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I don't understand why fans for this type of entertainment choose to split the series this way. It's not like you're going to see Pokémon fans referring to everything up to Sun/Moon as "Heisei-era Pokémon" anytime soon.
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Aug 5, 2017 08:45
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Craptacular! posted:I don't understand why fans for this type of entertainment choose to split the series this way. It's not like you're going to see Pokémon fans referring to everything up to Sun/Moon as "Heisei-era Pokémon" anytime soon. Why they used the Emperor's names is beyond me though, but there's definitely three different phases of Kamen Rider as opposed to the natural progression of series like Super Sentai than run every year and have new themes and largely unrelated to the previous seasons.
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Aug 5, 2017 08:51
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Craptacular! posted:I don't understand why fans for this type of entertainment choose to split the series this way. It's not like you're going to see Pokémon fans referring to everything up to Sun/Moon as "Heisei-era Pokémon" anytime soon.
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Aug 5, 2017 08:53
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RealFoxy posted:Why they used the Emperor's names is beyond me though That's kind of what I'm getting at. It seems like the kind of thing that was probably immigrated into the fandom from Godzilla/kaiju movie peoples.
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Aug 5, 2017 09:17
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I mean, Toei has used it. It's right there in the movie's title.
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Aug 5, 2017 09:19
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TFRazorsaw posted:I mean, Toei has used it. It's right there in the movie's title. Well, yes. A lot of Japanese people do, too. I'm just talking about as it relates to toku. Seems my guess was accurate that Godzilla played a big role.
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Aug 5, 2017 09:56
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What episodes should I watch the Ex-Aid movies after, if I do? Are they even worth watching?
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Aug 5, 2017 10:03
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Movie Pacman is entertaining and certainly better than Pixels, watch it before episode 12. Preferably when you start seeing commercials for it in the show.
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Aug 5, 2017 10:13
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Heisei Generations works best after episode 5, given who transforms into what and who is using what. Then the three part Genm special comes immediately after that; and is where they basically strip away the made-for-movie abilities they didn't plan to use going forward, it is worth watching because even though the budget was low they used a few actual game licenses in a funny way. The Snipe Mini isn't completed until after the show ends, but watching the two released parts just before episode 20 will make them seem most relevant since they put a little shading on why Taiga is like he is. Lazer's confidential files mini should be watched after 23. Sentai/KR battle royale isn't out yet. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Aug 5, 2017 10:15
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Craptacular! posted:Well, yes. A lot of Japanese people do, too. I'm just talking about as it relates to toku. Seems my guess was accurate that Godzilla played a big role. Yeah look, when it comes to toku nerd poo poo, chances are high you can trace it back to Godzilla. Even if its things that you wouldn't think would overlap Though! We didn't use Neo Heisei for the Millennium movies. Go us. Burkion fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Aug 5, 2017 14:26
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RealFoxy posted:I'm probably mistaken but it's split up like that because there was a ten year gap between the last Kamen Rider show in 89 (Black RX) and when the show restarted in 2000 (Kuuga) and then after Decade in 2009, Kamen Rider W took a huge style shift into the more modern shows which fans dubbed "Neo-Heisei" There's also the 3 movie exclusive Riders that came out between RX and Kuuga (Shin, ZO, and J). Though they are for some reason counted as Showa Riders despite all of them coming out in the early Heisei period (Black RX is kind of borderline as it started at the very end of the Showa era).
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Aug 5, 2017 15:15
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Larryb posted:There's also the 3 movie exclusive Riders that came out between RX and Kuuga (Shin, ZO, and J). Though they are for some reason counted as Showa Riders despite all of them coming out in the early Heisei period (Black RX is kind of borderline as it started at the very end of the Showa era). When a Kamen Rider fan uses "Showa" and "Heisei", they mean "Ishinomori" and "post-Ishinomori". It's just easier to classify by the emperors, even if it's not completely right.
