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vorebane posted:I guess I was interpreting the leave a crippled enemy goal to be capturing them, but I see how it could also be for just leaving them on the ice. "Crippled" in this case means disarmed but still mobile, aka the "we can't even be bothered to finish you off" humiliation. That one's pretty challenging.
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PoptartsNinja posted:It's in a hole, you can't charge across elevation changes. Are you sure about this? Megamek allows charging over elevation changes and a quick scroll through the rules doesn't show anything contradicting it. All you need is a straight path to the target, no turns allowed.
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Why would you want to charge into a hole?
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Artificer posted:Why would you want to charge into a hole? To elbow drop some fool from the edge.
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Gwaihir posted:I don't think Battle Armor suffer from the traditional infantry drawbacks you're describing- A mech attacking a BA unit just hits a random trooper which takes normal weapon damage. BA don't suffer from burst fire damage dealt by stuff like small pulse lasers or machine guns like conventional infantry do. The only BA in extra danger from cluster rounds are the VTOL Sylphs, but none of the players brought them. Burst fire (and other) weapons have specific tables for use against conventional infantry, where they do substantially more damage, which is what you're talking about, but Area of Effect weapons still apply their damage to every trooper in a battle armor unit, which is quite dangerous when you consider that an LB 10X can do 10 damage to each BA in the unit, sans modifiers. Admittedly, the big caveat is that I can't remember if all pulse lasers are area of effect, or just the small ones: even if the bigger ones aren't though, the large pulse lasers are still quite dangerous due to their increased hit chance. thetruegentleman fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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Nah, area of effect weapons are like, Long Tom artillery, the bombs from the Kirghizes, or the bomb packs the Sylphs use. LBX10s aren't area of effect weapons though. Neither are pulses. (I think the exception is Flamers/Plasma/Infernos, but I'll have to check TW).
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Gwaihir posted:Nah, area of effect weapons are like, Long Tom artillery, the bombs from the Kirghizes, or the bomb packs the Sylphs use. LBX10s aren't area of effect weapons though. Neither are pulses. Ah, I see: the auto cannons distribute their damage, but the flamers, machine guns, and small pulses don't. That's not
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Gwaihir posted:I don't think Battle Armor suffer from the traditional infantry drawbacks you're describing- A mech attacking a BA unit just hits a random trooper which takes normal weapon damage. BA don't suffer from burst fire damage dealt by stuff like small pulse lasers or machine guns like conventional infantry do. The only BA in extra danger from cluster rounds are the VTOL Sylphs, but none of the players brought them. This is correct. BA doesn't suffer extra damage for being out in the open, and damage is assigned to a random trooper instead of 'Kill X people' like with Infantry. BA does have to worry about getting roasted to death or drowning (except those with Fire-resistant armor or the ability to submerge respectively), but other than that, they're actually pretty god drat tanky, even when compared to your average 'Mech. Having to deal 55 damage for a standard Elemental point to completely kill it is no easy feat for some lighter machines, and they can absorb even more damage when you factor in that your 10+ damage PPC shot might hit a trooper with only 2 armor left instead of that mofo who's still sitting at full health right next to him. There's a reason why the IS tried to build dedicated anti-BA Battlemechs in the 3050s and 60s. You get ambushed by those suckers, and its like trying to kill cockroaches. Except the cockroaches have guns.
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Very off-topic, but look! We've taken yet another tiny step towards realizing actual fusion power: http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13493
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The Timber Wolf is planning on moving to Hex 1442 and firing 2 HMLs and 2 LRMs at the Gargoyle D, or 2 LRMs and 1 ER Large at Nova Cat D: that should bring the heat back down with the help of the cold. I'm also considering an Elemental drop to 2428, but I'm not sure if they can fire into the Ravine from there, since -7/-8 seems severe enough to block LOS. My thinking is that an enemy mech might break off to stop them from plinking away with the Gauss Rifle, which might give someone else a chance to drop on the mech. Otherwise, I'll probably wait a turn for the Wolf Spider Prime to run into the trees, and then either try to land Elementals on it to swarm it, or drop near it in the hopes of getting lucky against the head.
