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Cromlech posted:You don't need to know how to speak Japanese and copy paste it to know why the West likes the game. It's fun and the town life seems authentic and a fresh breath of air.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Both sides don't understand at all about each other, only crazy stereotypes and stuff. Especially on their side regarding us. Well that explains every game made by a Japanese studio trying to be Western in the last 5 years
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Nov 20, 2012 09:27
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Well that explains every game made by a Japanese studio trying to be Western in the last 5 years
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Nov 20, 2012 09:32
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yep, and the geha (2ch's game industry board) crowd over there know and hate the poo poo out of that, they call it "world sickness". On that point they and I agree. Games like the Megaten series that take advantage of Japan's unique charms are going to do way better everywhere than a poor attempt at copying Western games that their local audience doesn't like anyway. Dragon's Dogma felt like Japanese take on Elder Scrolls games and it was awesome. 
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Nov 20, 2012 09:44
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Bernardo Orel posted:Dragon's Dogma felt like Japanese take on Elder Scrolls games and it was awesome.
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Nov 20, 2012 09:48
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I think its popularity here has as much to do with gameplay as any kind of culture stuff. JRPGs are a waning genre that still has a huge fanbase here thanks to Final Fantasy and the SNES and PSX, but a lot of the ones that come out (or at least make it here) these days are either extremely generic and boring Japanese fantasy or sci-fi anime stuff or badly-conceived experimental poo poo like a lot of Square's games for the past generation and a half or so. Persona 3 and 4 are neither of those things, and are instead elegantly-constructed and extremely polished entries into the genre with pretty unique art direction and music. I think in large part they were popular here because they're good games. I still agree with your fundamental point, though. Japanese games are at their best when they're giving us stuff we can't get here, and since JRPGs and 2D fighters are the games I've spent the most time with over the years I hope they continue being made for the foreseeable future.
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Nov 20, 2012 10:10
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Pureauthor posted:Marie asks what 'bifuteki' means, and you can explain that it's short for 'bifusuteki' (AKA beefsteak). She then says that's dumb because it obscures the fact that it's a steak, and suggests that 'fusuteki' would be a better choice. I can't think of what the translators could've used as a shortening of 'beef steak', i.e., the English equivalent of "bifuteki".
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Nov 20, 2012 10:22
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Rinkles posted:I can't think of what the translators could've used as a shortening of 'beef steak', i.e., the English equivalent of "bifuteki". It's called "bifteck" in french and "bistec" in spanish, I guess they could have gone that way, talking about how it's called in other languages.
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Nov 20, 2012 10:34
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Petiso posted:It's called "bifteck" in french and "bistec" in spanish, I guess they could have gone that way, talking about how it's called in other languages. But how would you end up with Fsteak?
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Nov 20, 2012 10:35
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I believe it was actually borrowed from French and then re-analyzed in English into "beefsteak". Or to put it another way, English speakers took a wild guess about its internal structure and mapped it onto existing English words. It happens all the time. For example, I just today learned that "checkmate" comes from the Persian "shah mat" which means nothing of the sort. edit: the best part was Naoto (I think?) wondering why beefsteak is the local delicacy when there are no cows around. It's just like in that one scene in Demolition Man. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Nov 20, 2012 |
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Nov 20, 2012 10:35
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Samurai Sanders posted:edit: the best part was Naoto (I think?) wondering why beefsteak is the local delicacy when there are no cows around. It's just like in that one scene in Demolition Man. Didn't "Kind Man" have a similar creepy realization?
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Nov 20, 2012 13:13
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Samurai Sanders posted:Well, I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say, but my outings onto Japanese messageboards are mostly for two reasons, to practice Japanese in a hostile environment (in a friendly environment people will nod their head and smile even if they don't understand me), and do even a little bit to bridge the gap between Japanese players and Western (principally English sphere) players, because it is just huge. Both sides don't understand at all about each other, only crazy stereotypes and stuff. Especially on their side regarding us. This is a really interesting topic, it seems weird to me that there would be such misunderstandings. Games that are good will sell well anywhere, if you are doing nothing but trying to pander to the target audience you will just end up making crap.
