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If you're in this thread complaining that the horror of Nazi New York City isn't in your face think about this - you see no Black people in Nazi NYC. 1960 NYC had a population of 7.7 million, with just over 1 million Black people. Also, the Nazis subjugated Africa, which had a population of about 280 million in 1960. There's your horror. Nazis are bad.
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Yeah I said something along these lines and got a  response.
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Dec 28, 2016 21:57
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Yeah I said something along these lines and got a You wrote: CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:I was thinking about the American Reich on this show, and it occurs to me that seeing nothing but white people around kind of makes me nervous. (I live in Chicago.) I'm a straight white cis male, but I like to think I'm an empathic person. Nazi Life on this show makes me very nervous, and I think that is the intended result. Observing something and giving a mental "oh yeah" nod is one thing. A TV show's portrayal of the third reich making you "very nervous" is absolutely handwringingly .
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Dec 28, 2016 23:01
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Being freaked out by a sudden lack of diversity is a thing. The first three months or so after I moved from Philly to South Dakota I would feel 'wrong' in local crowds. It happens less frequently now but I am still quietly  whenever I see non-white folk around town.
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Dec 29, 2016 03:34
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Fog Tripper posted:You wrote: Person living in a white enclave spotted.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Being freaked out by a sudden lack of diversity is a thing. The first three months or so after I moved from Philly to South Dakota I would feel 'wrong' in local crowds. It happens less frequently now but I am still quietly I think this just reveals how insecure you are? Shbobdb posted:Person living in a white enclave spotted. 
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Dec 29, 2016 04:24
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A Deacon posted:I think this just reveals how insecure you are? Maybe? I dunno. Do you feel insecure around good posters?
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Dec 29, 2016 04:58
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It's always nice to see someone's red text validated.
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Dec 29, 2016 05:06
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Maybe? I dunno. Do you feel insecure around good posters? Are you implying that you're a good poster? Shbobdb posted:It's always nice to see someone's red text validated. I got this for saying that overthrowing Assad is probably a bad idea in the longterm, given the recent historical examples of Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine as a pretext. It's weird how progressives in D&D suddenly have paranoid neocon tendencies now. Your red text is pretty fitting, though. 
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Dec 29, 2016 05:10
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A Deacon posted:I got this for saying that overthrowing Assad is probably a bad idea in the longterm, given the recent historical examples of Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine as a pretext. It's weird how progressives in D&D suddenly have paranoid neocon tendencies now. Your red text is pretty fitting, though. White suburbanite supporting the genocidal status quo: film at 11.
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Dec 29, 2016 05:28
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Shbobdb posted:White suburbanite supporting the genocidal status quo: film at 11. I didn't vote for Hillary.
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Dec 29, 2016 05:31
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A Deacon posted:I didn't vote for Hillary. What have you done that is of worth?
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Dec 29, 2016 05:37
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Shbobdb posted:What have you done that is of worth? I've done many worthy things. This is off-topic, though.
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A Deacon posted:I've done many worthy things. This is off-topic, though. It's entirely on topic. I accuse you of being a useless eater.
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Dec 29, 2016 06:42
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A Deacon posted:Are you implying that you're a good poster? On topic: Did I see Smith's map correctly that Second Rome isn't a thing in show cannon?
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Dec 29, 2016 08:01
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:There is an implication, but that isn't it. I'm sure the Reich views Nova Roma as part of the Reich.
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Dec 29, 2016 08:08
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“Useless eater” is a strange term for the Nazis to still be using by the ’60s. Is Reich territory still suffering from famine? Why not frame euthanasia in “gentler” terms?
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Platystemon posted:“Useless eater” is a strange term for the Nazis to still be using by the ’60s. Because it is a socially acceptable thing so they don't have to frame it in "gentler" terms? "Those are just the ashes from the retard crematorium. Whatever. I don't even remember why we bothered fighting the Nazis."
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Fog Tripper posted:You wrote: Okay, doubleplus ungood, got it. Shbobdb posted:Because it is a socially acceptable thing so they don't have to frame it in "gentler" terms? No, I think we need to be super blunt and not understate anything because
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Platystemon posted:“Useless eater” is a strange term for the Nazis to still be using by the ’60s. It's as dumb as welfare queen tbh
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:On topic: Did I see Smith's map correctly that Second Rome isn't a thing in show cannon? The maps are Dumb and it's best not to dwell on them.
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Dec 29, 2016 14:24
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Turtledove's constant: The maps are least terrible thing in precisely 63% of speculative historical fiction.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:There is an implication, but that isn't it. I wish Obergruppenführer Smith would gas your posting.