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Rorahusky posted:This is correct. BA doesn't suffer extra damage for being out in the open, and damage is assigned to a random trooper instead of 'Kill X people' like with Infantry. BA does have to worry about getting roasted to death or drowning (except those with Fire-resistant armor or the ability to submerge respectively), but other than that, they're actually pretty god drat tanky, even when compared to your average 'Mech. Having to deal 55 damage for a standard Elemental point to completely kill it is no easy feat for some lighter machines, and they can absorb even more damage when you factor in that your 10+ damage PPC shot might hit a trooper with only 2 armor left instead of that mofo who's still sitting at full health right next to him. I apply a rough 50% hitpoint bonus to battle armor. The bleedover is almost at least 4 points (36.5%) and often 5 to 9. It's probably a bit below 50% as SRMs and MGs do pull it down a lot, but they also spread things out too much, better to bleed over 4 points with a 15-point weapon and destroy 20% of their combat capacity than to get max use out of one's weapons, unless one can guarantee a full unit kill. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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A player requested an extension so we're paused 'till Wednesday. I'll find some other way to keep you guys entertained in the mean-time.
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I sent orders to advance to 1005 and shoot the ice ferret with everything, but this is seeming more and more foolhardy as time goes on. I could use advice, thread.
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Hm, you could MASC to 0811 which gives you a very good defensive mod (+3 from hexes moved, +1 partial cover) and unload on the Wolf Spider (7s if you use ER ammo, 9 for HE). 1005 gives you good hits on the Ice Ferret (7s with missiles, 5 with pulses) and you're at least at medium range from everything else BUT the Ice Ferret, so the shots against you aren't super bad, but it's still generally a little more dangerous to you. You're really a great area denial mech with that HE ammo though, so it pays a bit to be aggressive with your positioning. No one wants to be within 6 hexes of you at all, because those ATMs pump out an outrageous amount of damage.
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Centurium posted:I sent orders to advance to 1005 and shoot the ice ferret with everything, but this is seeming more and more foolhardy as time goes on. I could use advice, thread. You could fire at the Wolf Spider as the primary target at short range if you move to 9 hexes or closer (more distance seems good though) and use one or both pulses on the Ice Ferret as a secondary target (or the Wolf Spider too, if you move to 8 hexes). The Wolf Spider at +2 (+1 move and +1 partial cover), the Ice Ferret is at +4. I haven't checked 0809 for incoming fire, but you'd be at +2 movement to-hit and +2 against incoming fire. You'd need 7s to hit the Wolf Spider with anything, but leg hits are lost. Comparatively from the same spot the Ice Ferret (I think you can get both arms on it by twisting 0910) can be hit on 9s and 7s, including leg hits. If you split the fire it'd be 7s on the Wolf Spider and 8s for the Ice Ferret, but come to think of it I'd just pour everything on the Wolf Spider... maybe drop a shot for the two heat.
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Centurium posted:I could use advice, thread. You're the last `Mech in your Star for a reason, and it's not because you're bad at playing clean-up. Don't be the only `Mech shooting at a target, pick something everyone else is trying to open up and then fill all the holes with missiles. Edit: Try to leave the faster targets to `Mechs with to-hit bonuses like the Ebon Jaguar if you can.
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PoptartsNinja posted:You're the last `Mech in your Star for a reason, and it's not because you're bad at playing clean-up. Don't be the only `Mech shooting at a target, pick something everyone else is trying to open up and then fill all the holes with missiles. That said, I'm (Ebon Jaguar) lighting up the Summoner this turn. So it might be an idea to try and fill the holes I make with your missiles. Assuming I make any 
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Tonight's entertainment is an SWTOR update. I was enjoying my freedom from that LP perhaps a bit too much.
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Bloody Pom posted:That said, I'm (Ebon Jaguar) lighting up the Summoner this turn. So it might be an idea to try and fill the holes I make with your missiles. Assuming I make any You'd need luck to penetrate on the summoner. Right now the sheet reads: Night Gyr is shooting all at the ferret Ebon Jaguar is shooting the summoner Gargoyle is shooting the wolf spider with 2 ppcs. The big question is what the executioner intends to do. The night gyr + me (all shooting he) has a decent chance of eliminating the ferret. On the other hand, adding my shots has a decent chance of seriously damaging either the wolf spider or the summoner. With the executioner, a kill would not be outrageous. I think he makes sense, we still need to burn a lot of armour. Does 0811 have los to the wolf spider?
