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jemand posted:So many places want to have this, but seem to want to drive it by having lower level people just take massive risks with their careers rather than trying to actually make a safe environment. I know this thread tends to towards cynical (and not wrongly) but in my experience people like this eventually tend to not last long in a specific role. They’re fundamentally bullshitters, and bullshit only works for so long. Which is not to say they’ll fail or spectacularly implode, they’ll just move on to something else, likely with more money and a higher title.
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Awkward Davies posted:I know this thread tends to towards cynical (and not wrongly) but in my experience people like this eventually tend to not last long in a specific role. They’re fundamentally bullshitters, and bullshit only works for so long. Which is not to say they’ll fail or spectacularly implode, they’ll just move on to something else, likely with more money and a higher title. Exactly this. The smarter ones jump from project to project to protect their own reputation/create plausible deniability and then jump off somewhere else when the walls eventually start closing in. Their most important skillset is bullshit/politics and they're exactly the ones you see failing up on a regular basis. My previous boss was exactly this and I predict is about to exit/be exited as the walls are closing in. His previous employer demoted him/his title from a C role to a "Head of". That wasn't sufficient warning sign for us though. Everything else on his resume looks like failing upwards including this one if he just removes the C-level title from the last and only lists the title he had when exiting. E: just checked linkedin and he lists the title in reverse order, insinuating he was promoted during his tenure lol. It's technically not lying. Motronic fucked around with this message at 16:42 on May 18, 2024 |
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Awkward Davies posted:I know this thread tends to towards cynical (and not wrongly) but in my experience people like this eventually tend to not last long in a specific role. They’re fundamentally bullshitters, and bullshit only works for so long. Which is not to say they’ll fail or spectacularly implode, they’ll just move on to something else, likely with more money and a higher title. Thanks, it's good to be reminded of this truth. This is the guy that was pumping nfts three years ago and jumped hard on generative ai when chatgpt hit, so he's got a bit more bullshit runway to ride. Once that hype bubble starts to deflate I expect he'll be racing for the exit, leaving the rest of us to salvage the sensible implementations of the tech while dismantling the expensive bullshit.
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For my company, IT and other service-type groups are in 2 days a week but we got to choose what days. Follow the enabling of full badge tracking and warnings/firings for people not showing up, they've realized that won't work and Of course, we'll see if it gets started as planned because a good portion of the building is without windows right now after the Houston storm 
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My god damned idiot (leader) has the audacity to book a tuesday-after-long-weekend 9am meeting with me at 330pm Friday, and when I tell her I'll need to work over the weekend to be ready goes "oh are you sure? I'd really rather you didn't work overtime." Then cancel the meeting, dipshit.
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Awkward Davies posted:I know this thread tends to towards cynical (and not wrongly) but in my experience people like this eventually tend to not last long in a specific role. They’re fundamentally bullshitters, and bullshit only works for so long. Which is not to say they’ll fail or spectacularly implode, they’ll just move on to something else, likely with more money and a higher title. Are we really sure though that we aren’t the schmucks, working hard (relatively) while BS artists rise up the ladder so fast? I’ve seen people rise up and maybe dip down after being found out a few times, but not fall hard and have trouble getting back at it, albeit in 1-3 yr stints. The moral of the story is that hard work is dumb I guess???
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I 100% know I'm a sucker for caring about the customers and the company. I sleep at night because i do care about the people on my teams and do what I can to protect and promote them.
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Tnuctip posted:Are we really sure though that we aren’t the schmucks, working hard (relatively) while BS artists rise up the ladder so fast? I’ve seen people rise up and maybe dip down after being found out a few times, but not fall hard and have trouble getting back at it, albeit in 1-3 yr stints. You can go pretty far if you're willing to sell your soul for it.
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Motronic posted:I 100% know I'm a sucker for caring about the customers and the company. I sleep at night because i do care about the people on my teams and do what I can to protect and promote them. I care about my coworkers to a degree and about my customers because in theory my negligence can literally kill them. I don't like the idea of spending a portion of my life wondering about whether I was responsible for *insert hypothetical product recall that killed people here*. Plus honestly, pure cynicism feels like a lovely way to spend 30+ years of your life. You don't have to chug the corporate Koolaid, but maybe a sip to avoid going literally insane wouldn't hurt. 
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That sip was taken much earlier in my life/career. It has passed through my system entirely at this point. Remember, you do things that can save people lives or improve the quality of them. I'm just passing phone calls and sms, mostly for companies that want time and attention from people who don't want to be contacted by them.
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When I started as a contractor it was almost creepy. Everyone was weirdly nice, like "is this a cult?" nice. After about six months I got used to it. I did tell anyone I met from HR or Recruiting that whatever they were doing to screen people for culture fit was working. Some years later I converted from contractor to FTE and started getting the corporate indoctrination. It turns out there is some company kool-aid, but it's mostly focused around getting drugs to patients, so that's pretty okay.
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May 19, 2024 20:51
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I care neither for my customers or my coworkers. However, I am both a literal and figurative dog and am motivated by words of praise, as well as live in fear of a negative performance review.
