 20:04
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Chaos Sonic posted:Just finished the whole series. If I'd known this thread was here, I'd have posted my reactions as I went, but oh well. Maybe. Butcher said the original Merlin will be something that will come up very late in the series, just before the Apocalypse trilogy, so it's possible, but I find it unlikely.
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May 19, 2014 11:56
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Isn't Merlin English/Welsh, and Rashid Middle Eastern?
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May 19, 2014 12:45
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I think Merlin is most likely (Skin Game spoiler)the guy in the crystal from the first chapter of skin game. Butcher did say something about putting that guy in the first chapter because he knew he'd be coming up several books down the line.
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May 19, 2014 12:58
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New Reader Alert! I have some questions about Turn Coat. Thomas' change hurt a lot and Morgan's death hurt more than I was expecting. My question however is if Peabody was about to influence new Wardens because of their age, why did Ana get ensnared? I know she has a "new" body but her mind (not brain) is centuries old. Same with Morgan. Or was if because of the ink? I don't recall any clear answer to that in the book. Could someone with better knowledge of the book than I help?
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May 19, 2014 21:14
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