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WarpedNaba posted:Pretty much. "We broke the yankee scum and brought them to the table like the inferior creatures they are." wouldn't look out of place on the KCNA. But then what? I can't quite believe that for 30 years the North Korean state has devoted every effort to this single goal, with the intended outcome of getting a single photoshoot out of it.
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Charlz Guybon posted:They fight naval battles over that line relatively often. No RoK ship is going to think that. Edit: Let's just say that having periodic fights between surface ships in the area (including one a year prior, but the last major incident a decade prior) when confronting North Korean fishing/spy/smuggling boats in the area does not mean every crew is expecting to be suddenly torpedoed by a hidden submarine. It was a huge escalation over previous encounters. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/972104678484869121?s=21mediadave posted:But then what? I can't quite believe that for 30 years the North Korean state has devoted every effort to this single goal, with the intended outcome of getting a single photoshoot out of it. They want a peace treaty and normalization of relations with the US and SK
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What's the over under on Moon Jae-In getting couped because I can't see the conservative establishment and military in SK being happy at all with what he and Trump are doing? Trump is going to come back and be falling over himself to talk up Kim Jong-Un. They're going to give him a big show, give him a trophy or plaque, and tell him how great he is and he'll eat it up. He might even talk up Juche and how great it is because it's pretty much NK MAGA. Dennis Rodman will be Ambassador to the DPRK by the end of the year too.
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Some Guy TT posted:I did not know that. Thank you for the clarification. I remain skeptical as to North Korea's involvement in the Cheonan Ship for the other reasons listed. The lack of any evidence being made public is another sore point, although I'd rather talk more #MeToo than get into ancient history like this. RocknRollaAyatollah posted:What's the over under on Moon Jae-In getting couped because I can't see the conservative establishment and military in SK being happy at all with what he and Trump are doing?
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This is so crazy. https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/972113772214210560 There are still Americans being held by North Korea... did anybody even think of maybe asking for their release as a precondition for the meeting? Asking for anything at all?
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Why the gently caress would you invite Kim Jong-Un to the United States??? I pray that would be too much for even the GOP.
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Its like Trump heard that Kim wanted to meet him and felt flattered and could not say no
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The russia investigation has gotten too close and trump is fleeing to north korea to defect and the next ten years or so are going to be him releasing a bunch of weird north korean propaganda videos.
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Actually Trump meeting with NK to find an alternative to nuclear war is a good thing
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It's 100% a good thing but someone's going to point out to him that he's getting played and then dunno what he'll do.
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Bip Roberts posted:It's 100% a good thing but someone's going to point out to him that he's getting played and then dunno what he'll do. He's only 'getting played' if you come from the perspective that North Korea must capitulate entirely before we can even hold direct talks with them. Which, I'll give you, is a view that 99% of the US media and its pundits will hold, but let's not buy into their narrative. e: and yes, there is the problem that this could fall apart at any moment because Trump. But maybe some cautious optimism is due after months of the US signaling war
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Is a Trump-Kim meeting going to make war more likely or less likely?
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Have you seen Trump? He's incapable of maintaining good relations with Canada, Australia or the EU, how can this possibly not end in disaster.
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Don't forget South Korea is driving this, not Trump
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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/972073498914025472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F Friendship ended with South Korea. Now Best Korea is my best friend. After all South Korea has treated us very unfairly trade-wise. Not so with Kim!
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Is a Trump-Kim meeting going to make war more likely or less likely? There's two ways I can see this going: 1. Trump gets offended and demonstrates his extreme incompetency at negotiating, resulting in him leaving in a sour mood and wanting to gently caress them up in revenge. 2. Trump is so easily led by the nose that Kim is able to convince him to take a pro-NK position. Mike Pence attempts a coup.
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chitoryu12 posted:There's two ways I can see this going: Isn't #1 at least as likely without a meeting? #2 sounds hilarious.
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Maybe I’m a naive dummy but I’m happy if it at least happens. I don’t give a gently caress about it “legitimizing North Korea” (What the gently caress does this even mean? They’ve been a nation for almost 70 years) as long as it decreases the chance of war.
