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sweet geek swag posted:Are grown up models for Alisaie and Alphinaud a thing the devs have said they're working on, or is this just wishful thinking? The latter. People think "elezen take a while to have growth spurts" is foreshadowing a redesign but I think it's actually justifying a reason why they're not going to do one
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Let me live my dreams of the WoL falling into a magical sleep and waking up years later to grown up versions of Alphinaud, Alisae, Ryne, and Gaia, who have teleported over from the First because they can do that.
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Jul 25, 2021 02:07
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People kind of wish the twins would grow up because it's a little ridiculous that they haven't and are still treated as children even after everything they've accomplished, and also because if they aren't at least eighteen and probably more than that by now the game's timeline makes no sense at all. But yeah, I'm starting to get the impression that they don't plan on doing this ever.
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Jul 25, 2021 02:11
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It's amusing to remember that everyone introduced before A Realm Reborn is 5 years older relative to the Warrior of Light than they "should" be. Mildly reversed Rydia syndrome.
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Jul 25, 2021 02:13
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remember that after all this it's still 5 years after the calamity
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Jul 25, 2021 02:18
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Rand Brittain posted:People kind of wish the twins would grow up because it's a little ridiculous that they haven't and are still treated as children even after everything they've accomplished, and also because if they aren't at least eighteen and probably more than that by now the game's timeline makes no sense at all. They did a one year time skip so they're 17 now. Anime rules.
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Jul 25, 2021 02:28
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Rand Brittain posted:People kind of wish the twins would grow up because it's a little ridiculous that they haven't and are still treated as children even after everything they've accomplished, and also because if they aren't at least eighteen and probably more than that by now the game's timeline makes no sense at all. Unless they change the way the view the passage of time in the game, the twins aren't going to grow up. There's the possibility of them wanting to do something different and push the timeline forward in the future, but at present everyone and everything exists in a kind of nebulous time bubble that is always expanding but that barely or never passes. I think Tataru mentions a specific passage of time at one point, but it's a rare exception. petcarcharodon posted:remember that after all this it's still 5 years after the calamity It's pretty much this. It's always 5 years after the Calamity. Which is ridiculous to think about because of everything that's gone down in that period, but it's not intended to be thought about.
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Jul 25, 2021 02:41
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Yeah Koji talked about it before and he directly compared it to The Simpsons
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Jul 25, 2021 02:46
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Well it's six years now that they've directly said Shadowbringers took about a year.
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Jul 25, 2021 02:47
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Blockhouse posted:Well it's six years now that they've directly said Shadowbringers took about a year. 6 and some change. The prancing about between continents in SB was also said to take a month or so.
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Jul 25, 2021 02:53
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There are only two ways we see grownup sprites of the twins: - Some vision/time travel plot involving the future - XIV straight up ends and there's some sort of timeskip in the final epilogue.
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Jul 25, 2021 03:44
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I think part of the reason they haven't committed to a concrete timeline is so you can have your own interpretation.
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Jul 25, 2021 03:47
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It's not five years since the calamity, Tataru mentions in post Stormblood that it's been a year and a half since the banquet at the end of ARR so including ShB, it's been at least two years since the end of ARR.
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Jul 25, 2021 04:38
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Yeah, new players start at After Calamity 5, but we're at like After Calamity 7 probably. It's just that there aren't any like, major cities that blew up in that period inside of Eorzea.
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Jul 25, 2021 05:23
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really the timeline's just intentionally vague. its not quite simpsons time where things never progress at all, its more just 'some undefined amount of years have passed.'
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Jul 25, 2021 06:08
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Whenever you start a patch, they're always like "Oh hey WoL nice to see you again, it's been a while" as if the three months also passed in-universe
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Jul 25, 2021 06:28
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Thankfully it’s usually supposed to be like a couple days or whatever. I think the entire events of FF14 take place over a couple months?
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Jul 25, 2021 06:36
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Absolutely not.
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Jul 25, 2021 06:38
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Where did the backstory about Nael show up? The wiki doesn't cite anything, just says "the reveal was a mystery to English audiences until two years [after her face was revealed in Binding Coil]".
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Jul 25, 2021 06:43
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I thought that the time for the entire events of FF14 are never specifically determined but aren’t in excess of a year?
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Jul 25, 2021 06:51
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jokes posted:I thought that the time for the entire events of FF14 are never specifically determined but aren’t in excess of a year?
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Jul 25, 2021 06:54
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They should just have them get a little taller in every scene in Endwalker until the end when you realize they're now your height. (assuming not lala)
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Jul 25, 2021 07:01
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I vaguely remember (mostly by way of joking about it) that while Eorzea-side timeframes aren't really mentioned, the implied timeframes say that the longest expansion by in-world time is Stormblood, largely by virtue of the multiple voyages across oceans. I'm not sure how long the voyage between Eorzea and the Far East is, but people are implied to take it without teleporting... a lot of times.
