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Elephant Parade posted:Draw Back is great on ranged units, but Swap doesn't let you pull everyone out of an enemy attack range since the assisting unit will just take the place of the assisted one. It has its uses, but in general it's strictly inferior to the other two It's really not. It's just used in different situations and works with less room than repo.
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Andrast posted:It's really not. It's just used in different situations and works with less room than repo.  There are fewer situations where it's useful, so it's worse. That's my take
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Aug 9, 2018 17:30
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My Peri at +5 so I would love more to add to the merge.
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Aug 9, 2018 17:32
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Swap is rightfully considered the best option on armors and other enemy-phase units where you don't necessarily want to get out of enemy range, but do want to switch who's taking point for an optimal matchup For player-phase characters, you want to be able to slingshot as efficiently as possible and Repo is the best choice because it fills that function and the pulling-someone-to-safety function equally as well. Draw Back has its uses but I'd take Repo over it in most cases.
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Aug 9, 2018 17:35
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I actually even like Repo on ranged units sometimes, and Selena giving a hero TA2 and Repo is one of the best ways to make a mediocre into a solid role filler in AA. Draw Back is strong too but I definitely prefer Repo. Swap is ok but it basically only goes on Armors for me and sometimes on tanks if I'm out or nearly out of Repos. E: Of course I'm currently stuck on the garbage option, the double rally, for my arena team
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Aug 9, 2018 17:51
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Lord Koth posted:Of the rotating permanents that's basically just Fjorm occasionally, assuming the WTD enemy is a green mage. Alphonse had enough attack to make a go of it against low defense blues if he actually got the attack, but with him gaining Triangle Attack on his refine that's going out the window. I'm just gonna do the +atk refine for Alfonse. He still gets brazen atk/def but without built-in triangle adept, so he should be able to hold his own against some blues.
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Aug 9, 2018 17:53
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Honestly best is just a mix of Reposition and Swap/Draw Back depending on your makeup. My enemy phase units run Swap, the others run Reposition.
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Aug 9, 2018 17:53
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I run Draw Back on Fae and have never wished she had anything else.
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Aug 9, 2018 17:58
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I more often use Draw Back as a way to move _forward_ into range on my Enemy Phase units.
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Aug 9, 2018 18:00
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I use Pivot on my armors. I can see how Swap would be more useful in specific situations, but I enjoy the ability to prance across the battlefield when necessary. Also I think Reposition is significantly better than Draw Back in most situations, and find myself irrationally annoyed whenever I’m stuck with Draw Back instead (including on the units I built myself).
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Aug 9, 2018 18:01
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Clarste posted:I use Pivot on my armors. I can see how Swap would be more useful in specific situations, but I enjoy the ability to prance across the battlefield when necessary. I love Draw Back until I get myself in a situation where Reposition would be better and I love Reposition until a situation where Draw Back would be better
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Aug 9, 2018 18:24
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Pivot sucks rear end imo
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Aug 9, 2018 19:04
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they're good on armors who could use the extra movement boost (lol)
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Aug 9, 2018 19:09
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I am just too attached to my mental image of all these guys in heavy armor playing leapfrog.
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Aug 9, 2018 19:18
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The best thing is to whale for L!Lucina, because Future Vision can replicate the effects of Drag Back and Reposition while having other uses. It also means you don't have to choose between SP maximization or having a movement assist, since Future Vision is both.
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Aug 9, 2018 19:36
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Dance is also a better Assist skill than Reposition.
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Aug 9, 2018 19:47
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I like Pivot better if you're not in an armor team(or at least with armor march). Maybe not with Armored Boots either but I haven't used them much honestly.