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Telephones posted:Why the gently caress would you invite Kim Jong-Un to the United States??? I pray that would be too much for even the GOP.
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Called it, nothing's going to come of this.
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This is definitely the “no, actually what the president MEANT to say was...” presidency.
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Best case scenario is that Trump shoots Kim because he thinks it's hilarious and Kim's bodyguards kill Trump.
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What does the line of succession look like in NK anyway? Does KJUs sister get the throne, or is it an all-out knife fight between generals ultimately decided by hat size?
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Eox posted:What does the line of succession look like in NK anyway? Does KJUs sister get the throne, or is it an all-out knife fight between generals ultimately decided by hat size?
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Even if Trump has the time of his life in North Korea, all it would take is three consecutive conversations with pro-nuke "strategists" for Pandora's Box to be opened and dumped directly on the korean peninsula.
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Can't wait for Trump to be live tweeting the meeting.
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Chomskyan posted:Actually Trump meeting with NK to find an alternative to nuclear war is a good thing
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Yeah the only outcome I see is NK as a fully recognized nuclear power and America as a sucker in all future negotiations about anything. That is, unless someone in the WH can convince Trump to forget about it since everyone knows he's worthless already.
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OneEightHundred posted:Pissing away a diplomatic incentive and validating Kim's nuclear program in exactly the way NK has been seeking for decades in exchange for nothing will make a diplomatic resolution harder, it won't make them any more likely to give up their nukes. Doing this will make things worse, not better. How is opening diplomatic talks with North Korea with the stated goal of denuclearization "validating Kim's nuclear program"? Your talking point makes no sense. Also North Korea having nukes is a reality, whether the US 'validates' it or not. And as they further develop their nukes and missile technology their bargaining position only gets stronger. Frankly, NK will never give up its nukes. Nothing will convince them to give them up. Not threats of war, or sanctions, or anything. They see it as essential to deterring a US invasion. The time for getting NK to give up its nukes was in the 90s under the Agreed Framework and the Neocons pissed all over that agreement so here we are. The goal now should be to extract verifiable concessions to limit their nuclear program in exchange for a peace treaty formally ending the Korean War, which is in everyone's interest anyways https://twitter.com/SecDef19/status/972226780915363840 Red and Black fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Chomskyan posted:How is opening diplomatic talks with North Korea with the stated goal of denuclearization "validating Kim's nuclear program"?
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Chomskyan posted:How is opening diplomatic talks with North Korea with the stated goal of denuclearization "validating Kim's nuclear program"? Your talking point makes no sense. Also North Korea having nukes is a reality, whether the US 'validates' it or not. And as they further develop their nukes and missile technology their bargaining position only gets stronger.
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OneEightHundred posted:The whole point of this maneuver to get the Trump-Kim handshake photo so they can splay it everywhere and say "the US respects us as an equal because of our nuclear program." mobby_6kl posted:Because the only denuclearization that will be on the table at this point will involve the US leaving Korea, which, if it works, means that anyone (e.g. Iran) can get their way by just ignoring sanctions and making nukes. Most likely this won't happen though and Kim will just brag about how the Americans crawled begging to him. Also Iran never had a nuclear program so you can retire that canard e: https://twitter.com/TimothyS/status/972269020350242816 Punditry was easier before instant fact check was a thing Red and Black fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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OneEightHundred posted:The whole point of this maneuver to get the Trump-Kim handshake photo so they can splay it everywhere and say "the US respects us as an equal because of our nuclear program." And what difference does that make? The regime isn’t going to fall apart cause of discontent from the populace
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There's nothing to be gained from a Trump-Kim summit. It will not be a diplpmatic victory, because the diplomat is Donald Trump. All it does is diminish America's regional influence. Trump is only going because he is an insane narcissist who thinks he can win by treating Kim like a game show contestant. Telephones fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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mobby_6kl posted:Have you seen Trump? He's incapable of maintaining good relations with Canada, Australia or the EU, how can this possibly not end in disaster. Yeah, but he gets along pretty well with autocrats.
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