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fknlo posted:There may not be anyone on the planes, but there are still a good number of planes in the air. Way, way less than a week ago of course and it's supposed to continue dropping but they're absolutely still flying. The bumfuck Wyoming Skywest rush is still going on, but I'm sure they have to do that for whatever subsidies they get to carry corona virus to Gillette and Sheridan, Wyoming and all the other places in the middle of loving nowhere that they're flying to multiple times a day. We can’t let everything go to seed, but airline executives need to cut the crap about the lost jobs and get realistic about how many planes we need in the long term. Delta’s dead. Let the most recalcitrant airlines fail. Cut the others to size. This isn’t austerity. This is prioritising real resources on things people need to survive.
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Platystemon posted:We can’t let everything go to seed, but airline executives need to cut the crap about the lost jobs and get realistic about how many planes we need in the long term. So in a "let's let the market suss this out" sorta situation (which to be clear, I support) who wins and who loses? Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Mar 23, 2020 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:why do you think Delta is dead? Delta is probably the most likely to stay alive out of the US big 3. Nebakenezzer posted:So in a "let's let the market suss this out" sorta situation (which to be clear, I support) who wins and who looses? You two know more about the airlines’ conditions than I do. My thinking on Delta is that their fleet is the least efficient to run and it’s only going to get harder to maintain. Why is Delta most likely to survive on their own? Simply because they didn’t spend every penny they had on stock buybacks?
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Platystemon posted:You two know more about the airlines’ conditions than I do. If low demand keeps fuel dirt cheap, Delta’s operational inefficiency might be more than offset by the fact that their fleet is essentially paid for. Long live the Mad Dog!
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If France continues to not be greatly affected Delta might end up with the youngest fleet among the US majors.
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MrYenko posted:If low demand keeps fuel dirt cheap, Delta’s operational inefficiency might be more than offset by the fact that their fleet is essentially paid for. Gently used planes will also be dirt cheap.
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I wonder if there have been any studies on disease spread and air-route design. For example, I live in Pittsburgh and with a few exceptions if I'm flying somewhere I'm going through Charlotte, Atlanta, NY, DC, or Houston. That stop seems like a prime opportunity to mix and spread a virus to other travelers as opposed to flying non-stop somewhere when I can just get in and out of an airport with as little interaction as I can manage. I really wonder what structural changes we may see as a result of all this both in routes, boarding procedures, security lines, and how airports themselves are designed. There are so many places in air travel where you bunch up with other people and interact with shared surfaces. I can't even begin to image how many security bins are tainted with coronavirus at this point. Think of how you hand your ID to a TSA agent. Even though that agent is wearing gloves, you are essentially touching everyone that passed through that line.
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oil is super cheap so there's not much disadvantage to running older hardware like the 717. efficient to keep flying was largely a maintenance and spares availability problem for MD-88s and 90s so you just accelerate the retirements and cut their flight hours since your demand for flight hours is low. since those planes are ancient they're fully depreciated assets and you don't owe lease money on them. delta is carrying 10 billion in debt, and has five billion in cash and cash equivalents including receivables, vs AA is carrying roughly 40 billion in debt and a bit over five billion in cash and cash equivalents. they're still in a bad way but they are not in as bad a way as the others. delta spent a ton of money on stock buybacks, but they had the best balance sheet going in to the stock buybackstravaganza
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bull3964 posted:I wonder if there have been any studies on disease spread and air-route design. how much money do you want to pay for 1x/day frequencies? the answer for me as a extremely frequent business traveler is zero dollars
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hobbesmaster posted:If France continues to not be greatly affected Delta might end up with the youngest fleet among the US majors. France is the 4th most affected country in Europe (behind Germany, Spain and Italy in number of cases) and surpassed South Korea in number of cases. France's death rate is pretty high too. They have had over 600 deaths compared to Germany with under 100 despite having fewer total cases. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:how much money do you want to pay for 1x/day frequencies? The strict adherence to money/cost is one of the contributing factors to all of this. I mean we can just go right back to the way things were, but this is going to happen again. And again. And again with increasing frequency as animals are forced into closer proximity to humans. We kinda need to look at every tool at our disposal for mitigation and prevention in the future. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Mar 23, 2020 |
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bull3964 posted:The strict adherence to money/cost is one of the contributing factors to all of this. I mean we can just go right back to the way things were, but this is going to happen again. And again. And again with increasing frequency as animals are forced into closer proximity to humans. We kinda need to look at every tool at our disposal for mitigation and prevention in the future. That doesn’t make number go up, so lol at it ever happening.