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golden bubble posted:The best thing is to whale for L!Lucina, because Future Vision can replicate the effects of Drag Back and Reposition while having other uses. It also means you don't have to choose between SP maximization or having a movement assist, since Future Vision is both. shame it's uninheritable though
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Aug 9, 2018 20:07
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The problem with Pivot is that it uses up the turn of the thing you're slingshotting. Ideally the slingshotted unit should still get a turn afterward to do something, unless it's an enemy-phase unit, in which case Swap is better anyway. I briefly toyed around with Smite one time when I was out of Repositions to give my TT bonus units, and it is fine for one possible use of Reposition but not the other one. The use-case from its tactics drill where you're drop-kicking your allies across rivers and stuff is cool but extremely situational.
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I use Pivot in an armor team without armor march, and I think it’s better than swap unless you’re in very tight quarters (to be fair that describes a lot of GHBs).
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Aug 9, 2018 20:20
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:shame it's uninheritable though Nah, the game is way way better off if certain skills stay unique Reinhardt and Lyn with Future Visions would give me an eternal stroke
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loquacius posted:I briefly toyed around with Smite one time when I was out of Repositions to give my TT bonus units, and it is fine for one possible use of Reposition but not the other one. The use-case from its tactics drill where you're drop-kicking your allies across rivers and stuff is cool but extremely situational. There was someone on my friend's list who had a +10 SElise with what appeared to me a GC build and she had Smite and it was actually pretty useful there.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Nah, the game is way way better off if certain skills stay unique lol yeah that would be obnoxious as hell
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Andrast posted:Rein is also on my eventual merge list. He functions so well without merges that he is pretty low priority though. imagine how well he functions when he can kill/tank a lot of greens and runs around getting honed/warded and buffed  with special (draconic aura) charged (I havent decided whether this should be moonbow or not): 
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Elyv posted:There was someone on my friend's list who had a +10 SElise with what appeared to me a GC build and she had Smite and it was actually pretty useful there. That's a good call, put smite on all your GC units.
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big trivia FAIL posted:imagine how well he functions when he can kill/tank a lot of greens and runs around getting honed/warded and buffed Blazing Wind. Kill almost anything not named Fae without Vantage (hell, even many things with Vantage). ChronoReverse fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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Aug 9, 2018 22:45
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Moonbow/QP is still amazing and I'm happy with it on Rein
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Elyv posted:Moonbow/QP is still amazing and I'm happy with it on Rein I run the ATK+3 seal just to squeeze out as much as possible when the special isn't triggered
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Aug 9, 2018 23:11
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Someone met Micaiah's VA and got her to voice her best line from RD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL3P_uAtAW0
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i thought that name sounded familiar and lo and behold micaiah shares her VA with ash
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I'm having a lot of trouble picturing either the English or Japanese Micaiah VA being a leader. The voices just don't really seem to fit the character
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Gluten Freeman posted:Someone met Micaiah's VA and got her to voice her best line from RD  Micaiah is alright after all.
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I like the detail that even in her seasonal costume, Micaiah is wearing gloves that cover her Brand.
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Got a Hinata and a merge for Camilla great banners
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+ATK/-HP Zelgius and +ATK/-SPD Summer Micaiah with 45 orbs, thanks game. Very appropriate off-banner 5* unit, too. Edit: forgot that Micaiah's weapon gives her +ATK, she's +RES/-SPD. still really good IVs though Retcon fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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 about 30 orbs for these guys! I wanted Micaiah more, but Ryoma's effective against armours which is the more important part of Micaiah's tome, so that's cool. Kana is a very nice get because I got Zelgius a while ago and had been dithering over whether I should give Fierce Stance to Jeorge or keep him and give him Bold Fighter, since I have a spare Hardin. Now I can do both! edit:  There. Now Jeorge gets +12 attack when ranged enemies initiate. Metis of the Chat Thread fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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+Spd/-Res Ryoma Now the dilemma is whether I should water bless him to match his legendary counterpart when I already have four dancers in water. But I'm a sucker for themes so I'm probably gonna do it anyway
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I got nothing but a 4.25% pity rate and some good 4*s which is nice
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got +res / -atk micaiah which, yknow, that's about as good as you're gonna get on a dancer with res ploy
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cheetah7071 posted:I got nothing but a 4.25% pity rate 
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