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After all these years, how is DC still falling into these "make the absolute worst decision they could possibly make in a given situation" traps? I'll be following de Liz anywhere, but it's just absurd that she's getting kicked off a series that was perfect for her, for the character, and for the company.
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Honestly if DC has any good sense, they'll offer her the Wonder Woman job once Rucka leaves instead of the rumors of Cho getting it. Only then could I understand them cancelling her book out of nowhere, while she was in the middle of working on it for months now.
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Mark Waid reportedly doing an Archie/Batman crossover. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/16/batman-66-meets-archie-betty-and-veronica-and-harley/ lotus circle posted:Honestly if DC has any good sense, they'll offer her the Wonder Woman job once Rucka leaves instead of the rumors of Cho getting it. Margaret Bennett's also owed a run. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Dec 16, 2016 23:10
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The Cho "rumors" are nonsense started by Cho and no one else please stop pretending that's even a real fake thing
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Not saying it's right, but I could definitely see higher-ups getting sick enough of de Liz and her partner/collaborator openly dumping on seemingly all other WW projects (justified or not.) Probably not the choice of any actual editors working with them. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Dec 16, 2016 23:26
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Teenage Fansub posted:Mark Waid reportedly doing an Archie/Batman crossover. People are still waiting for the Jughead/Wolverine crossover and they give us this? Madness!
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Teenage Fansub posted:Margaret Bennett's also owed a run. No thanks. I've yet to really love anything she's done.
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But y'know what would've happened if DC just ignored the couple's complaints? Nothing at all. No one would've cared. I'm guessing around 2% of their readers, and that's a very generous estimate, even knew anything about the tweets at all. At absolute worst, Dillon comes across as just another disgruntled artist grumbling to the wind. Y'know what's gonna happen now that they've made a big public show of firing the couple while they were working on a well-selling, well-regarded series? Everyone's going to point a giant magnifying glass on each and every little tweet in exact precise detail, lighting them up and picking sides and picking nits and blowing the situation up ten times more than it would've been, and every single conclusion -- warranted or not -- is going to paint DC as the unscrupulous company who still, after years and years, can't treat their talent properly. Meanwhile, Grievoux's new book is just going to have negative publicity attached to it for its whole run and unfairly juxtaposed with de Liz's already critically-acclaimed series. No one wins here. Like I'm still flabbergasted that DC managed to find and take the one path where there is absolutely no up-side.
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X-O posted:No thanks. I've yet to really love anything she's done. I refuse to believe 2017 Batwoman wont be the best thing in the world.
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Dec 16, 2016 23:49
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BrianWilly posted:But y'know what would've happened if DC just ignored the couple's complaints? Nothing at all. No one would've cared. I'm guessing around 2% of their readers, and that's a very generous estimate, even knew anything about the tweets at all. At absolute worst, Dillon comes across as just another disgruntled artist grumbling to the wind. Never underestimate the pettiness of DC management. Teenage Fansub posted:I refuse to believe 2017 Batwoman wont be the best thing in the world. I'll really need to be convinced. She's a writer I've wanted to like because she's been on a few books I really wanted to like, but unfortunately they've all been forgettable and middling.
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Looks like IDW and Marvel have both reached out in some way to Renae and Ray. https://twitter.com/RayDillon/status/809846352591093761
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Dec 17, 2016 00:17
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Right now I could really go for an altu legend of captain marvel, get on it guys
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Dec 17, 2016 00:19
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site posted:Right now I could really go for an altu legend of captain marvel, get on it guys I wouldn't wish that on any creator I liked for a while . Bendis' character assassination needs to wear off a little. e: We're talking about them at Marvel, right? I forgot about Shazam's real name for a second. Agreed on Shazam anyway. It's criminal that he hasn't had a series this whole time. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Actually, they might be good on a Captain America project. Gives them a head start as they're used to drawing WW2 period stuff, and it would fit some of the tone. Or maybe a Golden Age Miss America? IDW may just be offering to publish an original project, because I'm not sure if they'd fit into the Hasbroverse stuff. Actually, I would've figured Boom would've been first at the door after the publicity, as de Liz's style is right in their wheel house
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Dec 17, 2016 01:07
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BOOM apparently pays pennies to creators though. Anyway good for the couple. DC is going to regret such a boneheaded move. Not even touching upon employer relations, firing someone right before the holidays is never a good PR move.
