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PoptartsNinja posted:Calling the vote now so I can do my usual map stuff. I hope the Goliath Scorpions taunt the Widowmakers with Schwarzenegger Mr. Freeze style ice puns the entire time. Imagine the last thing you hear as an Elemental punches his way into your cockpit being "ICE TO SEE YOU!" You'd be a weird mix of terrified and completely hate filled.
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So I'm hazy on Clan rules, I assume by humiliate the players will be expected to beat them in the field in such a lopsided victory that their pride is wounded and the unit is broken up, but actual kills and strategic goals aren't the focus? The Widowmakers will probably not suffer significant losses and the disbandment is more about morale and prestige rather than lost fighting strength? I suppose any result will intensify Clan infighting. Are there larger implications for the Goliath Scorpions getting an edge over the Widowmakers?
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Dolash posted:So I'm hazy on Clan rules, I assume by humiliate the players will be expected to beat them in the field in such a lopsided victory that their pride is wounded and the unit is broken up, but actual kills and strategic goals aren't the focus? The Widowmakers will probably not suffer significant losses and the disbandment is more about morale and prestige rather than lost fighting strength? Humiliation takes many forms, and I would wager it is mostly a fluff determination in this case. You could bring forces the Widowmakers see as "inferior" and beat them and that would be humiliating. You could bring equal forces and absolutely crush them. You could fight using questionably honorable tactics and destroy them. There could be something less combat-kill oriented that ends up like Counting Coup on a large scale. I would think in this case that because the Widowmakers are the attackers and thus have the "advantage" by Clan logic, it will come down to victory by whatever means is most trolly and infuriating. Air dropped Battle Armor will fill some of that quota just by nature. 
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Presumably it will be beating them in a humiliating and disruptive manner that destroys morale and renders their ability to fight as a unit questionable. So counting coup, fighting them in very unClan ways (or making them fight us in very unClan ways), using dishonourable weapons, perhaps staged or faked betrayals, sabotage, refusing to give "honourable" coup de graces to vanquished warriors, etc Clearly there will be a fine line between mocking them and actually subjecting them to an atrocity that could renew their resolve.
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Altitude map for this one's pretty interesting to look at on its own.
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Lighter = higher is the general rule for Battletech heightmaps IIRC, so I'm guessing that's a crevasse. If I don't get to kick a Widowmaker into the abyss like Leonidas I will be sad.
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I assume there's skidding rules for ice? Better watch out if you want to go full-speed near that gorge.
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It looks like some kind of collapsed ice bridge with the very abrupt elevation change right near the middle of the crevasse, and I'm going to be deeply disappointed if none of the goons in this mission accidentally throw themselves off it trying to charge an enemy ACE.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Ok. Where'd you put the camera? Given your love of MWO and prodding at it I figured a Frozen City revamped version was inevitable at some point. That or trench warfare slog in the vein of Polar Highwinds.
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Green Intern posted:I assume there's skidding rules for ice? Better watch out if you want to go full-speed near that gorge. From what I remember, ice is like pavement in that mechs can skid on it. I don't remember if it's got a harsher penalty to the PSR though.
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Shoeless posted:From what I remember, ice is like pavement in that mechs can skid on it. I don't remember if it's got a harsher penalty to the PSR though. Ice is nasty. You can have a lot of fun just shoving or drop-kicking a 'mech onto a patch of it and watching it try to stand back up.
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With the way Battletech works, I can only assume there's some obscure equipment and rules somewhere for attaching huge skates to the feet of your mech for a bonus on travelling over ice. There should also be giant kickin' sneaks you can get that prevent skidding on pavement.
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Dolash posted:With the way Battletech works, I can only assume there's some obscure equipment and rules somewhere for attaching huge skates to the feet of your mech for a bonus on travelling over ice. Mech sized crampons that do bonus damage when kicking prone enemies and prevent skidding on ice? They would probably reduce your running MP by 1, though, if they existed.
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Ice is Suuuuuuuuuper great for someone fielding Elementals and hitting lots of mechs with leg attacks!
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What are some of the more interesting environmental rules for Battletech? I'm curious what high and low gravity do exactly since any MechHQ game on those worlds leads to mechs ripping their legs off when they try running .
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What are the rules for orbital dropping into a gas giant?
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Synthbuttrange posted:What are the rules for orbital dropping into a gas giant? Let me check the rulebook here... Hmm, it says "see nuclear weapons." Okay... "You die"
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Synthbuttrange posted:What are the rules for orbital dropping into a gas giant? Gravity squishes your mech into a tiny ball that impacts the metallic core with a resounding thud. You die.
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Olothreutes posted:Gravity squishes your mech into a tiny ball that impacts the metallic core with a resounding thud. You die. Mechs have the density of foamed polyurethane, so it would float somewhere in the upper atmosphere. Probably high enough to survive the pressure if it doesn't melt from temperature.
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Nov 24, 2016 08:19
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I always wondered how the jumpjets could do such an impressive job.
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Nov 24, 2016 08:25
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Hover-tanks are a thing, has anyone made hover-mechs? Or at least some sort of Jump variant that can stay airborn at all times without being a LAM. An all-hovering mech battle in the atmosphere of a Gas Giant where if your Jump Jets get disabled you drop to your death in the clouds below would be rad.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Calling the vote now so I can do my usual map stuff. Finally we shall beat the icey ship I never beat in regular MW2 Mercs
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Remmon posted:Mechs have the density of foamed polyurethane, so it would float somewhere in the upper atmosphere. Probably high enough to survive the pressure if it doesn't melt from temperature. That's not how gas giants work. They're not as dense as Earths' atmosphere so they'd sink until they hit a liquid layer and shatter like glass, and we know `Mechs sink in liquid so they'd eventually do the same thing even on a gas giant.
