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GreyjoyBastard posted:Call them and tell them the bill isn't evil enough. Especially Cruz. I've tried to get a sit down with Cruz by pretending to be a concerned, good ol boy small business owner who's livelihood is threatened by the constricting grasp of stifling EPA regulations but no dice so far
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Bicyclops posted:Neil Stephenson and his wacky character names! Lets hope this means McConnell's effort to pass Healthcare ends abruptly in a mess of loose ends.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What exactly is the Byrd Rule everyone is talking about? to make a long, boring story short: some types of laws you can't pass through reconciliation, and the byrd rule is the rule that says what you can and can't pass unless you have 60 votes
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Blitz7x posted:I've tried to get a sit down with Cruz by pretending to be a concerned, good ol boy small business owner who's livelihood is threatened by the constricting grasp of stifling EPA regulations but no dice so far Dress up like a black hole guy if you do get the meeting
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What exactly is the Byrd Rule everyone is talking about? Part of the reconciliation process- it's a requirement that the contents of the bill must be related to the budget. You can't just throw in whatever random law changes you want; if you do the bill can be filibustered. The Senate Parliamentarian is the authority on what does or does not violate the Byrd rule and so is effectively responsible for deciding whether the bill needs 50 votes (dangerously attainable) or 60 votes (absolutely unattainable) to pass.
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Jul 27, 2017 18:11
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it turns out cornyn's inability to keep his private thoughts to himself about the house just passing skinny repeal is causing problems: https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/890619603365249025
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The thing to keep in mind with the Byrd rule is it isn't self enforcing, a Senator has to raise it as a point at the proper time or it remains a majority threshold.evilweasel posted:it turns out cornyn's inability to keep his private thoughts to himself about the house just passing skinny repeal is causing problems: Gee if you can't trust your own leadership who can you trust?
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Casey Finnigan posted:Well I was wrong, kinda because I didn't expect the secretary of the interior to threaten a person that has real power over him. Hope Murkowski holds on this. I can't imagine there will be much pressure in the senate for her to relent. Trump and co really crossed a line with that threat and everyone in the senate knows that Trump could wake up tomorrow and decide to try the same sort of thing with their state. The whole situation is hilarious. It reminds me of those stories of people stealing a parking spot from a driver only to walk into their job interview and see that person on the other side of the desk.
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farraday posted:The thing to keep in mind with the Byrd rule is it isn't self enforcing, a Senator has to raise it as a point at the proper time or it remains a majority threshold. Which Bernie is doing on the dot.
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Lightning Lord posted:Shouldn't Zinke know about the hierarchy of the committees that oversee the department he runs? Republicans choose their leaders based on how competent they are But not the way you think they should
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haveblue posted:Part of the reconciliation process- it's a requirement that the contents of the bill must be related to the budget. You can't just throw in whatever random law changes you want; if you do the bill can be filibustered. The Senate Parliamentarian is the authority on what does or does not violate the Byrd rule and so is effectively responsible for deciding whether the bill needs 50 votes (dangerously attainable) or 60 votes (absolutely unattainable) to pass. Who is the Senate Parliamentarian an actual senator or some appointed guy?
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Lightning Lord posted:Shouldn't Zinke know about the hierarchy of the committees that oversee the department he runs?  Drain the Swamp!He was likely told to make the call and he isn't independent enough to disobey.
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Punkbob posted:Like seriously I was being a shithead with a pompous post, but Al’s argument is that he has friends at state(so do I) and that: I've forgiven her for killing Vilerat and you should too
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The Senate parliamentarian is an ent.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Cause tax write-off? because our stock is worth 1043 a share
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Who is the Senate Parliamentarian an actual senator or some appointed guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_MacDonough
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If you're worried about the Senate parliamentarian being partisan, just keep in mind that Ted Cruz desperately wanted to fire her.
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Bicyclops posted:If you're worried about the Senate parliamentarian being partisan, just keep in mind that Ted Cruz desperately wanted to fire her. and that she killed the repeal in 2015 quote:During the 2015 congressional effort to partially repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), MacDonough ruled the provision that would roll back the Independent Payment Advisory Board disqualified the 2015 package from consideration as a reconciliation bill in the Senate under the Byrd Rule, which requires that reconciliation bills must have a budgetary effect. Rather than the simple, filibuster-free 51-vote majority required to pass a reconciliation bill, the 2015 package would require a 60-vote threshold to pass in the Senate, which effectively killed the legislation in the Senate, as Republicans did not hold the requisite votes.
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Although, reading that wikipedia article, it appears that the official rulings are actually made by the President of the Senate, so unless I'm wrong, I think Pence can just say "gently caress your Byrd rule. Calvinball, assholes!" at the end of the day.
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Bottom Liner posted:and that she killed the repeal in 2015 she killed a part of the repeal then; they axed that section and then obama vetoed what they could pass
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https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/890626384824983553 Who wants to kick a football? Edit: https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/890628533776666624 Who wants to kick two footballs? farraday fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/890626384824983553 This is exactly his M.O. "Oh this bill is so awful!" and then votes yes anyway.
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Bicyclops posted:Although, reading that wikipedia article, it appears that the official rulings are actually made by the President of the Senate, so unless I'm wrong, I think Pence can just say "gently caress your Byrd rule. Calvinball, assholes!" at the end of the day. Yeah, the Parliamentarian's word is not law, she's just an advisor, but the Parliamentarian hasn't been overruled in decades. If they take that norm out behind the barn and shoot it, then yes they can do that, and then at least we can disregard the Parliamentarian again when she says the Eat the Rich Act of 2025 can't be passed without 60 votes.
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Yeah, the Parliamentarian hasn't been overruled since 1975, which is one year after the Byrd rule was created.
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/890628533776666624 when would she be doing that in the first place?
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oh: https://twitter.com/Alexruoff/status/890628695915773952 come on parliamentarian, it's time to end this
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evilweasel posted:when would she be doing that in the first place? https://twitter.com/Alexruoff/status/890628695915773952 Now ish? It'll be a wonky debate and he could just come out of it with his own skinny Graham Cassidy. Them and most Americans.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/cam_joseph/status/890628402616651776 I dunno, they could consider voting against it. But maybe that's too radical for The Maverick.
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The day McCain actually follows up on what he says is the day we know his brain finally farts itself to death.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsuu4L5T1QY https://thinkprogress.org/scaramucci-cnn-meltdown-39c64badff56 quote:Anthony Scaramucci, Trump’s new communications director, just called into CNN and had a meltdown
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https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/890628311260446720 Jesus.
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If they can't pass skinny repeal without Paul Ryan slicing his forearm and swearing a blood oath to not bring it to the house floor without a conference committee, then the Senate can't actually pass anything without deluding themselves into believing the bill will be magically made better when its off the Senate floor.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:What exactly is Graham-Cassidy and is it likely to be reconciliation-compliant? Keeps Obamacare taxes but turns them into block grants for the states to use as they wish.
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I'm guessing this will give them more financial breathing room for the bill via a reduction in the number of employers deducting their contribution costs. Is that likely a reason for doing it?
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:What exactly is Graham-Cassidy and is it likely to be reconciliation-compliant? Keeps Obamacare's extra taxes. It might be, but probably not.
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