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Man, even Christ himself wasn't above being a brat during his childhood. “Yeah, I'll do what normal kids do, run away from my parents during the busiest day of the year and rant at the Pharisees for a bit“. Also isn't there an apocryphal gospel where he turns his playmates into stone or something because they were mean to him? I'm on mobile so looking things up is hard. Also I don't know if I haven't already mentioned this, but I once saw a medieval depiction (that I sadly can't find anymore) of Mary literally dragging a tired Jesus to school and it was amazing.
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System Metternich posted:Also I don't know if I haven't already mentioned this, but I once saw a medieval depiction (that I sadly can't find anymore) of Mary literally dragging a tired Jesus to school and it was amazing. 
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May 14, 2017 08:35
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JcDent posted:Re fatima kids: my girlfriend found it funny that bona fide saints probably had their assess spanked by their mom at some point. I mean, that's true for almost every important figure in history.
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May 14, 2017 11:10
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Ceciltron posted:How do such people not explode from having such terrifyingly complex and partly contradictory lives? hint: It is only you that thinks it is terrifying or complex, he's just living his life. 
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May 14, 2017 11:39
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Tias posted:hint: It is only you that thinks it is terrifying or complex, he's just living his life. Fair enough. I am but a simple man.
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May 14, 2017 13:22
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Sorry if it came off a bit rough, it's just.. I always lived among the transsexuals, punks and queers, and a good rule of thumb is that we don't spend 5% of the time everyone else does wondering about how weird and confusing our lives must be.
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May 14, 2017 13:32
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Tias posted:Sorry if it came off a bit rough, it's just.. I always lived among the transsexuals, punks and queers, and a good rule of thumb is that we don't spend 5% of the time everyone else does wondering about how weird and confusing our lives must be. Oh I get that, and nobody asked me to think about them, I know. I just wonder where people find the time to just BE so many things! I barely have enough time to shave in the morning.
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May 14, 2017 16:52
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I don't think being trans anything takes up more time than being straight white male. Like I don't have to eat a kilo of mayo, oppress a woman and kick a minority to maintain my license to be a white hetero dude.
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You don't have to, strictly speaking, but that's not the kind of attitude that's going to earn you any advancement in the hierarchy of the cabal.
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Ceciltron posted:Oh I get that, and nobody asked me to think about them, I know. I just wonder where people find the time to just BE so many things! I barely have enough time to shave in the morning. you are a lot of things, it's just "heterosexual cisgender white male christian {whatever your occupation is here}" seems "normal" while "straight trans woman jodoshinshu buddhist japanese student religion scholar" has a lot of words you're not used to so you assume it's "more work" when really, the only work is not laughing when guys turn their heads to stare at your boobs or ask you if they can "suck them titties, them some big rear end titties"
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Numerical Anxiety posted:You don't have to, strictly speaking, but that's not the kind of attitude that's going to earn you any advancement in the hierarchy of the cabal. religionthread sassy this morning
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Senju Kannon posted:you are a lot of things, it's just "heterosexual cisgender white male christian {whatever your occupation is here}" seems "normal" while "straight trans woman jodoshinshu buddhist japanese student religion scholar" has a lot of words you're not used to so you assume it's "more work" when really, the only work is not laughing when guys turn their heads to stare at your boobs or ask you if they can "suck them titties, them some big rear end titties" What are you talking about, it's really hard for me to remember to have a dick if I also have a shift at the code factory that day.
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May 14, 2017 21:48
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cis autodrag posted:What are you talking about, it's really hard for me to remember to have a dick if I also have a shift at the code factory that day. Straight up forgot my privilege on the way out the door this morning, can't tell you how embarrassing. Went home to get it at lunch but I got arrested for breaking into my own home 
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May 14, 2017 22:11
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Ceciltron posted:Straight up forgot my privilege on the way out the door this morning, can't tell you how embarrassing. Went home to get it at lunch but I got arrested for breaking into my own home Lol.
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May 14, 2017 22:38
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Ceciltron posted:Straight up forgot my privilege on the way out the door this morning, can't tell you how embarrassing. Went home to get it at lunch but I got arrested for breaking into my own home 
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Can anyone give some reading suggestions for where to start with radical / leftist Christianity? I'm particularly interested in liberation theology, but I have no where to jump in at.