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Shbobdb posted:Person living in a white enclave spotted. I lived in Pittsburgh for 30 odd years.  Are white people in large numbers scary? (Because I now live in Utah so need to know if I should be "very nervous" or not) Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Being freaked out by a sudden lack of diversity is a thing. The first three months or so after I moved from Philly to South Dakota I would feel 'wrong' in local crowds. It happens less frequently now but I am still quietly Maybe I am just not all that hung up on race. edit:
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Dec 29, 2016 23:08
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Platystemon posted:“Useless eater” is a strange term for the Nazis to still be using by the ’60s. In that time period in our history, we were rightfully worried about mass global starvation. Lots of 1960s scifi novels at the time deal with food shortages, because that's what was going on. Luckily we had a breakthrough in farming technology and we ended up fine. In the show's timeline, I would assume instead of solving the issue with farming, they solved it by removing the hungry people.
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I think the 'point' of the Nazi utopia is to show that, even if the Nazis get their perfect lebensraum it fundamentally doesn't 'work'. Yes you have the picket fence 'burbs and all the shiny happy people, but at what cost? You have to kill your kid as soon as they get sick? leave your wife as soon as she can't bare you children? Its a utopia based on lies and deceit. Everybody is constantly lying to one another. Ultimately, it is possible to have the perfect society, but only at a terrible cost, which is fundamentally unsustainable. Is it reasonable to suppose that people will pick the welfare of the state over the welfare of their children? Some certainly will tow the party line and pick the state over their kids, but a significant number won't, and sooner or later, the utopia dies. Even as the most hardened Nazi, Smith is still a dad, and picks being a loving father over his duty to the fatherland. I think the show is fantastic because it demonstrates the real weaknesses of a totalitarian regime. Such a regime cannot account for innate human love and compassion, and will ultimately be strained by these forces. Or an alternate, more cynical evaluation: After a generation, the Nazi leadership consists of a group of euro trash nihilists who are 180 degree reactionaries to your ideology. Ives fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Jan 1, 2017 |
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I just discovered this show and can't believe how good it is. Oh cool there's a pretty big thread about it, can't wait to read it and....
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:I just discovered this show and can't believe how good it is. Oh cool there's a pretty big thread about it, can't wait to read it and.... You should know by now that big threads on TVIV are bad news. Small threads are the ones to be excited about.
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Just watched the finale. Nice to know that Darwin is the only Australian city worthy of obliteration by the Nazis, and not the actual economic and political centres like Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra.
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Octy posted:Just watched the finale. Nice to know that
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Octy posted:Just watched the finale. Nice to know that Darwin is the only Australian city worthy of obliteration by the Nazis, and not the actual economic and political centres like Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra. As if they’d be economic and political centers in the Greater East Asia Co‐prosperity Sphere.
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^^^ Darwin was bombed more than Pearl Harbour was in WW2. You could assume in this timeline it became the major port for the continent as it was closer to Japan. Or it housed a large military installation/port (like ww2) for control of the region.
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Just got renewed for season three. Now hopefully they can resolve whether Nazis are bad or not.
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I just watched all of this show. It was pretty neat.Bulky Bartokomous posted:I just discovered this show and can't believe how good it is. Oh cool there's a pretty big thread about it, can't wait to read it and.... I have to assume the presence of Nazis factors into this issue. zoux posted:Just got renewed for season three. Now hopefully they can resolve whether Nazis are bad or not. Great, maybe Juliana Crain will have some character growth this time. Fake Edit: I'm gay for John Smith.
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Lycus posted:You should know by now that big threads on TVIV are bad news. Small threads are the ones to be excited about. In fairness to the size, this thread covers both seasons.
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TV IV: where eighteen pages in over a year is a big thread.
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zoux posted:Just got renewed for season three. Now hopefully they can resolve whether Nazis are bad or not. Man, I don't even know about that, and need this show to tell me, a dumb American, if they are bad for reals.
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I guess it is true that if you don't explicitly tell viewers what things are evil you get a whole bunch of people thinking Walter White is a cool as hell person to be, but to me, the permanent surveillance state, the conversations about racial hygiene and the season long subplot about how you have to murder your children if they get sick made me think that life under the Nazis might have a few negative points, as well.
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zoux posted:Just got renewed for season three. Now hopefully they can resolve whether Nazis are bad or not. It shows how bad Nazis are in every episode. You must have watched a different show. Hopefully, they don't implement a permanent disclaimer across the screen next season reminding us that Nazis are bad due to loud, imbecile man-children such as you.
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The Allies winning was just as bad if you think about it. AmeriKKKa!
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