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Aug 5, 2017 15:42
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Hi Toku goons, what are the good Kamen Rider series? I want to watch some fighting motorbike men.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:06
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Red Bones posted:Hi Toku goons, what are the good Kamen Rider series? I want to watch some fighting motorbike men. What do you like, what is your threshold for 'Old Shows', and do you prefer things to take themselves seriously or just be fun
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Aug 5, 2017 21:08
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Watch Gaim. Gaim is good.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:09
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PMush Perfect posted:They literally number every generation, which is a system that actually has even more granularity. "Since Gen III", "Before Gen IV", "Gens VI+". There's also the fact that Pokemon has only existed during the Heisei period so far, so specifying it as Heisei is worthless. Part of the reason the periods are used to distinguish is that the Showa period ended in 1989, and with the 90s, a lot of changes to how tokusatsu was made, written, and presented came about, even discounting the 10 year gap for Rider and considering Sentai, which ran continuously.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:10
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Re: which KR: Depends on what kind of vintage you're looking for. Of the current lot, people seem to like W, Drive, and Ex-Aid. Of the previous lot, Kuuga was a relaunch of a classic/Ishimori style show, Agito started trends toward what you have now with riders all over the place, and Ryuki seems to get a lot of love for it's characters. The ones after that tend to get varied reactions. What you need to know more is which ones to avoid: Just stay away from Decade and Wizard and you'll be fine.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:13
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Fourze is also fun.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:14
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You can't really go wrong with that whole three year period of W, OOO, and Fourze.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:17
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New stuff: W, OOO, Fourze are easy to get into. Drive is slow to start but pretty fun. Gaim is good but different enough from the others to not be a first watch. Ex-Aid is finishing soon and is good. Old stuff: Not as versed in this but Kuuga is likely the one to start with. Don't know about the rest but don't be in a rush to watch Faiz or Decade. Really old stuff: I dunno, watch the original I guess.
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Aug 5, 2017 21:41
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Thank you for the recommendations everyone. I'll check out W, the detective angle seems fun.Burkion posted:What do you like, what is your threshold for 'Old Shows', and do you prefer things to take themselves seriously or just be fun I'd like something with a likable cast and no/very few boring episodes, or a series that isn't super long, if there are any. I don't really mind what decade it was made. I don't want something 100% serious, and I don't want something where all the characters are so exaggerated/goofy that I can't really empathise with them. I was also curious about what the 'good' shows are more generally because I read some of the thread, and the consensus seems to be that a most of the series have various flaws. Are any series that are generally considered to be good throughout, like consistently well-written, good directing, entertaining, with a strong cast? Something that, as a show, is really well-made, and feels like it achieves everything it set out to do?
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Aug 5, 2017 21:57
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Amazons if you can take heartbreak, poor decision makers, and gore.
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Aug 5, 2017 22:01
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Red Bones posted:Thank you for the recommendations everyone. I'll check out W, the detective angle seems fun. OOOs has a pretty boring lead but an amazing side-cast of characters. They're what makes the story emotional since the main character is basically a blank slate It's because he's suffering from PTSD Fourze's cast are REALLY exaggerated, it's a Japanese cast doing American High School stereotypes other than the two main riders (Who are doing a Japanese Greaser-punk and Chinese Kung-Fu type thing) but the main rider pulls things together. Gaim starts off really goofy, it's a bunch of rival dance "gangs" fighting to control the city. Through dance. Then it gets really dark and people are constantly stabbing each other in the back.
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Aug 5, 2017 22:16
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Craptacular! posted:What you need to know more is which ones to avoid: Just stay away from Decade and Wizard and you'll be fine. Sure thing, Narutaki.
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Aug 5, 2017 22:21
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Red Bones posted:Thank you for the recommendations everyone. I'll check out W, the detective angle seems fun. Honestly give Kuuga a try. It's got some dated effects due to being made in the tail end of 1999 and released in 2000, but it is absolutely perfect at hitting every note it wants to hit. It's not the most FUN show, but it is absolutely one of the best made. Kuuga is very gritty, very down to earth, and very endearing. The main character is not a cool guy, he's a dork who likes to make people smile and keep people happy. The villains are not ridiculous super villains, they're psychopaths and serial killers. The plot is fairly in depth once you start cluing into what the show is about, and it sells its message hard and sticks to it even to the detriment of the show's enjoyability. The only Rider series to be as on point with its core message would be Amazons season 2. If you'd rather something more light hearted and not as heavy, go for W as mentioned. There's also the odd ball choice of Ultraman Nexus, the most Heisei Rider series to ever be made. http://www.crunchyroll.com/ultraman-nexus Just you know, get ready for dark awful tragic things.
