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Good-Natured Filth posted:There's a new person on our project team that doesn't know how to answer A/B questions. "Hey. Do you think we should do A or B?" "Yes." "Did you reply to the business with A or B?" "Yes." kill this person are you and the team at least like, correcting them each time?
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Roll some dice and go "you've chosen B then! Alright!"
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SerthVarnee posted:Roll some dice and go "you've chosen B then! Alright!" Dare you enter my magical realm?
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May 15, 2024 13:43
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Atopian posted:Dare you enter my magical realm? You could have two of the sides say "PIP" if you want things to be scary.
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SerthVarnee posted:You could have two of the sides say "PIP" if you want things to be scary. I would in fact put that person on a PIP if they don't stop
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May 15, 2024 13:56
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Good-Natured Filth posted:There's a new person on our project team that doesn't know how to answer A/B questions. "Hey. Do you think we should do A or B?" "Yes." "Did you reply to the business with A or B?" "Yes." Drop a diss track on this jerk. "Dear leader, I'm sorry this man is your report."
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May 15, 2024 14:01
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:are you and the team at least like, correcting them each time? Yes, follow up questions with "which one did you do?" Emphasizing that's the appropriate way to answer the question. I think the problem is that this is an offshore contractor the business could afford with their currently strapped budget (which means low-level and not a full grasp of English). If it continues much longer, we'll talk to the vendor and get them replaced.
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May 15, 2024 14:10
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It sounds like they're saying yes to A if English isn't their primary language or something
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May 15, 2024 14:30
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Good-Natured Filth posted:There's a new person on our project team that doesn't know how to answer A/B questions. "Hey. Do you think we should do A or B?" "Yes." "Did you reply to the business with A or B?" "Yes." This has been happening to me except it's my loving boss. 
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May 15, 2024 14:39
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If you’re dealing with offshore contractors that don’t have a very high level of English (or whatever is the company’s primary language) then you need someone on your team who is also fairly fluent in the Contractor’s language, otherwise it’s impossible to reconcile intent and text.
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Instead of an A/B question, ask a Yes/No question using your preferred option. Make them give you the answer you want.
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May 15, 2024 14:43
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dpkg chopra posted:If you’re dealing with offshore contractors that don’t have a very high level of English (or whatever is the company’s primary language) then you need someone on your team who is also fairly fluent in the Contractor’s language, otherwise it’s impossible to reconcile intent and text. Oh man at one job we had a Portuguese vendor that my manager insisted had enough English proficiency that it wouldn't be a problem. Turns out, they had no English proficiency, and my manager was the only person who spoke Portuguese. I took great joy in making my boss do my job for me. He didn't pick the vendor. It was just absolute dumb luck it worked out that way. They eventually brought on a talented engineer who also spoke fairly good English which sucked all the fun out of it.
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This is like a " one will only ever tell the truth, the other one always lies, what question should you ask them?" Thing. "You approach two reportees, both will only answer yes, what question should you ask to determine what status the project is in?" *Thinks for a while* "Am I hosed?"
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May 15, 2024 14:50
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I think we probably could change our wording to adjust to their lack of native language skills. "Given the following two options, respond with which one of the two you did: A; B".
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May 15, 2024 15:03
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yeah the language barrier thing softens my stance on it for sure. ask better questions.
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I think if you’re having to communicate with a contractor at such a basic level then that person is probably no longer useful to you and should be replaced ASAP or your workflow changed to incorporate a translator.
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dpkg chopra posted:I think if you’re having to communicate with a contractor at such a basic level then that person is probably no longer useful to you and should be replaced ASAP or your workflow changed to incorporate a translator. Yeah try explaining that to the C level that hired them. They don't have the language comprehension skills for it either.
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Renegret posted:No way. Telnet home or else I'm calling infosec My cloud storage is a public library computer I installed an open ftp server on.
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Good-Natured Filth posted:I think we probably could change our wording to adjust to their lack of native language skills. "Given the following two options, respond with which one of the two you did: A; B". "Yes, it was done."
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Good-Natured Filth posted:I think we probably could change our wording to adjust to their lack of native language skills. "Given the following two options, respond with which one of the two you did: A; B". Which one of the two you did: A; B
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May 15, 2024 16:14
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Jenkl posted:Which one of the two you did: A; B yes
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Please revert when you have done the needful
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May 15, 2024 16:47
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Me, with a fully complete and detailed project proposal, gets rejected. Chad, with a blank form, gets approved. gently caress if you're going to see me at the steering committee again.
