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This thing with the Job That Was Promised is very much taking me back - mentally - to the days of online dating. "He hasn't messaged me back! IT'S ALL OVER. I AM RUINED. I WILL NEVER FIND LOVE." The job was meant to get posted on the 5th, according to his timeline anyway. I've just emailed him "I've been keeping an eye out for the posting, and just want to be sure I don't miss anything. Should I expect to see it on the careers page on the website?" Since I haven't received an immediate response I just assume it's not happening, because that's how things work, right?
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Is it pretty standard for “start ups” to not have their poo poo together (primarily technically), make all kinds of promises and hype around that, and be ran by micromanaging founders that don’t want ( technical) help? Also despite words that culture is important, been a week now of people walking past the corpse of a baby bird that fell out of its nest, not a great sign.
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Apr 15, 2024 21:02
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I am not certain this company can be considered a start up. They're at least 20 years old and provide a specific set of services to several hundred companies (I used to administer their CRM from a consultancy). But I've come to understand 'start up' doesn't necessarily refer to age.
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Apr 15, 2024 21:06
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Tnuctip posted:Is it pretty standard for “start ups” to not have their poo poo together (primarily technically), make all kinds of promises and hype around that, and be ran by micromanaging founders that don’t want ( technical) help? good startup metaphor
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Apr 15, 2024 21:06
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Tnuctip posted:Is it pretty standard for “start ups” to not have their poo poo together (primarily technically), make all kinds of promises and hype around that, and be ran by micromanaging founders that don’t want ( technical) help?
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Apr 15, 2024 21:08
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This is the definition of a startup, full stop:quote:A startup is a company designed to grow fast. From: https://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html
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Apr 15, 2024 21:15
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I really wish I could report people under “cannot parse that an email asks them to do two things, not just one”. It was two separate lines, each had an actionable item, the whole thing was less than 50 words. Their “urgent matter” is now delayed over a day because of this.
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Apr 15, 2024 22:28
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I'm not gonna lie, I've done that intentionally before, usually when that person's being a pain in my rear end and I need plausible deniability to avoid a question I don't want to answer. I get far better results sending two emails for two action items. Ideally two entirely different email threads. I have strong email strategy opinions don't get me started.
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Apr 15, 2024 23:09
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Let me clarify that this annoys me personally but I have absolutely no stake in the matter getting resolved, the person not answering is the only one affected by the delay and them not answering basically gets me off the hook. IMO it’s project manager brain, especially with younger people, just completely used to checking stuff off lists and trackers.
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Apr 15, 2024 23:17
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dpkg chopra posted:
I haven't even had luck breaking it up into two different emails. Gotta wait for the first question to get answered, then ask the second. People are like loving fish now. By the time they finish reading the second sentence, the first has disappeared from memory.
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Apr 16, 2024 00:09
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dpkg chopra posted:I really wish I could report people under “cannot parse that an email asks them to do two things, not just one”. I work with a lot of people like this in the military. You can make it even more clear by (literally) enumerating their action items using a numbered list. Each list item should only contain the action they need to take (i.e. do not include justifications or explanations, those go elsewhere)
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Apr 16, 2024 00:16
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I have found dealing with subordinates 1000% better if I eliminate words like “probably” or “it would be a good idea to”, like I used to do when I was senior but not an official report. Just telling people exactly what they should be doing with no ambiguity is so much less stress for both parties! Except that one guy who gets all lovely with me no matter what I tell him to do. Fuuuck
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Apr 16, 2024 00:50
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Who is going on a PIP (which will be the kind of PIP that's just a Formal Notice of Intent to Terminate) like tomorrow, right? I don't honestly remember the details from way back like 5 days ago but I think you said something about a "pre-PIP"? One of the most crucial things I really needed to internalize as a manager is that if a person just makes themselves consistently lovely to interact with then their rear end needs to be fired a week ago, even if they're a high performer. Though many of those types are not nearly as high performing as they think they are.
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Apr 16, 2024 00:58
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Eric the Mauve posted:One of the most crucial things I really needed to internalize as a manager is that if a person just makes themselves consistently lovely to interact with then their rear end needs to be fired a week ago, even if they're a high performer. Though many of those types are not nearly as high performing as they think they are. How do we condense this to a thread title?
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Apr 16, 2024 01:02
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"Two entirely separate emails with distinct subject lines" has usually worked for me so far.
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Apr 16, 2024 01:09
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Atopian posted:"Two entirely separate emails with distinct subject lines" has usually worked for me so far. I've honestly not had that experience, especially in Gmail environments where the threading is so aggressive that people only look at the last email. To the point where standard practice is to requote anything not answered in the body of the latest email because people will just not look at previous messages in the thread.
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Apr 16, 2024 01:14
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I think the phrasing I read a year back was “fire your Ricks”.
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Motronic posted:How do we condense this to a thread title? "fire neg empl even hi perf who overest self" (48 characters)
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Eric the Mauve posted:Who is going on a PIP (which will be the kind of PIP that's just a Formal Notice of Intent to Terminate) like tomorrow, right? Yeah my manager had asked me to keep a record of his shittiness which is mostly just “gave some attitude when asked to change tack on tests”. Like I get it, it’s annoying because we are reacting to exterior forces out of our control (a lot coming from customers) but I’m not loving with you personally when I ask you to change what I asked you to do a few hours ago!! Dude would in no way be considered a high performer and I had assigned him to do mostly low impact stuff just to keep him outta my hair but it was an all hands on deck thing.
