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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:people are bad and offices destroy productivity 
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Jul 31, 2017 04:19
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JewKiller 3000 posted:i can't remember where i'm stealing this from but the quote goes something like: "you show me a ceo with no office, and i'll show you a conference room nobody can book" this includes every customer facing computer toucher will though I couldn't imagine having to book a conference room for every call I have in a day
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Jul 31, 2017 04:24
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hobbesmaster posted:this includes every customer facing computer toucher will though is your call confidential? open sales floors for customer phone touchers are pretty common too
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Jul 31, 2017 04:26
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not as tight as that Apple HQ setup though
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Jul 31, 2017 05:04
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hobbesmaster posted:this includes every customer facing computer toucher will though *hr person drops a cheap headset on your desk, checks your name off a list*
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Jul 31, 2017 05:15
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FrozenVent posted:*hr person drops a cheap headset on your desk, checks your name off a list* if an employer did that to me in an open office, I'd submit an expense report for some AKGs.
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Jul 31, 2017 11:27
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if your open office or cube farm doesn't at least have a few one-person "phone booth" type rooms where you can go for a personal or confidential call then you are in a poorly thought out workplace.
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Jul 31, 2017 14:38
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mishaq posted:youre ex-uunet? thats awesome see if any worked at willow oaks, we moved out to ashburn campus (jail) right after the buyout, which was the worldcom campus, then became mci, now verizon and I hear it's mostly abandoned uunet still lives on in alter.net, the isp rebranding arm... I still see it in traceroutes every once in a while Bhodi fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 16:32
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C.H.O.M.E posted:if your open office or cube farm doesn't at least have a few one-person "phone booth" type rooms where you can go for a personal or confidential call then you are in a poorly thought out workplace. my favorite 'private call room' was when the planners put one in a part of a building that had no cell service, no office phone, and mediocre wifi
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Jul 31, 2017 16:56
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JewKiller 3000 posted:i can't remember where i'm stealing this from but the quote goes something like: "you show me a ceo with no office, and i'll show you a conference room nobody can book" isn't this basically zuck/sandberg/etc? i mean executives tend to be totally cool with signing up for an open floorplan workspace alongside their employees for "solidarity" because they'll never be there anyway i have 4 offices  all but one are shared officesone of my coworkers managed to get up to 4 offices at one point, but I think one of them was shared, and he gave that one up
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Jul 31, 2017 19:03
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lancemantis posted:isn't this basically zuck/sandberg/etc? Zuck also has a conspicuous stack of important-sounding books on his desk that he's supposedly currently reading, and yet the stack never seems to change.
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Jul 31, 2017 19:25
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minato posted:Yeah, zuck and sandberg both have regular desks in amongst regular developers, and they never ever use them because they spend 100% of the time in their own glass-walled meeting rooms. https://bookauthority.org 
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Jul 31, 2017 21:30
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industry leaders such as the ex-CEO of Yahoo!, company formerly known as relevant
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Jul 31, 2017 22:06
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i mean I guess you might need this now if you refuse to go to a bookstore or if amazon can't list you the current hot biz-bro books it's all that any of these people will have pretended to read and recommend if they haven't ghost-written them themselves
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Jul 31, 2017 22:09
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C.H.O.M.E posted:if your open office or cube farm doesn't at least have a few one-person "phone booth" type rooms where you can go for a personal or confidential call then you are in a poorly thought out workplace. *for use of team leads and above only
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Jul 31, 2017 23:23
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minato posted:Zuck also has a conspicuous stack of important-sounding books on his desk that he's supposedly currently reading, and yet the stack never seems to change. i think we had documentary evidence of bill gates reading a fuckton of books during his 2-week pseudovacations every year billy gates could also code worth a drat, unlike the zuck one of many ways in which zuck doesn't stand up to the dollar dollar king
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Jul 31, 2017 23:38
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open plan can work but it needs things likeC.H.O.M.E posted:if your open office or cube farm doesn't at least have a few one-person "phone booth" type rooms where you can go for a personal or confidential call then you are in a poorly thought out workplace. and actual architects that understand acoustics. also partitioning off people that spend all day on the phone. if you do open plan because "wow the savings of not having offices!" then you've hosed it.
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Aug 1, 2017 00:45
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"wow the savings" is the only reason to do open plan, every piece of research indicates that all the talk about "increased collaboration and teamwork" is bullshit
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Aug 1, 2017 00:47
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If a work place offered a Bring Your Own Walls policy I would take advantage of it. I'll bring my own you cheap fuckers just give me some privacy
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Aug 1, 2017 00:49
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this new open plan office will revolutionize our siloed business! *seats developers 1/4 mile away from the product team*
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Aug 1, 2017 00:51
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god willing
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Aug 1, 2017 00:52
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qirex posted:this new open plan office will revolutionize our siloed business! *seats developers 1/4 mile away from the product team* "we need open plan for collaboration!" *grows quickly and needs to open second location collaboration is something that you encourage by the way you do work, not some weird system of sitting people close together and hoping they overhear somebody about to gently caress up
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Aug 1, 2017 01:05
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my last bigco did a giant study and found that the average project was split across 6 sites, one team was breathless with how productive they were when folks working on the same code were moved to one aisle instead of being split by timezones they also had planes to shuttle folks around, like i could get from my sacramento office to portland with just my employee badge
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Aug 1, 2017 02:06
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JawnV6 posted:my last bigco did a giant study and found that the average project was split across 6 sites, one team was breathless with how productive they were when folks working on the same code were moved to one aisle instead of being split by timezones did you work here when they tried to take away everyone's desk and make it so you could "use any cubicle on a first come first serve basis" by standardizing monitors and USB port replicators? everyone complained so much they switched back to assigned cubes after six months. it was like having a cubicle but any effort you put into keeping it clean was wasted when someone stole it, and you had to set up your chair again every morning. I literally just stopped showing up in the office for months because no one knew where anyone was sitting.