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Nov 20, 2012 13:37
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You should honestly say, that one of the reasons Deadly Premonition succeeded over here as a demonstration of "Inspired by Western Game Design Philosophy, but still uniquely Japanese game exprinece" into what Western gamers want. It built up a unique world and setting, with a lot of charm, so Western gamers were extremely forgiving of it's many faults. It's been a while since I've been on 2chan, are there any Western games they like over there now, sorta of like a Persona 4 cult hit? Because the censuses used to be "All American games are poo poo"
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Nov 20, 2012 14:00
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Samurai Sanders posted:Both sides don't understand at all about each other, only crazy stereotypes and stuff. Especially on their side regarding us. Sorry if that sound a bit confrontational, but there's plenty of that on our side as well, as one can see with a casual stroll in those very boards. From the point of view of a foreigner to both american and japanese cultures, it's kinda funny, because I feel the same kind of displacement when interacting with both cultures, though not at the same point, and a tad more often with japanese things.
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The_Frag_Man posted:This is a really interesting topic, it seems weird to me that there would be such misunderstandings. Games that are good will sell well anywhere, if you are doing nothing but trying to pander to the target audience you will just end up making crap. This is pretty silly and not just from a Japanese vs Western perspective. Different cultures don't necessarily enjoy the same things. Even different people from the same country enjoy different things. Not trying to figure out your target audience is silly because there are different gameplay philosophies which are equally valid but mutually distinctive. Gameplay isn't something that can be "good" or "bad" with no in-between. Design decisions that work for one person can be utterly ruinous for another. Understanding who is going to buy your game, and why, and understanding that may render it unsellable to other people is part of designing a game. This game even include basic visual design decisions, which are hard enough to get right without going cross-cultural. Not to mention the implication that any game that is good sells well is disprovable even just within the country of origin. How many cult hits are there which sold like utter crap despite rave reviews and plenty of stock? ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Nov 20, 2012 |
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Nov 20, 2012 14:28
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Strange Quark posted:You might change your mind in Golden since she gets something that's basically a full party Heat Riser. Wait. What. Holy poo poo holy poo poo How does this happen? As for party members I likes everyone and kept on rotating my lineup.
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Nov 20, 2012 16:16
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Samurai Sanders posted:...For me, there are only two games I have ever played that really made me feel like I was in Japan, Shenmue and P4. P3 and the Yakuza series don't really do it for me because a big city's a big city, there's not much about that setting that really screams Japan in particular. You nailed exactly why I love P4 so much. Honestly, I barely remember the gameplay from my first playthrough, but I still remember almost every line of dialog and the sense of nostalgia I had for small town Japanese life. What boards do you usually visit? 2ch?
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Nov 20, 2012 16:24
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Really digging P4G right now. Totally justified getting a Vita for me, since I never played P4 before.
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Nov 20, 2012 17:00
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It turns out the P4G wallpapers have been online for ages. They're just Jpegs. http://p-atlus.jp/p4g/v/ir5xpJYzDd08/
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Nov 20, 2012 17:37
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Bah I have thanksgiving off but can't play P4G because Gamestop doesn't believe in release date shipping. Amazon has me spoiled.
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Nov 20, 2012 17:44
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S Danger K posted:Really digging P4G right now. Totally justified getting a Vita for me, since I never played P4 before. So jealous of all of you. Just can't justify a Vita with a launch 3DS sitting in a box with about ten hours of use on it. Hopefully a couple years from now we'll get a PS2 Classic release of vanilla P4 like with P3P/the eventual FES release.
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Nov 20, 2012 17:45
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I love P4 for a bunch of different reasons, and the small town, slice of life setting is one of them. An interest in down to earth, Japanese culture combined with my own experiences living in a town with a dying shopping district due to the freshly built Walmart brings a sense of familiarity to the unfamiliar. Also, the art direction and music are fantastic, turn based RPGs are one of the few kinds of games I can play, the characters are awesome, social linking is mega cool, and the battle system is pretty fantastic.
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Nov 20, 2012 17:49
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Man, I can't believe I haven't played this game before. It's been like 4 years since it came out, but this is so much better than P3!