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mythomanic posted:Can anyone give some reading suggestions for where to start with radical / leftist Christianity? I'm particularly interested in liberation theology, but I have no where to jump in at. gustavo guttierez jon sobrino ignacio ellacuria marcella althaus-reid robert goss (currently robert shore-goss but his books aren't published under that name) chung hyun kyung aloysius pieris kwok pui lan james hal cone musa m dube there's a lot of others, some more womanist, some more queer, some more post-colonial, but that's a good list of a lot of good theologians (aka as many as i can think of off the top of my head lmao)
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May 15, 2017 01:21
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mythomanic posted:Can anyone give some reading suggestions for where to start with radical / leftist Christianity? I'm particularly interested in liberation theology, but I have no where to jump in at. Tolstoy is a good start "The Kingdom of God is Within You" or "What I believe" especially.
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May 15, 2017 04:41
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God bless you, Satan.
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May 15, 2017 10:25
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To be fair, that is the NATO reporting name, it's R-36 to the Russians IIRC
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Maybe you'll remember a post I did some time ago itt about the liturgical prerogatives of Latin kings and emperors and the presence of weapons in medieval/early modern Catholic liturgy. Well, today I read a very interesting article (in German) about some of the traditional rights and prerogatives still afforded by the Church to the French president as successor to the Kings of France. When he was inaugurated yesterday, Macron automatically became honorary canon at nine churches throughout France; some of those even go with the right for Macron to wear liturgical clothing and occupy a special seat of honour in the church choir. He also became honorary canon at the Archbasilica of St John in Lateran in Rome, nothing less than the highest-ranking church of the RCC. This specific title goes back to the French abbey of Clairac, whose income went to the Basilica until the Reformation, when the monks became Calvinist. Henry IV began the payments anew in 1604, and so to this day there is a French priest sitting in the Lateran chapter carrying the title prefect of an abbey that has been defunct for almost five centuries (the payments ceased again in 1871, though). All French presidents since René Coty in 1957 have gladly accepted that specific title, and every year on December 13th there is a Mass "pro felici ac prospero statu Galliae" ("for the happiness and prosperity of France") said in the basilica in the presence of the French ambassador. Some presidents also have chosen to enter that specific office with a solemn mass in St John Lateran, and they are the only ones who have the right to enter the church on horsebacl. All other canon titles have never been formally accepted by any French president, though. Then there is the office of "co-prince" of Andorra, a tiny state nestled in the Pyrenees between France and Spain that's (in theory) governed both by the President of France and the Bishop of Urgell in Spain. The President of France also used to have a very specific prerogative: when the Papal Nuncio to Paris got created cardinal, it was the President and not the Pope who would place the biretta on his head. This last happened in 1959, after which by papal decree all such ceremonies must take place in Rome. It used to be that the monarchs of Austria-Hungary, Spain and Portugal also claimed that prerogative, but I don't know if it has survived in any of those countries or their successors. And finally there is something which isn't merely ceremonial, but instead a tangible matter of power: when strict laicism became the law of the land in France in 1905, the territories of Alsace and Lorraine were part of Imperial Germany and not affected by the law. When those areas returned to France in 1918, it was never formally extended to them, and so to this day the President of France has the right to appoint the bishops of Strasbourg and Metz. He is the last temporal sovereign having that power; in all other cases where the state plays a role in the appointment of bishops, it is afaik either by reserving a veto power for themselves (the prime ministers of Bavaria for example have that right in theory, and all Bavarian bishops need to take an oath to the Bavarian constitution before starting into their office) or strictly advisory. I don't know how much French presidents really have made use of that prerogative, though.  Charles de Gaulle during a service in St Peter's in 1959  The ambassador of France being incensed during the annual Mass for France, 2016
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That's really interesting! Pity it's not going to Melonchamp.
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JcDent posted:That's really interesting! Eh, not to bring politics into a religion thread, but it's at least debatable whether Mélenchon would really have been the better option. It would have been pretty funny to see an avowed socialist being named honorary canon of St John Lateran, though 
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JcDent posted:Melonchamp. Jean-Couguar Melonchamp is my favorite heartland rocker.