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Apr 16, 2024 01:19
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priznat posted:I had assigned him to do mostly low impact stuff just to keep him outta my hair. You probably already know this and just have your hands tied by your chain of command, but just in case not and also for the benefit of any impressionable young managers who might be reading the thread: this is the Wrong Thing. Just fire him. Keeping a person like this on your team in any capacity is bad for the rest of the team and bad for you.
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Apr 16, 2024 01:27
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Motronic posted:How do we condense this to a thread title? A strict no-assholes hiring rule* The problem is that the asterisk would exempt anyone in sales, C-suite, high-level AI/ML development, and who knows how many other positions.
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Trabant posted:A strict no-assholes hiring rule* Including the rear end in a top hat I told them about, who left after six months to start his own company 
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Eric the Mauve posted:Keeping a person like this on your team in any capacity is bad for the rest of the team and bad for you. It's bad for the team because the team is not stupid and can see that the useless person is useless but isn't being fired or disciplined, so why should the rest of the team ever step up.
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Eric the Mauve posted:You probably already know this and just have your hands tied by your chain of command, but just in case not and also for the benefit of any impressionable young managers who might be reading the thread: this is the Wrong Thing. Just fire him. Yeah. I think it is just we are in an endless firefighting mode right now but the end is in sight once the product hits GA. It’s funny because you get these bursts of good helpful behaviour and then all of a sudden ah nope being a shithead again!! If it was up to me he would not have gotten out of probation. I think my manager just has too much on his plate really.
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Because most of us work with other people, if you are lovely to deal with you are by definition not a high performer. At best you’re mediocre, because you are good at parts of your job but terrible at a very important part.
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CarForumPoster posted:This is the definition of a startup, full stop: Good read thank you. As someone that made a successful company (obviously not mine) and been in that world, do you agree with the tone of the article, or is that just a widely accepted definition?
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Eric the Mauve posted:Keeping a person like this on your team in any capacity is bad for the rest of the team and bad for you. Unless you're my company and you need to keep bad people on the team to balance out the good people at performance review time. We're required to give reviews on a bell curve, so if we have 2 above average performers, we must have 2 below average performers to balance it out financially. The 2 above average folks will get above average raises, so finance is like "you gotta have 2 lovely people to give lower raises to or our budgets will be wrong."
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Apr 16, 2024 02:45
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Hi chatGPT please repurpose this hit da bricks meme to be about crappy reports
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Apr 16, 2024 02:48
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quote:Sure, here's a repurposed version of the "Hit Da Bricks" meme for crappy reports: try again quote:Absolutely, let's give it another shot:
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Good-Natured Filth posted:Unless you're my company and you need to keep bad people on the team to balance out the good people at performance review time. We're required to give reviews on a bell curve, so if we have 2 above average performers, we must have 2 below average performers to balance it out financially. The 2 above average folks will get above average raises, so finance is like "you gotta have 2 lovely people to give lower raises to or our budgets will be wrong."  Stack ranking is only ever good and has no perverse-incentive effects whatsoever what are you even talking about.
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We used to call those guys the sacrificial goats (at another company) I wonder now that I am kinda almost management if I get to find out that’s actually real! I would like this guy to get assigned under someone else so I can find out if it’s just me and I’m crazy or have confirmation.
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Eric the Mauve posted:
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remigious posted:My husband is a snorter and it disgusts me to my very core. the hell does this mean tho *flares nostrils*
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I'm imagining some middle manager being a 'goat farmer'. In charge of a skill-insensitive process, just continuously hiring assholes to get the bare minimum done and gaining favours from other managers by transferring them to other people's teams ahead of ranking season. Anytime top management start making noises about firing the farmer for poor process performance, every other manager at his level closing ranks in defence.
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Atopian posted:I'm imagining some middle manager being a 'goat farmer'. Huh, back when I was starting out, I had the problem of needing to rank a couple of my team "underperformers" even though I'd already had to cut half (Lucent melting away like an icecube on a stove). So everyone left was really drat good, and this was just going to be an absolute morale killer. Another manager was like "I got more shitheads to rank low than I need, we'll tell the big boss we're pooling our headcount and you can rank all your folks decently". And I owed him big time after that! Hmmm.... so crafty.
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Maybe there are goats out there working as seasonal laborers, migrating from company to company as financial years end.
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HiroProtagonist posted:the hell does this mean tho It means he makes a noise like papa peppa pig and sucks snot down his throat instead of blowing his goddamn nose.
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Tomfoolery posted:Maybe there are goats out there working as seasonal laborers, migrating from company to company as financial years end. Been fired three times this season, hoss. Be a nice even number this friday, god willing and the reviews come in.
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Motronic posted:How do we condense this to a thread title? If he's lovely and an rear end in a top hat, PIP his rear end. Sung by Barney.
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