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Nov 20, 2012 17:50
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Why am I so excited to play this game again? Oh yeah. loving -everything- about it is perfect.
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Nov 20, 2012 17:51
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Around what time does the PSN update? I need my fix.
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Nov 20, 2012 17:52
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Oh, last night I asked if anyone knew the popularity breakdown of the characters in Japan, someone finally listed some poll results from immediately after the PS2 version was released (dunno where from). Naoto 12000 votes Yukiko/Rise 11000 votes main character 8000 votes Chie 4000 votes Yosuke 1500 votes Adachi 1000 votes other less than 1000 votes Wow, leaving aside Kanji, Nanako didn't place either? Weird. gameday posted:What boards do you usually visit? 2ch? Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Nov 20, 2012 |
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Nov 20, 2012 18:04
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Is it just me, or is Chie's new voice actor Quark from Virtue's Last Reward? There are some lines which I swear sound just like him.
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Nov 20, 2012 18:44
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It is. She was also Erica from Catherine.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Oh, last night I asked if anyone knew the popularity breakdown of the characters in Japan, someone finally listed some poll results from immediately after the PS2 version was released (dunno where from). why No, seriously. I'm having a hard time understanding why these three are so much more popular than everyone else outside of "a hell of a lot of creepy Japanese nerds played this game", and I'm really hoping that there's a different answer to that question that I'm not seeing. VVVV 
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Nov 20, 2012 18:56
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It's exactly that.
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Silly Voodoo posted:why edit: speaking of Rise, I didn't like her at all for the sole reason that when she was introduced it sounded like she was trying really hard to abandon her idol life and I thought wow, that sounds really interesting. But what does she do for the whole game? Be an idol. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 20, 2012 |
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Nov 20, 2012 19:00
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Well that explains every game made by a Japanese studio trying to be Western in the last 5 years Binary loving Domain .Also yes of course there's a lot of creepy loving nerds playing it that's why Adachi was ranked highly.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:It's exactly that. The poll would be somewhat bias though, as the bigger nerds are probably more likely to send in answers. Also screw the haters, Naoto's alright.
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If I were to take a guess... Naoto - Fills very much the same role Aigis did in P3 being the X Factor of the group and stand out character in terms of what they're supposed to be. However, where as Aigis was a robot girl, Naoto is a girl that dresses like a dude... I don't know if her being a detective factors into that, but hell I doubt it. She's also really loving shy and her character arc is about her femininity and she dresses up for you on Christmas, so yeah. Yukiko - Traditional boring wallflower girl that ends up being the main heroine of these games. Rise - She's a idol and voice by Rie Kugimiya, go figure. At least Adachi's up there, he's the only loving good thing about that list. Cake Attack posted:The poll would be somewhat bias though, as the bigger nerds are probably more likely to send in answers. Also screw the haters, Naoto's alright. Maybe it's due to the fact I used to like Naoto a lot, but I don't feel nearly the same level of vitriol as others do. Maybe it's also because after dealing with Rise being annoying as hell and Yukiko being boring as poo poo, I was craving a second female character in the group who didn't annoy the piss out of me. Chie's still the best though.
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I think the only Persona characters I actually dislike are Yukari in The Answer, Ken, and Fuuka. Everyone else is just fine, to varying degrees.
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I liked Yukari in the answer. Yeah she was extremely hostile but it was completely warranted, and she got over it by the end. There is no excuse for Ken though (I'm surprised they didn't pull a FF13-2 thing like with Hope and put super cool Ken in the fighting game).
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Nov 20, 2012 19:22
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Poor Brosuke  I still like ya, buddy.
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Got me some P4G, motherfuckers.  I can understand why people don't like Chie's new VA. She can be a little inexperienced. I like her, though. I barely remember Naoto outside of the usual fanart, I'll pay more attention to her this time and see what all the fuss is about.
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Nov 20, 2012 20:04
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Just got my copy of P4G and this skin even though I pre-ordered the game like two days ago. I cannot wait to abuse my scene skip function.
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I haven't played this game in almost half a decade so I'm not skipping anything. I forgot a hell of a lot of this.  edit i did review the basic story by watching the hiimdaisy dub tho
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