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I'm betting that DC management probably thought firing a newly pregnant woman just doesn't deliver the same message if you wait until after the holidays. Gotta make sure you send the strongest message possible so other creators don't get mouthy you know.
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I mean is it true she was publicly bad-mouthing the work of colleagues on social media? That would certainly be, if not a firable offense, an hr intervention in my job.
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greatn posted:I mean is it true she was publicly bad-mouthing the work of colleagues on social media? That would certainly be, if not a firable offense, an hr intervention in my job. That might be remotely a valid answer if we didn't have plenty of other creators say far worse on social media without so much as a slap on the wrist. A reminder that we've had creators go on literal racist tirades, sexually abuse others, and actively attack people and companies loudly over social media without anything happening.
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greatn posted:I mean is it true she was publicly bad-mouthing the work of colleagues on social media? That would certainly be, if not a firable offense, an hr intervention in my job. But in actual answer to your question. Yes. And it is abundantly clear that this is a political move from DC. Especially as more things come to light. I doubt this is what she was expecting.
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ImpAtom posted:That might be remotely a valid answer if we didn't have plenty of other creators say far worse on social media without so much as a slap on the wrist. They should all be fired probably.
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ImpAtom posted:That might be remotely a valid answer if we didn't have plenty of other creators say far worse on social media without so much as a slap on the wrist. Peter David literally went on a racist tirade about Roma at a panel. Nothing happened.
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Dec 17, 2016 06:07
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/16/the-mary-sue-article-that-killed-wonder-woman/ sounds like Dillion being a giant crybaby was the problem.
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fadam posted:http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/16/the-mary-sue-article-that-killed-wonder-woman/ sounds like Dillion being a giant crybaby was the problem. Yeah from the looks of it Dillon basically hosed everything up.
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So Mark Waid is writing the Archie-published crossover book and not actually directly working for DC again.
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We all know he'd write a Superman book if he was offered. DC is the ex wife he still has feelings for.
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Open Marriage Night posted:We all know he'd write a Superman book if he was offered. DC is the ex wife he still has feelings for. True. He'd be fired/walk off by the third issue though.
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You know I feel bad for Renae for basically getting hosed over by her artists poo poo But don't ever say poo poo like this to someone.
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...Who is that? What does she have to do with any of this?
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BrianWilly posted:...Who is that? What does she have to do with any of this? ray sonne is the artist my dude
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Blockhouse posted:ray sonne is the artist my dude
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wat no ray dillion is the artist onmi got confused and then also confused me
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Blockhouse posted:wat No no I was referring to fan responses, I realize fans can get passionate about things, but, that's incredibly disrespectful to artists/writers is what I'm saying. Dillons tweets and such are in the bleeding cool article or, mostly, deleted
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BrianWilly posted:...Who is that? What does she have to do with any of this? To make it clearer, Kevin is the writer of the Amazons origin comic that we're getting. Because of recent events, people are seeing Tweets of De Liz being disappointed that this got the greenlight over her own Amazons comic pitch and now he's apparently getting attacked. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Then I'm the only person who got confused! I'm the idiot! Me! Meeee!
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Blockhouse posted:Then I'm the only person who got confused! DC is still the idiot in all this
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fadam posted:http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/16/the-mary-sue-article-that-killed-wonder-woman/ sounds like Dillion being a giant crybaby was the problem. Like, on the one hand, he's being critical, and I get that in theory you should play ball and not say anything if you can't say anything nice (which I feel is absurd and kills any credibility when they DO praise stuff, but hey), but that all looks like fairly reasonable criticism. The way you're talking it's like he was cussing them out when he basically said "huh, this is similar to an idea we pitched, that's interesting" and had a lot of the same issues with WW: Earth 1 that others, including me, had (ie: Morrison's inability to realise that characters and properties can evolve past the original conception). Though I almost think they might've tried to sack HIM and had the bizarre notion that she would stay on. "Hey, sorry we sacked your hubby, but would you carry on? We've got a great collaborator for you, Korean guy, maybe you know him, Frank Ch-" "gently caress YOU" Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Nothing Ray Dillon said there was worthy of a spite cancellation, which is what this was. Also he wasn't the artist on the book, Renae drew it. He did the colors and the letters.
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I'm going off memory so that's possible. I know she drew it and he did the colors though because I remember thinking how well the color complimented the art and making a note of who did what.
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