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Centurium posted:You'd need luck to penetrate on the summoner. Yes 0811 has LOS on the Wolf Spider D
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I've decided, perhaps foolishly, that I like my original orders.
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Well, someone does have to deal with that awful speed sooner or later. It's stressful to know most shots are going to miss (+4 mediums were bad enough, must be frustrating to hunt the teleporting +5 Screamer) but they have to go down.
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RA Rx posted:Well, someone does have to deal with that awful speed sooner or later. It's stressful to know most shots are going to miss (+4 mediums were bad enough, must be frustrating to hunt the teleporting +5 Screamer) but they have to go down. Imagining what the Screamer must look like is hilarious to me because you've got your lumbering assaults and heavies, some semi-quick mediums, some fast lights all moving around, and then there's just this dude going "aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, touching down, firing, and then zipping off to a point like half a kilometer away
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Due to circumstances out of her control, Neopie was unable to send in orders and requested an alternate be called up to take over the Executioner. Unfortunately, due to those same circumstances, she wasn't able to let me know until about 11:00 PM last night which isn't enough time (I feel) to arrange for an alternate and send orders in the usual way. I have a doctor's appointment this morning that will take an hour or so, so the first Alternate who sends orders for the Executioner gets control of it. If this doesn't happen by the time the update starts I'll do something to avoid punishing the players for not having their full compliment in the fight.
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Assuming none of the other alternates got orders in first, the Executioner will be moving to 1107, shooting the Ice Ferret and kicking the damned thing. If I'm right, shots should be at 8, kicking at 7 or 8. Lower if the Ice Ferret takes enough damage to drop it prone before the physical phase. The summoner at 1412 is the alternate target, just in case someone blasts the Ice Ferret first.
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Don't forget that the kicks will (probably?) be eating penalties due to the pilots being Clanners, and thus melee averse.
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Gwaihir posted:Shouldn't matter with a pilot as good as the Nova Captain is. I wasn't discouraging the kicks, I'm just reminding people of the Clan pilot melee penalty when they're calculating rolls as we haven't seen it (on the player side) in awhile.
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It'll be 3 piloting, +2 running, +4 enemy movement and possibly a +1 for clan pilot. There's also the bonus for kicking, iirc -2. Which totals to a pretty respectable 8+ and the check to avoid falling over is 3+ if I'm not mistaken. As a bonus there is enough fire on the Ice Ferret that there's a chance it'll fall over before the physical phase.
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Remmon posted:Assuming none of the other alternates got orders in first, the Executioner will be moving to 1107, shooting the Ice Ferret and kicking the damned thing. If I'm right, shots should be at 8, kicking at 7 or 8. Lower if the Ice Ferret takes enough damage to drop it prone before the physical phase. The summoner at 1412 is the alternate target, just in case someone blasts the Ice Ferret first. Don't forget to PM or email the orders; posting in the thread may not count.
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thetruegentleman posted:Don't forget to PM or email the orders; posting in the thread may not count. I did that before I went posting in the thread for precisely that reason.
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Zaodai posted:I wasn't discouraging the kicks, I'm just reminding people of the Clan pilot melee penalty when they're calculating rolls as we haven't seen it (on the player side) in awhile. I don't think it should really apply here. We are fighting bandits after all 
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Bloody Pom posted:I don't think it should really apply here. We are fighting bandits after all The penalty isn't for targeting Clan enemies, it's because the Clans get ~*triggered*~ when trying to melee because it's not proper fighting like a ponce, so they suck at it compared to IS pilots. Except for the Steel Vipers, I guess, since they got a Steiner Rules injection.
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Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what the Crossbow's designed to do.  Well, that's one way to clear PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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 Always ready to see what happens next but this setting really stands out for some reason. I think because of that old MW2 lore entry about an ice fight.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Well, that's one way to clear This should be good. 
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