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Aug 1, 2017 02:27
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C.H.O.M.E posted:did you work here when they tried to take away everyone's desk and make it so you could "use any cubicle on a first come first serve basis" by standardizing monitors and USB port replicators? theyre doing it a bit better at my office 80% of the cubes are assigned to employees that come in every day and they've got a few hoteling ones on each floor you can reserve ahead of time online and theyve got one of those stupid soundproof rooms you can take calls in for the hoteling cubes because theyre so small
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Aug 1, 2017 02:29
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mishaq posted:theyre doing it a bit better at my office yeah that's the way it is here now too but they make the interns sit in the small hotel cubes
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Aug 1, 2017 02:35
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C.H.O.M.E posted:did you work here when they tried to take away everyone's desk and make it so you could "use any cubicle on a first come first serve basis" by standardizing monitors and USB port replicators? really don't think hotdesking would've flown w/ FDC, even outside of orange-bar lockdowns for yellow/red cover docs. i had 3 boxes left over from moving cubes to the swanky 3x2 one down on the 3rd floor for a year, even hauling those around would've been a pain.
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Aug 1, 2017 02:40
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JawnV6 posted:my last bigco did a giant study and found that the average project was split across 6 sites, one team was breathless with how productive they were when folks working on the same code were moved to one aisle instead of being split by timezones pro: free low friction way out of sacramento con: to portland lol
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Aug 1, 2017 02:54
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PCjr sidecar posted:pro: free low friction way out of sacramento con: 2 hour layover in santa clara because i booked late
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Aug 1, 2017 03:01
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qirex posted:"wow the savings" is the only reason to do open plan, every piece of research indicates that all the talk about "increased collaboration and teamwork" is bullshit and if you combine the lowered productivity the $10 you saved on walls doesn't do a whole lot 
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Aug 1, 2017 03:26
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my new boss works 7 hour days, like, including lunch, 11->6 my old boss worked 12 hour days, including weekends i'm v confused 
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Aug 1, 2017 03:27
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:my new boss works 7 hour days, like, including lunch, 11->6 calling it, new boss is more productive and in better health
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Aug 1, 2017 04:04
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JawnV6 posted:nah, left long before that. my chair broke and i left the company instead of getting someone to fix it. yeah, they had an elaborate system for renting out a system of locking drawers along the edges of the cube jungle for sensitive documents and everyone hated that too. i think they did an inventory and found that, on average, only about half of the cubes were occupied at any one time during the day, and started converting everything to the hotdesking system because, you know, no one could be away from their cube in a meeting or something. they got through about 3 larger (more than 1000 people) sites before they backed down. also the employee plane shuttle is no more
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Aug 1, 2017 06:04
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:my new boss works 7 hour days, like, including lunch, 11->6 grats you got a good boss now my current boss that I sit uncomfortably close to in our open floor plan works like 12 hour days and it's annoying I feel silently judged for working normal person hours but also don't care it's just dumb like just go home!!! get a hobby!
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Aug 1, 2017 07:53
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My old boss was a workaholic rear end in a top hat like that. Unless it's important I'm not staying one minute later than required.
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Aug 1, 2017 10:24
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Hmm I wonder why my coworker is still in the office after twelve hours *looks over and sees YouTube open on his monitor*
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Aug 1, 2017 10:26
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lots going bad at newjob but on the flip side we moved office and for the first time in my working career i don't sit near an open mouth eater 
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Aug 1, 2017 11:04
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people eating at their desk is bad even when they can keep their mouth shut
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Aug 1, 2017 11:09
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qhat posted:Hmm I wonder why my coworker is still in the office after twelve hours *looks over and sees YouTube open on his monitor* The best is having to stay late to get something done, and when you have to ask the golden employee who stays late every day something they quickly close what looks like an anime tv show and have that look like they just got caught masturbating. Well, more reason bosses shouldn't grade on attendance but there they are getting bonuses for staying late every quarter.
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Aug 1, 2017 11:50
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Bloody posted:grats you got a good boss now holy poo poo this is me, my boss works at least 70 hours every week including weekends and a lot of other people around here boast about working 9-10 hour days and I'm like "what the gently caress go home assholes" my last boss was a flakey no show most of the time, but this is almost worse in a lot of respects
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