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Endorph posted:if theyre reworking summoner (and theyve all but said they are) theres no reason why they wouldnt rework scholar at the same time, especially since the healer role overall seems like one of their main focuses this expansion. i really dont have the pessimism that theyll just bury scholar completely in favor of sage. tanks were one of the main focuses of shadowbringers and every tank ended up in a pretty good place. warrior's got some jank stat priority wise but it plays totally fine. And TBF WAR's stat priority is only really an issue if you're swapping tank classes a lot when doing EX/Savage prog/farm, which I don't think is a large amount of people. It's pretty annoying for those that do tho.
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Chillgamesh posted:Yeah I have a feeling it's gonna be SGE : SCH :: WHM : AST. This solves two problems, too, since iirc they said Sage and Scholar shields wouldn't stack; If Scholar has a ton of buffs to give it won't feel quite as bad that you're losing healing if you have a Sage and Scholar in the same group, and MSQ/Alliance Raid content is never going to be difficult enough that you're going to die because you didn't have the extra healing. As a SCH main, no disrespect taken, because I also wouldn't mind if it changed dramatically.
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My prediction is they're working along two axes for the four healers. There's the stated pure/shield healer divide, but also a secondary personal dps/party dps divide. WHM is pure/personal, AST will be pure/party. Sage and Scholar will be the shield healers, but which one focuses on personal dps and which has more party boosting could flip. SCH already has Chain Stratagem, but that's not much to write home about.
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Aren't they changing roulettes to split by regen/shield healer role so you dont get sage+sch in one group?
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aers posted:Aren't they changing roulettes to split by regen/shield healer role so you dont get sage+sch in one group? It’s gonna be a stealth weighting thing, iirc, like how they always try to weight roulette selections to have a balance between ranged/magic and melee dps. The game will try to place healers in such a way to avoid redundancy but it’s not gonna make people wait extra time if possible just to ensure that balance.
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Jul 23, 2021 07:49
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Blockhouse posted:There's got to be more to it than just the surface, at the very least. They aren't going to have a bunch of characters loudly standing around talking about how weird that was and then it turn out to not really be weird at all. But it does not effect Alisaie Facestabber and Alphinaud Carbunclewrangler.
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Jul 23, 2021 12:11
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I think you mean Alisaie and Alphinaud Vremaix. because my wol adopted both of them
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Jul 23, 2021 12:16
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With the fact he's picking up Sage in Endwalker, his new name is clearly Alphinaud Ray.
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Jul 23, 2021 12:52
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Cleretic posted:With the fact he's picking up Sage in Endwalker, his new name is clearly Alphinaud Ray. drat, RIP Alphinaud's dad then.
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Jul 23, 2021 13:04
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Ibblebibble posted:drat, RIP Alphinaud's dad then. Good
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Jul 23, 2021 13:33
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Nessus posted:My guess is that there will turn out to be some kind of geas on "the Levellieur family," one way or another, which would have either interfered hugely with an investigation or which might have literally brain clamped our son and daughter here. Yea it may be an artifact of Japanese writing but I also felt his emphasis on 'you no longer have the Levellieur name' in that was setup for some EW reveal that somehow the family is being bound
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Jul 23, 2021 14:44
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My guess is that they were disowned to give them greater political autonomy but who knows
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Jul 23, 2021 15:34
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Y'know, it all makes sense now. Tem Rey, just like Forteteterete Levillieur, was an intellectual who, while very smart, was absolutely terrible with his kids. Also he got sucked out an airlock, suffered from oxygen deprivation and eventually died by falling down a flight of stairs.
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sexpig by night posted:Yea it may be an artifact of Japanese writing but I also felt his emphasis on 'you no longer have the Levellieur name' in that was setup for some EW reveal that somehow the family is being bound If he'd come in formal and reserved? Different story. Or if he'd acted shocked at the Eorzeans making a pitch. But he had to have had a pretty good idea of what he was about to be asked. Either he was compelled or he was doing something on purpose, although even if it turned out to be some kind of end run evasion around a geas he still deserves an rear end kicking. SirSamVimes posted:I think you mean Alisaie and Alphinaud Vremaix.
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Jul 23, 2021 17:29
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Alphinaud Wyrmblood
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Nessus posted:Dude was also pretty cheerful coming in and left immediately thereafter. Like, part of why he came off like such a dickhead is that he had an abrupt step-change in his behavior in the middle of the meeting. yea him going from normal to 'you are no longer my family' and the reports of Sharlayans stonewalling anyone who talks to them speak to something sinister beyond the obvious 'you assholes are gonna leave us to die' angle. Big 'there is no war in Ba Sing Sae' energy.
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Endorph posted:if theyre reworking summoner (and theyve all but said they are) theres no reason why they wouldnt rework scholar at the same time, especially since the healer role overall seems like one of their main focuses this expansion. i really dont have the pessimism that theyll just bury scholar completely in favor of sage. tanks were one of the main focuses of shadowbringers and every tank ended up in a pretty good place. warrior's got some jank stat priority wise but it plays totally fine. They massacred dark knight and ruined drat near everything I loved about it. Gunbringer mostly picks up the slack, but I loved SB drk and the one one just feels so drat boring. Also give the Butcher's Block animation back to warriors drat it. It's way cooler than Storm's Path.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:42
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I think y'all need to prepare for the roughly 99% possibility that Endwalker ends with the twins and Fourchenault reconciling. Already dreading the discourse.
