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Gyges posted:Isn't the GOP copying OFA's strategy across something like 5 different factions who all refuse to share? Sure a couple of those groups probably have bought/inherited enough data to start something, but that doesn't help conservative billionaire #5 when he starts up his own Super PAC. Yeah they're trying to make their own NGP-VAN, which is the Democratic fundraising and field management software respectively. What's really hilarious is that NGP-VAN is also a private company, but somehow the GOP free market jamboree effort to copy their success is leading to a giant multi-program clusterfuck as opposed to the smooth party-company cooperation that has happened with the Democrats.
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From another forum I frequent:quote:The big questions for 2016 are as follows. So, who's going to win the GOP nomination and lose against Hillary Clinton? I hope it's Rick Santorum, just for the lulz. Then the whole campaign trail becomes a glorified inauguration tour for Hillary.
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May 18, 2014 05:05
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AYC posted:From another forum I frequent: It's not going to Santorum or even a Santorum type. The evangelical block simply isn't a large enough percentage of the Republican Party for such a candidate to get through primaries.
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May 18, 2014 11:32
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dilbertschalter posted:It's not going to Santorum or even a Santorum type. The evangelical block simply isn't a large enough percentage of the Republican Party for such a candidate to get through primaries. Only because successful candidates learn to co-opt enough of that bloc.
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May 18, 2014 14:55
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dilbertschalter posted:It's not going to Santorum or even a Santorum type. The evangelical block simply isn't a large enough percentage of the Republican Party for such a candidate to get through primaries. That's largely because the evangelical block isn't much of a block in the primaries. It's easier to diffuse to less pious candidates when they're all good christian men than when you've got a no good socialist, god hating, communist who is in league with Satan on the ballot. If somehow the other factions were represented by people unpalatable to the evangelicals, their one guy would quickly become a frontrunner. Theoretically we could get a test of the block's power if the candidates with a chance try and get on the right side of the electorate in regards to gay marriage and not treating gay people like abominations.
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De Nomolos posted:Only because successful candidates learn to co-opt enough of that bloc. No, it's because they simply aren't that large a percentage of the party. McCain and Romney didn't succeed in "co-optinf" anything, but it didn't matter, because hardcore evangelicals are maybe a quarter or a fifth of the primary electorate.
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May 18, 2014 15:36
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dilbertschalter posted:No, it's because they simply aren't that large a percentage of the party. McCain and Romney didn't succeed in "co-optinf" anything, but it didn't matter, because hardcore evangelicals are maybe a quarter or a fifth of the primary electorate. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-evangelicals-are-half-of-gop-primary-voters/ How do you think Santorum even had a shot at getting close to Romney? Romney had to talk about "getting rid of Planned Parenthood" and appeared at Liberty. They mattered, and he needed at least some of them.
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Remember that the evangelical primary vote was split between Santorum, Perry, and Bachmann. There was that conference of preachers trying to decide which one to endorse, but they only got a plurality for Perry and weren't able to officially get behind any one candidate. If they'd consolidated their efforts behind Santorum earlier (and had Mitt Romney not had tankers full of cash to dump on any upstart campaign) there might have been a different outcome. Which is all to say: don't underestimate Huckabee's chances of making it at least a competitive primary.
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Lock up the evangelicals and you can easily take Iowa, which Santorum won with basically no campaign.
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May 18, 2014 20:09
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DynamicSloth posted:Lock up the evangelicals
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May 18, 2014 20:12
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The NY Times is saying that Castro the Mayor is set to be asked to be the new HUD Secretary. While Castro has been saying he won't leave SATX until his term as mayor is up, he hasn't given a comment about this new rumor. I hope this means they're grooming him to be Hillary's VP and then the next President, cause that would be a nice 123 of first black, first female then first Hispanic presidents.
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The Evangelical vote really only comes to bear during the general election, as with many other conservative 'blocks', once the important quality of 'hold-your-nose-ability' is assessed. The fun is watching them tear themselves apart during the primary.
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May 18, 2014 21:29
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duz posted:The NY Times is saying that Castro the Mayor is set to be asked to be the new HUD Secretary. While Castro has been saying he won't leave SATX until his term as mayor is up, he hasn't given a comment about this new rumor. I hope this means they're grooming him to be Hillary's VP and then the next President, cause that would be a nice 123 of first black, first female then first Hispanic presidents. I'm not sure if HUD secretary is really a stepping stone to vice-presidency.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I'm not sure if HUD secretary is really a stepping stone to vice-presidency. Most of what you need for VP is "appeals to a semi-contentious group" and he's got that, it's just that only being a Mayor is typically not a stepping stone either.
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May 18, 2014 22:08
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I'm not sure if HUD secretary is really a stepping stone to vice-presidency. The idea of pre-requisites/qualifications for P/VP is absurd. What could possibly prepare one adequately? The only people legitimately qualified for POTUS are probably the G8 heads of state.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I'm not sure if HUD secretary is really a stepping stone to vice-presidency. It's national executive experience that he's qualified for-- most big city mayors would. Plus running a mayor is a hard sell, even for a big city like San Antonio. A Secretary would be easier.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I'm not sure if HUD secretary is really a stepping stone to vice-presidency. Almost was for Jack Kemp. Kemp obviously had a long Congressional career prior to that. And, if anything, his experience at HUD hurt the ticket because he decided that the Dole/Kemp campaign had to let people know about its plans for urban renewal, so he led campaign events in big cities, speeches in Brooklyn. Shockingly, the Dole/Kemp ticket did not carry New York. Joementum fucked around with this message at 22:29 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 22:26
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The '96 campaign is kind of a blind spot to me. What was their urban renewal plan?