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Guy Axlerod posted:Me, with a fully complete and detailed project proposal, gets rejected. here lies axelrod he never steered
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Guy Axlerod posted:Me, with a fully complete and detailed project proposal, gets rejected. The blank form was titled "GenAI Blockchain to Lower our Bottom Line".
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Did you make sure to say that all the derivatives of Number will go up and not just Number itself?
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Good-Natured Filth posted:There's a new person on our project team that doesn't know how to answer A/B questions. "Hey. Do you think we should do A or B?" "Yes." "Did you reply to the business with A or B?" "Yes." Good-Natured Filth posted:Yes, follow up questions with "which one did you do?" Emphasizing that's the appropriate way to answer the question. I think the problem is that this is an offshore contractor the business could afford with their currently strapped budget (which means low-level and not a full grasp of English). If it continues much longer, we'll talk to the vendor and get them replaced. I was immediately thinking this, because it's exactly how my daughter answered things when she was three. 
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Renegret posted:Yeah try explaining that to the C level that hired them. "I can get these same answers through AI"
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Guy Axlerod posted:Me, with a fully complete and detailed project proposal, gets rejected. Little did you know Chad had an AI generate a proposal and answer questions on the fly during the presentation
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My teammate is pretty sure they interviewed someone using this: https://github.com/leetcode-mafia/cheetah
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Promotions took effect recently and the guy that was unofficially leading the day-to-day of the project I'm focused on is now officially a manager role with reports now. I don't report to him but he coordinates the project tasks between my team (analysis) and other teams (eg design and other analysis teams). He actually said that he wants everyone on this project to give him our phone numbers so he can "text us if we're late to meetings" and stuff. Big loving no lmao.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Promotions took effect recently and the guy that was unofficially leading the day-to-day of the project I'm focused on is now officially a manager role with reports now. I don't report to him but he coordinates the project tasks between my team (analysis) and other teams (eg design and other analysis teams). He actually said that he wants everyone on this project to give him our phone numbers so he can "text us if we're late to meetings" and stuff. "My work phone number is in the company directory." No work phone or landline only? Tough luck, newbie manager.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Promotions took effect recently and the guy that was unofficially leading the day-to-day of the project I'm focused on is now officially a manager role with reports now. I don't report to him but he coordinates the project tasks between my team (analysis) and other teams (eg design and other analysis teams). He actually said that he wants everyone on this project to give him our phone numbers so he can "text us if we're late to meetings" and stuff. Didn't even try to couch it as anything other than harassing and micromanaging, amazing.
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Every time I read this thread it makes me really happy that I don't have to deal with some of the really awful stupid poo poo that some of you have to put up with The people I work with are generally fine if a little inexperienced and my manager is cool as gently caress. All my biggest problems come from upper management outside my organization and either fortunately or unfortunately I don't have access to talk to those people directly I'm lucky to have a +2 and a +3 who actually give a poo poo about making things better and trying to influence the overall system for the better but everything in the corporate world moves like molasses and that's probably my overall biggest frustration My heart genuinely goes out to all of you who have to deal with trash coworkers and managers
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I am happy for you and also knocking on wood, throwing salt over my shoulder, and whatever else tricks there are to counter the strong Tempting Fate energy in your post.
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Democratic Pirate posted:I am happy for you and also knocking on wood, throwing salt over my shoulder, and whatever else tricks there are to counter the strong Tempting Fate energy in your post. * sound of window breaking * Bah gawd, that's Re-Org's music!
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Luckily my manager and my team are all pretty cool and chill. This newbie manager sucks though even when his role and responsibilities were unofficial. But I don't report to him so it's whatever.
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Woof, my job just went to three days a week in office. Two days is already an absolutely reviled policy that is regularly undermined by most employees most days. None of my team even live in the same region of the country as me!
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Anonymous Robot posted:Woof, my job just went to three days a week in office. Two days is already an absolutely reviled policy that is regularly undermined by most employees most days. This happened to me, then a recruiter came to me with a 100% remote job at a 20% pay increase. It can happen to you too!
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