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I'm mostly just here for the ride at this point, I'm well past burnout after my more ambitious years (that got me nowhere but an anxiety disorder). I don't give a poo poo about the company, the client's *mission* I care about but not their individual members (I am in fedgov consulting), and my only objective for my reports and peers is making our day-to-day as trouble free as possible.
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I’m already riven by imposter syndrome, I can’t imagine leaning into that and going full imposter, I think I’d fall apart.
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That's why the actual imposters are so terrible. The syndrome has taken over and is running the show.
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mllaneza posted:When I started as a contractor it was almost creepy. Everyone was weirdly nice, like "is this a cult?" nice. After about six months I got used to it. I did tell anyone I met from HR or Recruiting that whatever they were doing to screen people for culture fit was working. It still blows my mind how completely different our experiences here are in some ways. I'm guessing it has a lot to do with so many people from my part of the organization being hire-ins from the northeast / other companies and not home-grown, or maybe the increased proximity to the mothership's influence? I spend more time in meetings / dealing with mandates from Switzerland than I spend dealing with ones from SSF. The SSF-specific people seem pretty cozy, but we've got some seriously vicious folks in positions of power over in my branch of development, at least. (Yet somehow, this is still miles away the best place I've ever worked.  )
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I basically work for Dunder mifflin, so I’m not super invested in the company, but I am invested is looking like I’ve drunk the kool aid because I know that is something my manager notices. So yeah, we’re not saving lives or anything but I will excitedly post a photo in teams when one of our fleet trucks drops supplies off at my house because that’s the poo poo that my boss loves to see.
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Sundae posted:maybe the increased proximity to the mothership's influence? My org is run mostly out of Switzerland and Spain. I think your problem is mostly with the hire-ins with NE-ers a secondary factor. Your reporting chain goes through our head of research, and everyone else I know under her is pretty happy.
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At the place I'm working now it is by far the largest company I've worked for, and apart from the folks I joined with it has been interesting finding the other helpful, useful people in the org. There are a lot, but there also a lot of just utterly useless coasters who do the bare minimum and try to foist off any task on whatever easy target comes their way. It's nice meeting the useful folks though and they are usually so relieved to meet other useful folks.
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priznat posted:It's nice meeting the useful folks though and they are usually so relieved to meet other useful folks. Finding the people who are actually helpful is about the most important skill you can have in a large corporation. How to create a GPO is something you can Google. Who will take you seriously when you say you need one is not. Hell, I got my chance at this job by befriending my predecessor.
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I've been on vacation for the past week and come back tomorrow. I just found out that my skip level boss, who isn't normally this way, scheduled a lunch with a vendor sales rep tomorrow that's going to be an hour drive away for me. Now I get to spend the morning trying to talk my boss into letting me miss it. His current offer is to pick me up and we drive together, which is Not Better. I hate stuff like this. I have no purchasing authority, we're already using their product, so why do I want to meet this guy?
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you ate my cat posted:I've been on vacation for the past week and come back tomorrow. I just found out that my skip level boss, who isn't normally this way, scheduled a lunch with a vendor sales rep tomorrow that's going to be an hour drive away for me. Now I get to spend the morning trying to talk my boss into letting me miss it. His current offer is to pick me up and we drive together, which is Not Better. It sounds like you haven't checked your emails because you're on vacation, and that you won't see the email until you get in at 9am tomorrow, by which time it'll be too late for you to go.
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I started my career in medical devices and since then moved steadily towards more pointless jobs, so now I work for a place that would probably make everyone's life better by disappearing. The fun part is that as my job becomes less important in the grand scheme of things, I am paid better, have better work life balance and have much saner bosses.
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I purposefully chose a job and career that has no potential to kill, maim, or harm a human except so I do not give a gently caress and somebody saying "this is a real busy workload, you gotta work late to manage it all" falls on a fleshy spot where ears could be.
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Xarn posted:The fun part is that as my job becomes less important in the grand scheme of things, I am paid better, have better work life balance and have much saner bosses. That's the thing that threw my idiot poor brain for a loop. I started off as a research analyst and had a ton of pressure on me for not a lot of money. Now I make extremely good money 10 years later as a "senior strategic advisor" and I have no accountability, no real obligations, and my overall workload is extremely light. The things I bitch about are stuff like "I have to put on serious pants and go into the office twice this week" or "I have to host a workshop for six hours remotely this week". When I was at the lower end of the totem pole it was "I have 60 hours of work and 40 hours to do it and if I don't figure this out people will be Mad."
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Barudak posted:I purposefully chose a job and career that has no potential to kill, maim, or harm a human except so I do not give a gently caress and somebody saying "this is a real busy workload, you gotta work late to manage it all" falls on a fleshy spot where ears could be. I suppose "menacing promises" don't kill, maim, or harm. That's someone else's job.
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Bullshit Jobs was largely correct.
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Volmarias posted:I suppose "menacing promises" don't kill, maim, or harm. Look if a product is delivered you pay for it. Thems the rules of business.
