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Strikes suspended, they're going to keep going with negotiations. https://twitter.com/TheBMA/status/671407627721695232
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Nov 30, 2015 20:20
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Pissflaps posted:Isn't that a good thing ? Well if the strikes don't happen over Christmas then there's no chance of the doctors being blamed for the terrible winter performance and if the government backs down on pretty much all of its points then yeah.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:25
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I booked the day off work to go support the picket line in Oxford. Now I don't really have an excuse not to go in.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:28
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namesake posted:Well if the strikes don't happen over Christmas then there's no chance of the doctors being blamed for the terrible winter performance and if the government backs down on pretty much all of its points then yeah. Yeah, if this actually leads to a real negotiation on the part of Hunt, it's brilliant. But it won't, and in backing down they lose momentum and support for when they DO end up striking. I'm still expecting the strikes to go ahead next week. I mean, seriously I'm really not remotely optimistic that this is anything other than a calculated move to gently caress with the BMA's momentum. On another note, a key thing to be aware of from the Labour webinar is yourbritain.org.uk which is a policymaking engine for Labour, and of which I was TOTALLY oblivious until this evening. Still not clear how it works, but I at least now know it loving exists. E: just spoke to my sister the junior doctor and she basically concurs that this is a big misstep by the BMA, and a sadly excellent play by Hunt. He gets to be hailed as the conciliator whilst not actually conciliating at all (the threat of imposition of the contract has only been deferred) whilst the BMA will be faced in a month with the prospect of striking right in the middle of the biggest crisis winter the NHS has yet faced, and at a point where the risk to patient care will be a lot higher, and members therefore a lot less likely to strike. Personally, I don't think deferring the threat of contract imposition is anywhere NEAR enough to call off the strike, and I think members would be entirely justified in wildcat strike action at this stage, but it would be a difficult sell to doctors I think. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Nov 30, 2015 20:30
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Filboid Studge posted:What was the source of this? Brilliant stuff. An unsigned letter, so no idea. The envelope has a S.W. London postmark but some of the other passages make me think the author was Irish.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:44
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Oberleutnant posted:An unsigned letter, so no idea. The envelope has a S.W. London postmark but some of the other passages make me think the author was Irish. Green ink? Guinness stains?
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Nov 30, 2015 20:46
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Nov 30, 2015 20:48
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The BMA have hosed it up here, they wont be able to strike in a few weeks after Hunt drags his feet as there will be thousands of dying old ladies in the wards.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:48
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XMNN posted:That's racist. It's ok i'm part Irish.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:50
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Pissflaps posted:Green ink? Guinness stains? Signed with a drawing of a clover
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serious gaylord posted:The BMA have hosed it up here, they wont be able to strike in a few weeks after Hunt drags his feet as there will be thousands of dying old ladies in the wards. I'm desperately hoping they get back to the table in the next day or two, realise Hunt is loving with them, and continue with the planned full strike action. But it won't happen. Holy poo poo this is the loving  est thing.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:52
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serious gaylord posted:The BMA have hosed it up here, they wont be able to strike in a few weeks after Hunt drags his feet as there will be thousands of dying old ladies in the wards. Well hopefully they can make the point that they put everything they could into providing the best service this winter but the government has historically failed to provide them with enough resources to do their job and is still attempting to make things worse with an unsafe and unfair contract, so Jeremy Hunt should be executed and the bourgeois capitalist state system should be smashed. Edit: poo poo I forgot about our new laws; is saying that illegal?
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serious gaylord posted:The BMA have hosed it up here, they wont be able to strike in a few weeks after Hunt drags his feet as there will be thousands of dying old ladies in the wards. "This winter has shown how urgently the NHS needs these reforms"
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Nov 30, 2015 20:55
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thespaceinvader posted:On another note, anyone doing the policymaking webinar that's about to start? I don't want to open with 'do you have stairs in your house'.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:57
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namesake posted:Well hopefully they can make the point that they put everything they could into providing the best service this winter but the government has historically failed to provide them with enough resources to do their job and is still attempting to make things worse with an unsafe and unfair contract, so Jeremy Hunt should be executed and the bourgeois capitalist state system should be smashed.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:57
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Guavanaut posted:I think calling for the execution of a sitting member of parliament has been illegal for a few centuries. It's loving human rights gone mad Stu.
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Guavanaut posted:I think calling for the execution of a sitting member of parliament has been illegal for a few centuries. I'm not sure CALLING for it is illegal. Enacting it would be. Unless Hunt chose to do it himself.
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Nov 30, 2015 21:35
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Cameron's calling for the Syria vote on Wednesday. Must have run the numbers and figured he can win it
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Julio Cruz posted:Cameron's calling for the Syria vote on Wednesday. Must have run the numbers and figured he can win it Well this day just keeps getting better. Time to send that letter to my MP.