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There is such a small sample size that it's kinda silly to worry about whether or not a certain position is a stepping stone.
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We've had a couple of Generals, as well, at least one of whom I would describe as 'The Best President'. Many people thought P-trae would run, and I would say he's still young enough. But he's staying out of the spotlight for now.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:We've had a couple of Generals, as well, at least one of whom I would describe as 'The Best President'. Many people thought P-trae would run, and I would say he's still young enough. But he's staying out of the spotlight for now. Not a big one for keeping up with the news, eh?
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Berke Negri posted:The '96 campaign is kind of a blind spot to me. What was their urban renewal plan? Pretty much the scene in They Live where they bulldoze the shanty town. Zwabu posted:Not a big one for keeping up with the news, eh? McCain and Gingrich both had much more nefarious histories with prior wives and they were considered for the Presidency, I wouldn't put it past Patraeus to run. He wouldn't win, of course. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 23:07 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 23:05
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Berke Negri posted:The '96 campaign is kind of a blind spot to me. What was their urban renewal plan? Tenant ownership of public housing, school vouchers, tax-free business zones, and elimination of the capital gains tax were the major points.
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Joementum posted:Tenant ownership of public housing, school vouchers, tax-free business zones, and elimination of the capital gains tax were the major points. Boy, that sounds like a great plan to gently caress the poor.
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Teddybear posted:Boy, that sounds like a great plan to gently caress the poor. It should be mentioned that Kemp was Paul Ryan's political mentor.
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And you thought the 2008 platform was bad, but at least Dole got stomped.Joementum posted:It should be mentioned that Kemp was Paul Ryan's political mentor. 
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Joementum posted:It should be mentioned that Kemp was Paul Ryan's political mentor. It all started when Kemp, a humble woodcarver, was strolling through the woods one day and cut into a magic tree with his axe.
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Sir Tonk posted:I wouldn't put it past Patraeus to run. There has never been anything resembling even the slightest piece of evidence that Petraeus has any interest in politics at all. I don't know where this mass hallucination came from, but apparently it's going to persist until he dies.
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mdemone posted:There has never been anything resembling even the slightest piece of evidence that Petraeus has any interest in politics at all. I don't know where this mass hallucination came from, but apparently it's going to persist until he dies. Probably his intense narcissism.
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You can easily tell whether or not the U.S. "won" a war if the General in charge becomes President shortly thereafter (with the debatable exception of World War I).
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mdemone posted:There has never been anything resembling even the slightest piece of evidence that Petraeus has any interest in politics at all. I don't know where this mass hallucination came from, but apparently it's going to persist until he dies. Except from Petraeus himself kind of hinting at it? He's been embarrassed on the public stage enough by this point that he's definitely not appearing anytime soon though.
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May 19, 2014 00:08
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DynamicSloth posted:Lock up the evangelicals and you can easily take Iowa, which Santorum won with basically no campaign. Um, I think you are forgetting who ACTUALLY won once delegates were elected! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Iowa,_2012#Republican_caucuses
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People other than Petraeus have wanted him to run. Rupert Murdoch, I wanna say. I don't recall him ever saying he wanted the job, but his visibility with the surge and his experience in dealing with the public made him the most logical choice out of any of the military types, outside of Colin Powell, who was also ruined politically.
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DynamicSloth posted:You can easily tell whether or not the U.S. "won" a war if the General in charge becomes President shortly thereafter (with the debatable exception of World War I). They don't even have to do a good job of it. Eisenhower got thousands killed by spreading his forces too thin and allowing the Battle of the Bulge to occur. He even made a similar mistake earlier in north Africa.
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baw posted:They don't even have to do a good job of it. Eisenhower got thousands killed by spreading his forces too thin and allowing the Battle of the Bulge to occur. He even made a similar mistake earlier in north Africa. Yeah but highways and school lunches are pretty cool. Also, the most haunting farewell address of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY Also I said best president, not best general.
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Considering that war, nitpicking about general decisions by Eisenhower seems silly as he was still probably (low bar) one of the best post-war presidents.
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Berke Negri posted:Considering that war, nitpicking about general decisions by Eisenhower seems silly as he was still probably (low bar) one of the best post-war presidents. The Era that came after him was a pretty lovely time to be a president - The next president to serve both terms (for the full eight years) was Ronald Reagan.
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Democrazy posted:Yeah they're trying to make their own NGP-VAN, which is the Democratic fundraising and field management software respectively. What's really hilarious is that NGP-VAN is also a private company, but somehow the GOP free market jamboree effort to copy their success is leading to a giant multi-program clusterfuck as opposed to the smooth party-company cooperation that has happened with the Democrats. They want to hold each other ransom.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:The Era that came after him was a pretty lovely time to be a president - The next president to serve both terms (for the full eight years) was Ronald Reagan. There would have been at most 2 presidents who could've had two terms between him and Reagan and one of those had 5-ish years.
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