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Especially if that product is a flight to Singapore
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1) The year is 2024, why do people still not understand reply-all storms 2) Why does the "2021 Quarterly All Hands" distro still exist, and why is it available for general use? 3) Why is this going down at 11 PM ON A loving SUNDAY HOLY poo poo GO TO BED PEOPLE
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So I'm guilty of the Sunday night thing because our VPN automatically shuts down after 24 hours and I'm so loving lazy that I get out of bed at 7:50am for my first meeting at 8 every day, and logging in takes a minute or so but if something goes wrong it takes longer because I have to keep retrying. I don't want to deal with that poo poo first thing on a Monday morning so I always log in Sunday night before bed and in order to confirm that I'm actually connected to the VPN I have to make sure I can open an email and read a Teams message. And I also check to see if there eany unexpected or important meetings I forgot about on Monday morning because I don't think about work over the weekend. But I don't actually respond to anything because lol I can totally see how some people would do the same as me but get sucked into an email thread. And then there are the workaholics
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Sunday night "do I actually need to get up before lunch?" checks are totally cool and good, actually.
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I took a week off and have come back to doing my job and now covering a coworkers while they are on leave plus a bunch of other tasks that I have never done really setting me up for success here. Clearly it was hubris to think I could take a week off
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Shrieking Muppet posted:I took a week off and have come back to doing my job and now covering a coworkers while they are on leave plus a bunch of other tasks that I have never done really setting me up for success here. Sure, you can take the week off! Just have that week's work done before you leave! I really, really hate how places redefine "vacation" in a way to make it meaningless now.At McNeil/J&J, whenever I tried to take vacation time, my manager would always ask me who was going to do my work while I was gone. It was either my responsibility to get someone to cover everything while I was out (wtf do your job manager) or to bring my laptop with me and work from vacation. Absolute bullshit, but while I knew it was bullshit, I didn't realize just how bad of bullshit it was until the mentality started affecting my health. (Plus it wasn't so different from the previous job in Indiana to make me realize that I'd had two terrible workplaces in a row.) Even if I got someone to cover for me, it never mattered in the end because my boss always called me anyway, whether it was while I was on vacation, taking care of my wife post-surgery or at the hospital myself. In retrospect / 20-20 hindsight, perhaps her repeatedly calling me while I was in the ER should've been my first hint that no, that thing I thought was a heart attack was actually panic attacks. One of the best days of my career, in a way, was deleting their texts and voice mails when they started calling me with questions after I quit. A silent "gently caress you, figure out where I left those papers yourselves you shitbirds."
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mllaneza posted:When I started as a contractor it was almost creepy. Everyone was weirdly nice, like "is this a cult?" nice. After about six months I got used to it. I did tell anyone I met from HR or Recruiting that whatever they were doing to screen people for culture fit was working. Speaking of company Koolaid, I worked at a ~ 1000 person pharma company where all of the non-scientific staff seemed to worship the CEO like a cult. We got acquired and he was talking about streamlining operations so we do not have duplicate functions between the acquiring company and us, and they were all cheering like they won the lottery. We also had group new employee meetings with the CEO guided by the head of HR, and every question that was asked was some variation of "what makes you so awesome?". They sold at a lower price than expected based on market predictions, but a bunch of executives had bonuses added in from the acquiring company where they came out ahead. Also, while I am airing biotech specific grievances: how every company shuts down discussion with the phrases "shareholder value" or "doing what is best for patients", where the former is if something seems greedy or money/profit focused and the latter if it seems to be more about nickle and diming employees. Sure, you worked here for 10 years, but we took away coffee and didn't give a severance because we needed to do what is the best for the patients. How dare you complain about vacation days or pay, don't you care about helping people?
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Pain of Mind posted:Speaking of company Koolaid, I worked at a ~ 1000 person pharma company where all of the non-scientific staff seemed to worship the CEO like a cult. We got acquired and he was talking about streamlining operations so we do not have duplicate functions between the acquiring company and us, and they were all cheering like they won the lottery. We also had group new employee meetings with the CEO guided by the head of HR, and every question that was asked was some variation of "what makes you so awesome?". They sold at a lower price than expected based on market predictions, but a bunch of executives had bonuses added in from the acquiring company where they came out ahead. Also, while I am airing biotech specific grievances: how every company shuts down discussion with the phrases "shareholder value" or "doing what is best for patients", where the former is if something seems greedy or money/profit focused and the latter if it seems to be more about nickle and diming employees. Sure, you worked here for 10 years, but we took away coffee and didn't give a severance because we needed to do what is the best for the patients. How dare you complain about vacation days or pay, don't you care about helping people?
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I can only imagine how far up their own asses the fart sniffers up at corporate would be if we were making medicine lol They still try, bless them, but at the end of the day we're selling liquor
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dpkg chopra posted:I thought you said you weren’t in medicine???? Well, at least I scrolled down before I made the same joke...
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The most useful and honest job of any poster in this thread.
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