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There are still way too many flights going in and out of Aspen and Eagle. The private jets are mostly non-existent but Skywest is still doing their thing putting people in and out of a legitimately plague ridden area. I don't understand it at all.
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fknlo posted:There are still way too many flights going in and out of Aspen and Eagle. The private jets are mostly non-existent but Skywest is still doing their thing putting people in and out of a legitimately plague ridden area. I don't understand it at all. Get ready to understand it less because there's every indication that the president is going to start countermanding closure orders soon to get things 'back to normal.' https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...VS5oJ_N51ytAOUE
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https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1242131361130926080?s=19
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It only took someone literally dying of covid at Everett for them to shut the place down Wonder how far Spirit Aero will be behind them, already a bunch of our smaller customers in Ohio, California, etc are shut down
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Who would be wanting delivery of aircraft right now anyhow?
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Boeing stock is way up on the news. I imagine everyone knows they've been hosed with the 1-2 punch of the MAX and CoViD, but them shutting down production in a big way is a sign they'll take drastic action to weather the recession.
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Nationalize boeing and the airlines hth
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NightGyr posted:Boeing stock is way up on the news. I imagine everyone knows they've been hosed with the 1-2 punch of the MAX and CoViD, but them shutting down production in a big way is a sign they'll take drastic action to weather the recession. Stop paying the workers so we can pay our quarterly dividend to the stockholders
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Bob A Feet posted:Stop paying the workers so we can pay our quarterly dividend to the stockholders It's the American way 
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Spaced God posted:Nationalize boeing and the airlines hth Nah. But don’t bail them out either. Make stock buybacks illegal too.
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I'm somewhat of an aviation fan, and since I was a kid I've always loved fighter planes and jets. One of my all time favorites is the F4U Corsair. Just browsing youtube I found this great little video about the history of the Corsair so I thought I'd post it here. I learned a lot about the plane and have even more respect for it now, such an awesome aircraft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au6rD-BdY5w
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Arson Daily posted:Nah. But don’t bail them out either. Make stock buybacks illegal too. I would like to keep my job, doesn't seem terribly likely if Boeing goes bankrupt
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I dunno, considering the North American automakers already idled all their plants, I'd say Boeing's hand was forced, so the message I hear is "we're dumb and learn nothing" Dubai International has closed itself to passenger traffic.
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MrYenko posted:If low demand keeps fuel dirt cheap, Delta’s operational inefficiency might be more than offset by the fact that their fleet is essentially paid for. Fuel’s cheap because Russia and Saudi Arabia are having a price war. But either way, high fuel costs are not going to be a problem.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Found some aeronautical insanity I've love to know more about : Hub Cat posted:There is a first hand account in this video with more pictures (starts at 18:50) https://youtu.be/Bgqc2m7aBzs?t=1131 While I realize that this is an aviation thread, I think it's necessary to point out that this movie is total Hollywood and heavily biased against the well-regarded first person account of this disaster, as detailed in Into Thin Air by journalist and experienced climber and mountaineer John Krakauer, who both summited the mountain and survived the disaster. Primarily, the film portrays Anatoli Boukreev, a guide from the Mountain Madness group, as trying to rouse Krakauer to come help with attempts to rescue other climbers. Krakauer said that this interaction did not take place. Regardless of whether this conversation did take place or not, Boukreev was a guide of a different expedition who chose to summit without supplemental oxygen and did not baby sit his clients in their final descent, and casting aspersions at Krakauer, who was essentially just a client of a different expedition, is a clear red flag of this film. To form your own opinion, I'd recommend reading thought the Wikipedia page for the disaster, the book Into Thin Air, and also the made for TV movie based on this account. Regardless the Nepalese pilot was extremely brave and helped save the lives of those two climbers.