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PoptartsNinja posted:That's not how gas giants work. They're not as dense as Earths' atmosphere so they'd sink until they hit a liquid layer and shatter like glass, and we know `Mechs sink in liquid so they'd eventually do the same thing even on a gas giant. And then the Space Undines reveal themselves... 
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Better question: Since fire-resistant armor renders the wearer immune to all fire- and heat-based effects, does that mean Salamanders can operate safely on the surface of the sun? A) Who cares? As with gas giants it's outside the scope of the game and not something to be concerned about. RAW the answer is 'yes, but' since the armor will protect the wearer from the sun's heat but not from the deadly, deadly radiation.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Better question: It would at least protect them from getting cooked by the radiation. So they just get to enjoy the wonders of cancer! Curse you, magic shielding.
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Has a full on cure been discovered for cancer in Battletech, come to think of it? If they do, then Salamanders can chill on a star all day every day.
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Shoeless posted:Has a full on cure been discovered for cancer in Battletech, come to think of it? Yes and No. Cancer killed Grayson "Death" Carlyle and cancer was also a plot point that's supposed to humanize Victor by giving him a failure/weakness (but instead just made him look like a heartless idiot). Joshua Marik, Thomas Hallas's son, died of leukemia while at the NAIS. We need the Free Worlds League to continue supplying us with upgrade kits, do we tell Thomas "Marik" that his son is dead or do we make a body double and lie about it? A competent diplomat would've told Thomas Marik and then parlayed the man's grief into continuing to supply the AFFS with upgrade kits at cost "Your son died to protect the Inner Sphere from the Clans, he's a hero and we've created Joshua Day to honor him and all of the other innocents who suffer in the name of peace." Victor made the double and pretended nothing was wrong, a situation that lasted less than a year until Katrina leaked it to Thomas to start a war with the League and increase unrest in the Lyran Commonwealth. The Clans meanwhile have effective and functional gene therapy to reduce the risk of / cure cancer, but most of their warriors don't live long enough for cancer to be a concern so it's mainly for the other castes. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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I wonder what ever happened to the clone of Joshua Marik. Did they just dispose of him or something?
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If you want a flaw to humanize someone with, "is a big enough rear end in a top hat to clone a man's son and lie that they cured his leukemia in the name of strategic convenience" is pretty fertile ground, but judging by how Victor and the writing around him is received I'm going to guess this was not painted as the heartless move of someone rationalizing their increasingly questionable decisions for the war effort.
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^^^ Actually, it was exactly that. He realized almost immediately that the body double was a mistake he'd made due to stress (and never realized that it was Katherine pushing him into it, IIRC, just like she convinced him to assassinate her only political rival Ryan Steiner). Katherine was very, very good at manipulating Victor into doing very stupid things for "good" reasons. She basically presented him with the false choice of "Body double" or "AFFS loses its upgrades and the Clans win" and he chose the body double. Edit: Actually, come to think of it, that might not have been Katherine. I haven't read those books in a long while but I'm certain she had her hand in the pot somewhere. Rorahusky posted:I wonder what ever happened to the clone of Joshua Marik. Did they just dispose of him or something? Her. She was also a leukemia patient (at a much earlier stage) who accepted the role willingly since it meant her family wouldn't have to pay for her treatment (the Free Worlds League was technically doing that  ). She's never mentioned again but I prefer to believe she continued getting her free healthcare and was eventually cured.
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PoptartsNinja posted:^^^ Actually, it was exactly that. He realized almost immediately that the body double was a mistake he'd made due to stress (and never realized that it was Katherine pushing him into it, IIRC, just like she convinced him to assassinate her only political rival Ryan Steiner). Katherine was very, very good at manipulating Victor into doing very stupid things for "good" reasons. She basically presented him with the false choice of "Body double" or "AFFS loses its upgrades and the Clans win" and he chose the body double. A social safety net? In the Federated Suns? I bet you think she knew how to read.
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Defiance Industries posted:A social safety net? In the Federated Suns? I bet you think she knew how to read. She was either from New Avalon or her family was wealthy enough to get her there (the second's unlikely if medical bills were a concern) so yeah, she might've been able to.
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Something something Taurian Concordat something something highest literacy rate in the Inner Sphere.
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Shoeless posted:Something something Taurian Concordat something something highest literacy rate in the Inner Sphere. Even the Combine managed to have more or less universal literacy. It's not THAT hard. I mean, unless you're a Davion.
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The Concordat is that player in Civ who spends all their time building wonders and settling cities, and then gets them taken away by the player who spent all their time building an army.
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wiegieman posted:The Concordat is that player in Civ who spends all their time building wonders and settling cities, and then gets them taken away by the player who spent all their time building an army. No, they are Ghandi. They were rushing nukes.
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What would the wonders of the Inner Sphere be, anyway? Stuff from the Sol System is off-limits. Off the top of my head, there's DefHes, the NAIS, the dinosaurs of Caph and Bountiful Harvest, a planet that's 70% arable land.
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Helm would be one of those wonders that gives you a free technology, like the Oracle in Civ IV.
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