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Anders posted:I can’t read, so I thought it was GURMworld Lovecraft is best read with a certain amount of academic detachment. Dude was a hosed up little weirdo who had some good ideas, but they got buried in HP’s own work and don’t get good until other people played with them. If you care about the history of horror, you kind of have to read some of his stuff, but I wouldn’t recommend it for fun. Also holy poo poo, hey bud. Long time.
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Invalid Validation posted:Would be funny if it’s already written and he just didn’t want to send it to his editor for whatever reason. I had this pie in the sky theory at one point that they were waiting for Dream to be close to done so that they could release them within a year or two of each other.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Also holy poo poo, hey bud. Long time. Thanks the same! I finally got fed up with all of the social media and realized that the forums was a pretty fun place compared to the other places
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Jul 9, 2023 20:05
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I just read King's Lovecraft riffs, some fun short stories and also the novel Revival. All the fun with significantly less racism!
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I just read King's Lovecraft riffs, some fun short stories and also the novel Revival. All the fun with significantly less racism! Yeah, later authors and the New Weird genre in general are significantly better than anything ol' H.P. Lovecrizzle did. I usually hand people Langan or Mieville and then later, maybe, specific original stories if they want background on what real authors are riffing on. If you want some completely out there free-jazz on the genre, I recently read Winter Tide and its sequel which have managed to turn it borderline YA. Basically after the Innsmouth raid the FBI put the Deep Ones in camps where years later they got shuffled into the Japanese internment camps ; now one of the last surviving Deep Ones is living in San Francisco and sort-of helping the FBI with investigations. Sort of like if the show Bones had a fish lady. I'm not in love with it but it was very interesting and an easy read. Anders posted:Thanks the same! I finally got fed up with all of the social media and realized that the forums was a pretty fun place compared to the other places I'm keeping this in mind if I get my poo poo together enough to run an RPG.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Lovecraft is best read with a certain amount of academic detachment. Dude was a hosed up little weirdo who had some good ideas, but they got buried in HP’s own work and don’t get good until other people played with them. If you care about the history of horror, you kind of have to read some of his stuff, but I wouldn’t recommend it for fun. The only good Lovecraft story I remember is the one with an archaeologist researching ancient ruins in Antarctica, who then gets his mind switched with ancient sea anemone people from long ago. And it's mostly good because it asks the reader to be horrified on behalf of giant bug people you'll never get to meet, because the sea anemone people lived on Earth millions of years ago and have already killed them all by switching their minds with them on the eve of their own bad decisions coming home to roost. So an alien species of bugs got genocided by getting stuck in sea anemone bodies on Earth's distant part, only to be slaughtered by bio-robots finally breaching the anemone-peoples' defenses. Very advanced SF-horror, and humans only play a small role because those distant past weirdos were curious about what the future of Earth would bring, long after they're gone on to live as giant bugs somewhere else. I dunno how he could write this, but also stuff that sounds like it was birthed into this world by a racism elemental
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Jul 9, 2023 20:44
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'm keeping this in mind if I get my poo poo together enough to run an RPG. What game do you have in mind?
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Jul 9, 2023 20:59
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Anders posted:What game do you have in mind? I’ve got a couple ideas I’m mulling over. I like a lot of collaboration when I run games because I’m But in terms of systems, I was gonna throw out either Unknown Armies (kind of gritty punk urban arcana) or Blades in the Dark as starters. UA has a new edition I haven’t gotten to the table and Blades is just a great time with really good mechanics. Both have nice, simple robust systems that drive the story rather than getting bogged down in 17% to pick locks.
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You should check out the rerelease of Twilight:2000 set in the year 2000. Uses the same rules as Mutant Year Zero The game follows the aftermath of WW3 where everything is in ruins, and that’s the only lore there is I find the system perfect for fast play and character development
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Jul 9, 2023 23:09
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Lol just as gonzo as I remember. I’ll check it out and shoot you a PM if anything comes of it. (Sorry, other people.)
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Xiahou Dun posted:Lol just as gonzo as I remember. Adapt the setting to Westeros and we can keep shitposting about it. It wouldn’t be the dumbest crossover the bad thread has produced
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Jul 10, 2023 01:11
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The manga version of Mountain of Madness is very good though
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Jul 11, 2023 11:06
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having read just about every published Lovecraft thing, you're better off reading derivatives. the terrible purple prose gives me some joy because I hate myself. everything else is terrible. like my favourite story is Herbert West: Reanimator. it's really funny and one of the first where dear Howard seems like he's kinda sorta becoming self-aware and rethinking his nazi rear end opinions. but just go watch Reanimator and spare yourself having to actually read about the dead irishman being a gross freak and that's the less racist part of that chapter.
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HELLO LADIES posted:H.P. Lovecraft was incredibly racist. I remember reading that he was starting to realize how hosed up his views were and wrote something to the effect of "I wish I could ask a younger me why I think/thought these things were ok" in a letter to a friend shortly before he died so maybe he was starting to realize just how hosed up his behavior was but given how his mind worked it could've also been a crisis of conscience that quickly passed. Robert E. Howard was pretty bad too, not sure if he was as bad as Lovecraft but reading some of the old Conan stories and his depictions of some non-white people and cultures in it is... yeah.