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Lenny Nero posted:Regardless the Nepalese pilot was extremely brave and helped save the lives of those two climbers. TBH even looking up the wiki page of the disaster I got the impression that what actually happened was contested. Since we're here, I have to ask a question about Anatoli Boukreev. (Also: know almost nothing about mountain climbing.) Given everything that happened in the film, I get why Boukreev was slightly disdainful of supplemental oxygen. But, I don't get how Boukreev could stay alive and functioning up in the death zone. Was he incredibly acclimated to high altitudes, an olympic class breather, or what?
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Arson Daily posted:Make stock buybacks illegal too. They'd just do the buybacks through a rathole/intermediary.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:They'd just do the buybacks through a rathole/intermediary. Is that even possible?
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hobbesmaster posted:Is that even possible? When in doubt, write laws that *make* it possible or open loopholes to make it quasi-legal. Dark money already exists - no reason you couldn't use it to buy/hold stock.
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Sure but the point of a stock buyback is that the company itself has removed shares from the market. Doing it through a back channel doesn't remove those shares from the market.
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hobbesmaster posted:Sure but the point of a stock buyback is that the company itself has removed shares from the market. Doing it through a back channel doesn't remove those shares from the market. But it does lock them down.
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Nebakenezzer posted:TBH even looking up the wiki page of the disaster I got the impression that what actually happened was contested. Since we're here, I have to ask a question about Anatoli Boukreev. (Also: know almost nothing about mountain climbing.) One time I got into a mountaineering disaster binge and developed a small library out of it. They're all cobbled together from the inconsistent accounts of people motivated by various degrees of ego/glory preservation and filtered by barely-aware mental states under severe hypoxia, or pieced together by asynchronous events of who was seen at which camp at such and such time, or a climber wearing a X color suit at such and whatever time on whatever place on the mountain was seen through a telescope, or heard a radio transmission, or heard of an event through a telephone game of people who don't speak the same language, etc.
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Nebakenezzer posted:TBH even looking up the wiki page of the disaster I got the impression that what actually happened was contested. Since we're here, I have to ask a question about Anatoli Boukreev. (Also: know almost nothing about mountain climbing.) The death zone isn't quickly disabling hypoxia like on a plane at a high altitude, it's more like you're very drunk and exhausted the entire time and if you persist long enough eventually you will die. You can acclimate to altitude(Everest expeditions typically have an acclimation period at the various camps) but people are physically unable to acclimate to death zone levels of oxygen deprivation. Boukreev was a very experienced climber and guide with over a dozen 8k summits including multiple on Everest, it seems to come down mostly to experience, fitness,talent, and good luck.  There is decent evidence that Tibetans and Sherpa people have a genetic adaptation to high altitudes, but it's unlikely Boukreev had anything similar.(There's around 200 known ascents that have summited Everest without supplemental oxygen including 3 by Boukreev and 19 climbers have done it on all 14 of the accepted eight-thousanders)vessbot posted:One time I got into a mountaineering disaster binge and developed a small library out of it. They're all cobbled together from the inconsistent accounts of people motivated by various degrees of ego/glory preservation and filtered by barely-aware mental states under severe hypoxia, or pieced together by asynchronous events of who was seen at which camp at such and such time, or a climber wearing a X color suit at such and whatever time on whatever place on the mountain was seen through a telescope, or heard a radio transmission, or heard of an event through a telephone game of people who don't speak the same language, etc. But I will say it's incredibly unfair if the movie took a shot at Jon Krakauer he was 100% there as a client and journalist and had no duty to rescue anyone and given he had no 8k experience likely wouldn't have been much help in any case if he didn't become a casualty himself. Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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The front fell off. https://i.imgur.com/ibosIQM.mp4
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bro you gotta flare at least a little
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The pilot has a flair for the dramatic.
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Is it me or are there -0- flaps dialled in? e: poo poo, broke a float This reminds me of that Widgeon trying to land at a bend in a river & winds up eating a gravel bar PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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