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So then I suppose the next question (as you're probably right about it passing) is what will Corbyn do to the Labour MPs voting for war?
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Comes out on the same day as this http://www.thenational.scot/news/nato-general-sir-richard-shirreff-warns-air-strikes-on-syria-are-useless.10604 A bloody and protracted war in the middle east? Oh boy. Can't wait.
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namesake posted:So then I suppose the next question (as you're probably right about it passing) is what will Corbyn do to the Labour MPs voting for war? Nothing.
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Jedit posted:Congratulations on not reading the graph. The Tory decline is caused by two spikes in voting intent, first a small one for the SNP and then a bigger one for UKIP. The first isn't going to increase except at the expense of Labour, and the second we really do not want at all. I did the read the graph, and noticed the UKIP spike, I'm just not bothered by it. Thanks for being impotently angry for the wrong reason as usual.
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namesake posted:So then I suppose the next question (as you're probably right about it passing) is what will Corbyn do to the Labour MPs voting for war? Nothing. That's for the CLPs 
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Nov 30, 2015 21:55
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thespaceinvader posted:I'm not sure CALLING for it is illegal. Enacting it would be. Unless Hunt chose to do it himself.
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Guavanaut posted:I figure that it would fall under seditious libel historically or whatever parts of the terrorism act replaced that. Unless you're formally accusing him of committing a capital crime. And there's been no such thing as a capital crime since Tony Blair abolished it for war crimes in 1998 in a rare example of thinking ahead. And yet it was totes legal for Cameron to both call for AND enact the execution of Mohammed Emwazi and other British citizens.
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namesake posted:So then I suppose the next question (as you're probably right about it passing) is what will Corbyn do to the Labour MPs voting for war? They've been told they're free to decide for themselves whether to support bombing or not, so there's no reason to take action against those who vote in favour any more than those who vote against. Jeremy Corbyn is going to speak against bombing in the Commons and Hilary Benn, the Shadow Foreign Secretary, will speak in favour. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-a6755151.html
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Nov 30, 2015 22:04
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Paxman posted:They've been told they're free to decide for themselves whether to support bombing or not, so there's no reason to take action against those who vote in favour any more than those who vote against. Aiya yet again the Tories don't even need to bother writing the headlines. gently caress's sake PLP.
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thespaceinvader posted:And yet it was totes legal for Cameron to both call for AND enact the execution of Mohammed Emwazi and other British citizens.
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Paxman posted:They've been told they're free to decide for themselves whether to support bombing or not, so there's no reason to take action against those who vote in favour any more than those who vote against. how the gently caress is the son of Tony Benn calling for bombing a foreign country. He'll be turning in his grave.
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Nov 30, 2015 22:08
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JFairfax posted:how the gently caress is the son of Tony Benn calling for bombing a foreign country. He'll be turning in his grave. Ronald Reagan's son, Ronald Reagan Jr., is a left-wing liberal who throws his whole-hearted support behind Bernie Sanders for the US president. Sometimes apples fall far from the tree.
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 quote:The British press "systematically undermined" Jeremy Corbyn with an onslaught of negative media coverage in his first week as Labour leader, new research has claimed.
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thespaceinvader posted:Aiya yet again the Tories don't even need to bother writing the headlines. gently caress's sake PLP. Honestly, I think Corbyn shat it. If he's not going to actually stand up to his cabinet & demand a whipped vote on something like this then when will he do it? Pissflaps is right that this lurching from one crisis to another simply cannot go on, for all his good intentions. For all he wants to redefine leadership, the more ground he gives up to the people who have been against him from day 0, the quicker the knives are going to come out. You can't redefine leadership if you're only in the job for 6 months. The longer he postpones the inevitable tussle with the right wing of the party the less chance he has of surviving it when it comes, a decision like today will hurt his support among members even if it is consistent with his views on leadership. Never mind how it looks to the rest of the electorate.
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forkboy84 posted:Honestly, I think Corbyn shat it. If he's not going to actually stand up to his cabinet & demand a whipped vote on something like this then when will he do it? Pissflaps is right that this lurching from one crisis to another simply cannot go on, for all his good intentions. For all he wants to redefine leadership, the more ground he gives up to the people who have been against him from day 0, the quicker the knives are going to come out. You can't redefine leadership if you're only in the job for 6 months. The longer he postpones the inevitable tussle with the right wing of the party the less chance he has of surviving it when it comes, a decision like today will hurt his support among members even if it is consistent with his views on leadership. Never mind how it looks to the rest of the electorate. TBF, some of the blame for this has to lie on the shadow cabinet. They've seen the same polling Corbyn has, they HAVE to know that the majority of the membership is squarely against this.
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Fans posted:We can but hope. If they can't then the left should finally, finally stop trying to relate to the Labour Party.
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