EightAce posted:

And as the hands on the doomsday clock move inexorably forward. As the staff begin to aggressively question management decisions. As once again the frame rate hits below 10 fps with only one player, before crashing......
Chris's rear end in a top hat blinks like a beacon as he prepares the escape pod.

Quavers posted:

CIG doing orbital physics, what could possibly go wrong...




Fidelity!

ManofManyAliases posted:

If indeed this is consumer fraud, and consumers have had years to bring a claim, they would have already done so especially given the number of backers that have dumped more than $1k each and could validate a class. That's one.
Two: I never claimed there would not be refunds. I said CIG does not have to oblige to offer them.
Three: loving lol if you think you have this thing figured out when it's more than obvious you're doing nothing but barking at clouds and trying to get people to notice you. Hell, I'm responding to you so it's working, eh pal?

Sarsapariller posted:

Consider that maybe people know he's trolling, but it's kind of fun to take running starts at a strawman idiot-SC-backer when no real ones have made themselves available.

Daztek posted:

http://i.imgur.com/G2mqEv3.gifv

star

citizen

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/08/09/first-person-superhero-sim-megaton-rainfall-flies-to-ps4-ps-vr-september-26/

doingitwrong posted:

peter gabriel posted:

Best posters, best thread

Daztek posted:

lol at derek's new AV

peter gabriel posted:

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/iq_derek/status/895361471365992449

ManofManyAliases posted:

If indeed this is consumer fraud, and consumers have had years to bring a claim, they would have already done so especially given the number of backers that have dumped more than $1k each and could validate a class. That's one.
Two: I never claimed there would not be refunds. I said CIG does not have to oblige to offer them.
Three: loving lol if you think you have this thing figured out when it's more than obvious you're doing nothing but barking at clouds and trying to get people to notice you. Hell, I'm responding to you so it's working, eh pal?

ManofManyAliases posted:

If indeed this is consumer fraud, and consumers have had years to bring a claim, they would have already done so especially given the number of backers that have dumped more than $1k each and could validate a class

ManofManyAliases posted:

Hey Pal: I think I can continue to be as smug as I want in knowing that CIG is hard at work making the foundational systems that will carry the project for the next decade. 5 Years in (6, by some fuzzy math by resident non-accredited PhDs) is not a call for concern. I think a lot of the hurt and pain experienced by some of you stems from the fact that you have no insight into a private company's operations or financials and just bark at clouds because half of you don't understand the gaming business. CIG projected deadlines. CIG missed deadlines because of reasons (contractors leaving, internal structuring, whatever). CIG learned form mistakes and have toned-down deadline speak. Comparatively, the project is more open than the likes of EA or Activision, or any other gaming studio when it comes to systems, gameplay, art, etc.

You guys want to attach a filter to my posts, stating that I'm some sort of troll, backer, employee, shill - whatever. Fact is, half of this thread is simply getting-off on dropping a ninja-comment and leaving just for the lulz, Derek doesn't realize he's been played like a fiddle, and some of you really just want to watch CIG burn because of some arm-chair investigation.

You know what? I'm glad of it. Keep up all the good work. The more Derek, nawledge, and whoever post about it in twitter, reddit, etc, the more exposure CIG gets.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Hey Pal: I think I can continue to be as smug as I want in knowing that CIG is hard at work making the foundational systems that will carry the project for the next decade. 5 Years in (6, by some fuzzy math by resident non-accredited PhDs) is not a call for concern. I think a lot of the hurt and pain experienced by some of you stems from the fact that you have no insight into a private company's operations or financials and just bark at clouds because half of you don't understand the gaming business. CIG projected deadlines. CIG missed deadlines because of reasons (contractors leaving, internal structuring, whatever). CIG learned form mistakes and have toned-down deadline speak. Comparatively, the project is more open than the likes of EA or Activision, or any other gaming studio when it comes to systems, gameplay, art, etc.

You guys want to attach a filter to my posts, stating that I'm some sort of troll, backer, employee, shill - whatever. Fact is, half of this thread is simply getting-off on dropping a ninja-comment and leaving just for the lulz, Derek doesn't realize he's been played like a fiddle, and some of you really just want to watch CIG burn because of some arm-chair investigation.

You know what? I'm glad of it. Keep up all the good work. The more Derek, nawledge, and whoever post about it in twitter, reddit, etc, the more exposure CIG gets.

Lladre posted:

MUTE Tophat!


Seriously though you need to turn down the gain on your mic.

G0RF posted:

Well crap there's a slap fight underway with MOMA and I just wrote an effort post for the thread as an overdue thank you for all who've welcomed me back so warmly.

Sorry MOMA if this complicates whatever you have going. You never reply to me but I like you anyway and am glad you're here.


Thats kind of you to say, BNBL - I appreciate it. I really do enjoy the camaraderie of the thread, despite the occasional derailments into cruelty. (I'd blame my disdain for bloodsport on age, but I think I just like people too much.) The time off was needed but man, it was hard staying quiet sometimes! Though I'm past the point of effort post indictments, and feel like charts and graphics are the more constructive outlet, please indulge me one that's overdue for those who've persevered here.

It's little remarked upon, perhaps little appreciated even here that the SA/SC has served some constructive purposes over its long life. (And Erillion and you /DS lurkers please sit down before you read the next paragraph because what follows WILL SHOCK YOU. Because not all of us have destructive methods or ends, no matter how fervently you drat us as one monstrousity of ill intent.)