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Jul 12, 2023 22:30
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I think it’s a reverse Nietzsche where someone tries to fix his reputation
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Lovecraft was a privileged and sheltered weirdo whose response to one extreme being disproven to him was to jump almost blindly to the opposite extreme. He was a traditionalist/monarchist and a firm believer in the rich and powerful solving the problems of the poor, then the Depression hit and they didn't do that and he jumped to socialism. He practically fetishized WASP culture and held it above all others, then he traveled and met indigenous people and decided all cultures had value and the true challenge was to make sure each one lived up to its potential. Someone talked to him about astronomy once when he was like 15 and he decided no god of any religion could exist. When he found out that Hitler and the Nazis were actually harming Jewish people (remember, he died before WWII) instead of just "protecting German society" or whatever, he was "very incensed" and stopped supporting Hitler well earlier than many of his contemporary white American intellectuals. Much of what he said and did is indefensible. Are there indications he was moving away from those points of view? Sure, but it's equally likely that he had a series of "that is wrong, so I must therefore believe not-that instead" moments. If he'd lived longer, we'd know more about where and how he was moving and what he might have said, but he didn't. So we're left with the things he did say and do, which by and large ain't great.
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"if he'd lived longer" - the man died at age 46. Not old, sure, but well into the age where most people have a pretty settled identity. I don't think we can take his views as youthful mistakes, even if he might have changed his mind if he had lived longer.
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pidan posted:I don't think we can take his views as youthful mistakes, even if he might have changed his mind if he had lived longer. To be clear, I agree.
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“Lost”.
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Oh yeah, Samwell was hanging out in Westeros Hogwarts to become Westeros Gandalf when the fucker stopped giving a poo poo. Did the TV-show ever make something of that sideplot, or did Samwell just sit out the entire ice zombie apocalypse?
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Libluini posted:Did the TV-show ever make something of that sideplot, or did Samwell just sit out the entire ice zombie apocalypse? jesus christ * He argues that he's too smart and talented to be a trainee, and the show's on his side * He learns about the Others because there are plenty of books about them, the other maesters just didn't give enough of a poo poo to read them * He figures out how to cure greyscale: just cut the affected skin off! * He takes credit for discovering that Rhaegar married Lyanna and thus Jon's the heir, even though Gilly is the one who actually read about it in a book he stole * All of this somehow means he's Grand Maester for the Iron Throne after the ice zombie apocalypse * He finishes by writing a book called "The Song of Ice and Fire" It's loving insufferable.
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cowardly fat dipshit writes a song of ice and fire. but heres the fantasy part: he finishes it
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jsoh posted:cowardly fat dipshit writes a song of ice and fire. but heres the fantasy part: he finishes it Holy poo poo
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jsoh posted:cowardly fat dipshit writes a song of ice and fire. but heres the fantasy part: he finishes it Oh my God.
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jsoh posted:cowardly fat dipshit writes a song of ice and fire. but heres the fantasy part: he finishes it
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jsoh posted:cowardly fat dipshit writes a song of ice and fire. but heres the fantasy part: he finishes it Amazing.
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jsoh posted:cowardly fat dipshit writes a song of ice and fire. but heres the fantasy part: he finishes it now that's what I call deep hurting So Samwell was the author-insert all along, huh
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jsoh posted:cowardly fat dipshit writes a song of ice and fire. but heres the fantasy part: he finishes it
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disaster pastor posted:* He finishes by writing a book called "The Song of Ice and Fire" Some other Maester wrote it, he came up with the title though. More egregious is the fact that Tyrion is not mentioned in said book at all, the show plays it for laughs as usual but the sheer incompetence of not mentioning such a central character is staggering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcW_1kVa4c&t=34s
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I think I know enough of hate, And waiting. Some poet, perhaps.
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Vichan posted:Some other Maester wrote it, he came up with the title though. look, I'm already sad and disappointed that I remembered as much of Sam's stupid plot as I did Vichan posted:More egregious is the fact that Tyrion is not mentioned in said book at all, the show plays it for laughs as usual but the sheer incompetence of not mentioning such a central character is staggering. Yeah, this is ridiculous. "Oh, it's funny that he was overlooked! Oh, we're calling back to that thing Varys said about Tyrion not being mentioned in the histories!" No, it's dumb. Tyrion was Joffrey's Hand, was Sansa's husband, plotted the Battle of King's Landing, was convicted of Joffrey's assassination, assassinated his father (then Hand of the King in addition to ruling the Westerlands) while escaping execution, became Daenerys's Hand, helped plot her invasion, helped plot the Battle of Winterfell, betrayed Daenerys, talked the leftover nobles into the state of affairs that existed at the end, and is now the head of House Lannister. If you're writing a history of the last ten years (or the last hundred years!) and you don't mention that guy at all, whatever you've written isn't a history.
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jsoh posted:cowardly fat dipshit writes a song of ice and fire. but heres the fantasy part: he finishes it holy lol
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Libluini posted:now that's what I call deep hurting yeah, iirc the mountain that blogs blogged about it
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This means the last good book is 23 years old, and the first book was published 27 years ago
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nine-gear crow posted:Dany has been making GBS threads herself relentlessly for 12 years now And drinking water. "The more she drank, the more she shat," if memory serves. Unfortunately for GRRM, we didn't get Emilia Clark making GBS threads everywhere for that scene.
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one time a super popular fantasy series got a tv adaptation when i was in high school drat i need to get in on this, thought i infinity hours of books, television, and video game mods later... idk drat i hope Jon isn't dead for real
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A few weeks ago facebook popped up with a memory from when the battle of blackwater aired and I was gushing all over it saying something like "Game of thrones does not disappoint". what a naive little idiot.
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