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Blockhouse posted:I think y'all need to prepare for the roughly 99% possibility that Endwalker ends with the twins and Fourchenault reconciling. Hush they are our children!
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Blockhouse posted:I think y'all need to prepare for the roughly 99% possibility that Endwalker ends with the twins and Fourchenault reconciling. I have a bad feeling it's going to turn out all along that Daddy Levillieur was only being an rear end in a top hat to protect Alphinaud and Alisaie from some terrible secret or to spurn them on to achieve something he could not and they'll reconcile as he sacrifices himself for them and it's going to suck
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multijoe posted:I have a bad feeling it's going to turn out all along that Daddy Levillieur was only being an rear end in a top hat to protect Alphinaud and Alisaie from some terrible secret or to spurn them on to achieve something he could not and they'll reconcile as he sacrifices himself for them and it's going to suck He's gonna die, and it's gonna feel sweet, but at the last second we'll get an echo that tells us that he was actually protecting them all along.
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multijoe posted:I have a bad feeling it's going to turn out all along that Daddy Levillieur was only being an rear end in a top hat to protect Alphinaud and Alisaie from some terrible secret or to spurn them on to achieve something he could not and they'll reconcile as he sacrifices himself for them and it's going to suck this is the most logical outcome and with the "wow it was really weird that he did that!" stuff I feel like it's obvious enough to anyone that that's the set-up
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Jul 23, 2021 19:13
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i think the writing will be good because this games writing has generally been good and its weird to get pessimistic about something we have like two seconds of setup to work off of.
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Endorph posted:i think the writing will be good because this games writing has generally been good and its weird to get pessimistic about something we have like two seconds of setup to work off of. Yeah, agreed. Not being pessimistic just saying that this is probably where they're going with this and people probably shouldn't get too deep into their Fourchenault revenge fantasies.
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i mean i doubt the game will go full 'he did literally nothign wrong' either but the game also never really indulges revenge fantasies so of course it wont go that direction.
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Blockhouse posted:I think y'all need to prepare for the roughly 99% possibility that Endwalker ends with the twins and Fourchenault reconciling. I'm teasing my one friend because all through Shadowbringers, she was doing the whole tsundere thing with Emet-Selch. Just endless "God I hate him, I just want to slap him." and then the instant he died, it was a full 180 to "Oh god, I miss him, I loved him so much." As of this moment, she hates Dadphinaud with a passion, so I keep assuring her that she'll be eating out of his hand by the end of EW. But yeah, you know something is going to happen to redeem him or otherwise put him into a positive light.
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there's gonna be more going on with daddy leveillieur, and it's most likely gonna end with him and his kids reconciling. but even with the angle that he has more information than his kids there's still the fact he had the same problem with his own dad who he never had a good rebuttal against grampa's "it's actually good to help people not die horribly" stance odds are the dad will get owned and then mend his ways, as is custom in jrpgs
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I'm really looking forward to meeting the twins' mother.
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Papa Leveilleur dies and you get an Echo flashback. ...it's just Emet-Selch looking at you saying "sometimes dads are just terrible people."
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Bruceski posted:Papa Leveilleur dies and you get an Echo flashback. Honestly? Personally, I kinda hope it is really that simple, that Dadphinaud is just a prick because he's from Sharlayan and Sharlayans are predisposed to being arrogant dicks. I don't believe for a moment that it's going to shake out that way, but, it's sorta what I'm hoping. No deep dark secret, they're all just a bunch of assholes who want to keep their lessers away from their bomb shelter.
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I pronounce Sharlayan like an Aussie says “Charlene” and I don’t know if I’ve been doing it wrong
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Jul 23, 2021 21:10
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It sounds just how it looks. Shar Lay An.
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jokes posted:I pronounce Sharlayan like an Aussie says “Charlene” and I don’t know if I’ve been doing it wrong When Y'shtola says it during the trailer, it sounds like she's saying "Shar-Lee-In"
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I pronounce it like the son of Zeon Zum Deikun is taking a nap. Char layin'.
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Blockhouse posted:I think y'all need to prepare for the roughly 99% possibility that Endwalker ends with the twins and Fourchenault reconciling. dad ascian so what
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Jul 23, 2021 22:20
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FAUXTON posted:dad ascian so what The Maker's Ruin intensifies
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I do agree it'd be really funny if there was no twist or ploy or whatever and papa L was just an rear end in a top hat who's weird and antisocial and that's why his announcement was so odd. "Oh, no we didn't find that strange, dad's just loving terrible at talking to people."
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Yeah, to me it just read like a fancy fantasy way of saying "Listen kids, I know better than you and you're too much like your grandfather. If you won't take my counsel, then so be it, you're on your own." And then it's an arc about teaching your centrist dad that better things are possible actually
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I'd much prefer it being "I'm kicking you out to give you free reign to do whatever/to protect you" e: however FAUXTON posted:dad ascian so what
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