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Bruceski posted:Where did the backstory about Nael show up? The wiki doesn't cite anything, just says "the reveal was a mystery to English audiences until two years [after her face was revealed in Binding Coil]". I think it was an urianger infodump or something. iirc (andI may be totally wrong here) the issue is that nael in the original Japanese was just straight up Actually a Woman The Whole Time, which they got away with by generally not using gendered pronouns in any relevant cutscenes or dialogue. English however defaulted to using he/him pronouns, because using they/them wasn’t as accepted in 2012 and koji + the localization team hadn’t been given any reason to think Nael wasn’t a dude, especially since their original model was rigged to a male elezen. When the face reveal happened, koji’s solution to this mismatch (since he is a huge nerd) was to invent the insane, metal gear-assed Watsonian backstory about eula darnus killing the poo poo out of her dad and hypnotizing herself to think she was her dead brother.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:When the face reveal happened, koji’s solution to this mismatch (since he is a huge nerd) was to invent the insane, metal gear-assed Watsonian backstory about eula darnus killing the poo poo out of her dad and hypnotizing herself to think she was her dead brother. His reign of terror has gone for almost a whole decade...
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Jul 25, 2021 08:06
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Thankfully after that they realized it was a good idea to get Koji more involved with the writing and avoid that kind of situation moving forward. Turns out letting your localization head in on what's actually going on is pretty handy! And now he's one of the co-leads of the world and lore development team proper so there's so much we can blame/thank him for.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I think it was an urianger infodump or something. iirc (andI may be totally wrong here) the issue is that nael in the original Japanese was just straight up Actually a Woman The Whole Time, which they got away with by generally not using gendered pronouns in any relevant cutscenes or dialogue. English however defaulted to using he/him pronouns, because using they/them wasn’t as accepted in 2012 and koji + the localization team hadn’t been given any reason to think Nael wasn’t a dude, especially since their original model was rigged to a male elezen. When the face reveal happened, koji’s solution to this mismatch (since he is a huge nerd) was to invent the insane, metal gear-assed Watsonian backstory about eula darnus killing the poo poo out of her dad and hypnotizing herself to think she was her dead brother. That is the wildest possible way to justify a woman using male pronouns I've ever heard. Was the classic 'presents as a man to get the respect that a woman in the same role is not given' approach not appropriate this time, for some reason?
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jokes posted:Thankfully it’s usually supposed to be like a couple days or whatever. SirSamVimes posted:It's not five years since the calamity, Tataru mentions in post Stormblood that it's been a year and a half since the banquet at the end of ARR so including ShB, it's been at least two years since the end of ARR.
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Cleretic posted:That is the wildest possible way to justify a woman using male pronouns I've ever heard. Was the classic 'presents as a man to get the respect that a woman in the same role is not given' approach not appropriate this time, for some reason? Well, yeah, because it would have made glass ceilings canonical, which the game has otherwise been quite good at avoiding.
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Jul 25, 2021 08:39
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Didn't the Japanese writing team think that the English justification was so rad that it got backported into the official canon?
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SirSamVimes posted:Didn't the Japanese writing team think that the English justification was so rad that it got backported into the official canon? i kinda assume someone on the writing team is a big vision of escaflowne fan, since that show also had an antagonist with a complex sex/gender situation piloting a red mech with liquid metal claws
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Jul 25, 2021 11:21
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jokes posted:Thankfully it’s usually supposed to be like a couple days or whatever.
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Jul 25, 2021 14:34
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https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1419322285974974471?s=19 So, either ominous or clever misdirection?
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Jul 25, 2021 19:42
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Yeah, he's giving up gunbreaker to become a machinist.
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Jul 25, 2021 19:48
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Rand Brittain posted:Yeah, he's giving up gunbreaker to become a machinist. One less job so hes going back to NIN
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Some translation bot my guild has on discord's take on it (until typing this I didn't realize I don't actually know who they are and how official-ish it is):quote:中村さん「6.0のボイス収録をしたが、あれ？俺の仕事(サンクレッド)なくなるのかなと思ったし、次のステップがあまり見えなかった」 So if I'm reading that right, Nakamura thinks the ending of this arc feels very final and was surprised to find out the game will keep going.
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Jul 25, 2021 20:56
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I'm glad to hear it to be honest. Like giving it a serious final conclusion that is satisfying even if they intend the game to keep going is something I wouldn't expect from an MMO.
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ImpAtom posted:I'm glad to hear it to be honest. Like giving it a serious final conclusion that is satisfying even if they intend the game to keep going is something I wouldn't expect from an MMO. yea tbh a story like this needs a final conclusion, there's ways to put a very definitive period at the end of a storyline and still leave things open to simply starting a fresh one, and I'm happy it sounds like Square is doing just that.
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Jul 25, 2021 21:44
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I mean if any of the Scions is dying before Endwalker is over I'd put all my money on Thancred.
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Macaluso posted:I mean if any of the Scions is dying before Endwalker is over I'd put all my money on Thancred. You’d lose that bet when Y’shtola “dies” again for 5 minutes. Let’s go full Daniel Jackson.
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