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a macaroon is a cookie, a macaron is another kind of cookie, a macro is a picture on the internet, and one of those is also the president of france
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No, no, France elected a Latin diacritical mark as president.
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i thought it was a game you played in the pool
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cis autodrag posted:shall we talk about how much of modern christianity derives from the canonization of paradise lost? Just as a quick thing, but would you be able to talk more about this? Do you mean the way in which Satan becomes a creature humanity is far more at ease with? With Christianity and "Faith" in general waning because it provides both no certainties and, to those of us who are perhaps more worldy, no path to temporal power? also: I agree.
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System Metternich posted:And finally there is something which isn't merely ceremonial, but instead a tangible matter of power: when strict laicism became the law of the land in France in 1905, the territories of Alsace and Lorraine were part of Imperial Germany and not affected by the law. When those areas returned to France in 1918, it was never formally extended to them, and so to this day the President of France has the right to appoint the bishops of Strasbourg and Metz. He is the last temporal sovereign having that power; in all other cases where the state plays a role in the appointment of bishops, it is afaik either by reserving a veto power for themselves (the prime ministers of Bavaria for example have that right in theory, and all Bavarian bishops need to take an oath to the Bavarian constitution before starting into their office) or strictly advisory. I don't know how much French presidents really have made use of that prerogative, though. The Prime Minister chooses Church of England bishops from a two person shortlist, chosen by a panel which includes a member appointed by the PM. I think these days its agreed the PM just chooses who they're told to, but Thatcher blocked a candidate for being too "liberal" (giving a gently caress about the poor), and went with the second option.
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I saw that Yes Prime Minister episode
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Mr Enderby posted:The Prime Minister chooses Church of England bishops from a two person shortlist, chosen by a panel which includes a member appointed by the PM. I think these days its agreed the PM just chooses who they're told to, but Thatcher blocked a candidate for being too "liberal" (giving a gently caress about the poor), and went with the second option. Yeah, but I meant “temporal power explicitly being afford the right to appoint bishops by the Roman Curia“, of which the French president is the last example of. The Chinese government also appoints bishops (or used to, wasn't there some sort of agreement with Rome recently?) but those aren't recognised by the Vatican. Do other countries where some form of Christianity is the state religion/established church also have this sort of power? I'm thinking especially of the Scandinavian states here. I presume that at least the monarchies in the Muslim world have this w/r/t imams too, but tbh I really don't know. Also I didn't know that about Thatcher, goddamn
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System Metternich posted:Yeah, but I meant “temporal power explicitly being afford the right to appoint bishops by the Roman Curia“, of which the French president is the last example of. The Chinese government also appoints bishops (or used to, wasn't there some sort of agreement with Rome recently?) but those aren't recognised by the Vatican. I think most of the Chinese bishops have since been legitimised by the Vatican, but there's still some that are Chinese Patriotic Catholic Church only.
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P-Mack posted:I think most of the Chinese bishops have since been legitimised by the Vatican, but there's still some that are Chinese Patriotic Catholic Church only.
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So I'm finally going to school again, what saints are good for students?
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Really wanted to share this.
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Tias posted:So I'm finally going to school again, what saints are good for students? i'm gonna guess ignatius loyolla
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Tias posted:So I'm finally going to school again, what saints are good for students? Smart students: Catherine of Alexandria Tech students: Isidore of Sevilla Theology students: Thomas Aquinas Bad students: flying monk!
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Paladinus posted:Really wanted to share this. Anti-clerical art is really loving good imo I wanna know more about, uh, "clerical" art though, i.e. art where clergymen and -women are portrayed as badass as possible. All I can think of right now is this:  but surely there must be more e: pidan posted:Bad students: flying monk! St Joseph of Cupertino, the best flying monk 
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pidan posted:Smart students: Catherine of Alexandria Now I have to hear more about the flying monk.
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pidan posted:Tech students: Isidore of Sevilla When I had to choose my baptism saint, it was between him and Francis de Sales. I went with the shitposter option.
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