The Kotaku UK series about Star Citizen came about in small part as a result of the madcap industriousness of goon research/postings on myriad topics. It made for compulsive reading, the best ringside seat to the most bizarre show in gaming. The sheer absurdity documented in prior pages lit beacon flares that passed one to the next and something rather miraculous happened; Gaming Journalism. Goons didn't MAKE them do anything, and Derek's personal crusade created its own complicated tensions (how could it not -- he broke Star Marine's story loudly and started his own set of avalanches -- if you doubt it check the July blog. ).

Kotaku UK chose to tackle what was pre-ordained to be a thankless task out of their own good grace. But write it they did, with extensive, carefully planned out research in advance, interviews with parties inside and out, present and past, on the record and off, and in the end, among other things, somebody actually wrestled the god's honest truth right out of Chris's own mouth about what actually happened with Illfonic and Star Marine.

Only the most deluded of zealots would today dare claim it was FUD. What it actually was was a brief, shining glimpse at something almost entirely missing from the 5 year proceedings: A Bright Moment of Accountability. Even now, the Erillions and Joe Blobers and DisturbedJim's of the world actually have a richer understanding of that period in CIG's history. It is accepted as accomplished fact, no longer debated, all narratives revised to admit "yes, the Illfonic relationship and project was mismanaged on both ends." And better still, employees of CIG and Foundry were given a chance to air their own griefs and frustrations, for lest we forget, they too have voices and not all sing in constant praise around the throne of their master and his process. Our efforts to raise awareness once were derided as FUD, and revisiting that MMORPG post about Star Marine speaks it plain, but FUD lead to FACT for all. Their understanding, ours and the gaming world's at large was advanced by that effort, and in some small but meaningful way, this thread played a part. And I am glad of it.

When I read the full story for the first time and saw all the sound bites, all the blanks finally filled in, knowing what I'd learned in advance of it, the little part we'd played, I just lit right up -- and must've had that stupid smile on my face for an hour. I just felt this warm, tiny shard of personal pride that I couldn't hope to fully explain to friends -- it would take 5000 pages of preamble and make even Portney's Complaint look like a brisk setup to its punchline. It was a shibboleth pride in the bizarre ongoing collaboration of strangers towards an improbably sometimes constructive end -- jokers, programmers, mockers, writers, haters, gamers, trolls and more -- trying to make finer sense of the madness of Star Citizen.

That is why, incidentally, the accusations of Erillion strike me as so comic. Take away the skeptics from this project and it's narrative is solely authored by the Chris Roberts and Erillions and Joe Blobers of the world. The backers would have less truth, not more, less objectivity, not more. All claims, no matter how outlandish, would be given credence. All histories revised to best accommodate future narratives. Star Marine would've been the sole and exclusive fault of "those illfonic idiots" but actually it was already in the game and all that stuff about "weeks not months" and Gold Horizon and "procedurally generated environmental destruction like in Battlefield" would be treated as canon rather than fodder, validation rather vapidity. We'd still have the old weekly trainwreck that was "Reverse the Verse" because all its stupidities would remain unremarked upon. All stories about the project would be clickbait and shillery, and while that might mean even more money in Chris's pockets, it would also mean less urgency to demonstrate that the funds thus far given will lead to the outcome formerly agreed upon.

So, anyway, I'm glad to be playing my small part again as I can, BNBL. Unlike many, I still don't want to see the company brought to ruination, even though Chris might deserve a chastening. I'd rather see the accountability long needed and only occasionally extracted from him made permanent. I don't expect that, of course, but I long for it anyway because well, I like people too much. Seeing the mighty brought low for their hubris loses its satisfactions knowing that those who suffered in their shadow suffer more in their downfall. If such a moment comes, and I hope it doesn't, the ones at the top get to fly away anyway. Business class, in fact, because they deserve to be comfortable especially in the hard times, and the fans will never know anyway.

Thoatse posted:

that mechanic sounds like it's an inch deep and a mile wide

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/895350009574690820

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/895350009574690820

EightAce posted:

And as the hands on the doomsday clock move inexorably forward. As the staff begin to aggressively question management decisions. As once again the frame rate hits below 10 fps with only one player, before crashing......
Chris's rear end in a top hat blinks like a beacon as he prepares the escape pod.

peter gabriel posted:

it'll take mopre than this to stop me shitp[osytin

Mod Translation Edit: I don't fuckin know, something about oysters maybe?

Sabreseven posted:

Why do you assume "the would've done so already" ? That's like saying "If the world was going to be hit by an asteroid that wiped out all life, it would've happened years ago". It doesn't mean it won't happen eventually.

I'm thinking it'll happen when either:

A) Game is released and is poo poo/nothing like what was proposed

or

B) CIG go bust/close shop/try to hide

You know these things usually need some sort of 'trigger' to set them off, to bring people together with a common goal, to get a class action going.

peter gabriel posted:

Operation tomorrow, pain killers kicking in, desire to edit posts fading

Snazzy Frocks posted:

imagine if chris sells the entire operation to some entity and runs off with the payout

Snazzy Frocks posted:

imagine if chris sells the entire operation to some entity and runs off with the payout

aleksendr posted:

Can i offer C: ?


C: Game

aleksendr posted:

Like he did for Freelancer ?