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Aug 5, 2017 22:38
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I may very well actually watch an Ultraman series soon. Memories of the old Ultraman Great dub running on an independent station in my youth bubbled up recently.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:07
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Craptacular! posted:I may very well actually watch an Ultraman series soon. Memories of the old Ultraman Great dub running on an independent station in my youth bubbled up recently. Geed has been pretty great so far
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Aug 5, 2017 23:11
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Craptacular! posted:I may very well actually watch an Ultraman series soon. Memories of the old Ultraman Great dub running on an independent station in my youth bubbled up recently. Fun fact! And I know you likely didn't mean dub but you brought up Ultraman Trivia and that is my switch Ultraman Great was not dubbed- it was an Australian Japanese co production, shot in English. Its success is what lead to the failed Ultraman Towards the Future American series, where the fuckwits decided that making good looking monster suits was more important than monster suits that could move, fight, or do anything other than stand around and vaguely waddle. It was a full 13 episode pilot series, some how, made without the guiding hand of Tsuburaya. Beautiful looking suits, shame about how they do less than a vinyl figure. And if you ever want a recommendation for an Ultraman series, just say the word.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:12
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I would say that EX-Aid is near perfect.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:13
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Elfgames posted:I would say that EX-Aid is near perfect. Assuming it doesn't botch it in the last four episodes, but yeah, it's amazing.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:27
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Burkion posted:And if you ever want a recommendation for an Ultraman series, just say the word. I want a recommendation. I enjoyed Nexus a lot despite the rushed finale (I sure wish I could live in a world where it got the episode count it wanted though) so I'm game for more Ultramen. Preferably not something too old. I'm cool with any mood, so long as it has a good cast of characters.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:28
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Blaze Dragon posted:I want a recommendation. I enjoyed Nexus a lot despite the rushed finale (I sure wish I could live in a world where it got the episode count it wanted though) so I'm game for more Ultramen. The first two Zero movies are great and lead into Geed, which might be the best Ultraman show out there if it keeps this up. Mebius is good and I need to watch more. Do not watch Ginga.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:29
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Elfgames posted:I would say that EX-Aid is near perfect. Ex-Aid's relied on a lot of really wacky twists towards the end, which I can imagine some people are gonna bounce right off of. Fortunately I'm a big fan of stupid video game bullshit so I'm on board!
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Aug 5, 2017 23:30
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The Deleter posted:Ex-Aid's relied on a lot of really wacky twists towards the end, which I can imagine some people are gonna bounce right off of. Fortunately I'm a big fan of stupid video game bullshit so I'm on board! wacky twists?
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Aug 5, 2017 23:33
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StrixNebulosa posted:Do not watch Ginga. I loving told you so. Blaze Dragon posted:I want a recommendation. I enjoyed Nexus a lot despite the rushed finale (I sure wish I could live in a world where it got the episode count it wanted though) so I'm game for more Ultramen. If you like more modern Toku, Orb is really good. A lot of its humor is character driven and fantastic, and I can almost tolerate two thirds of the comic relief crew. Mebius is just really goddamn good, the best of the three anniversary series of the time. Those three being Gokaiger, Decade and itself, though Mebius came before all of them. X is an Okay Then series. It exists, it's harmless, it has an EXCELLENT Nexus tribute episode near the end that you should check out. Tiga is super loving slow but has some great low key Lovecraft elements through out, leading to its finale. Dyna isn't subbed by anyone yet. Cosmos is okay if you want something really light weight. Just, total opposite of Nexus. Max is the quintessential ULTRAMAN series, where it's just a light hearted anthology Ultraman show. It's one you can literally pick and choose what you want to watch without worry about any episodes before or after because it barely has continuity what so ever. Do not watch Ginga. http://www.crunchyroll.com/ultraman-gaia/episode-45-the-living-planet-693649 This is the only episode of Gaia you ever need to see. Maybe the episode just before it, but really only this one. Gaia is a heart breaker and I'm glad I'm done with it. Such a cool loving concept wasted. Otherwise go look at my breakdown on why Gaia is a piece of poo poo UltraSeven Evolution (the heisei movies and the 2001-2002 mini series) is super hard to find and most of it isn't subbed, but it's all really good. UltraSeven X only has TvNihon subs, but is otherwise a reflection of the original series in what it tries to do, just in a more modern style. It doesn't have a big epic fight like the original series could pull off from time to time though. Ultra Galaxy is a treat if you like giant monsters fighting. And I believe that is it. Well there's Ultraman Neos. That's a thing. Fun fact, Ultraman Neos and Ultra Galaxy are coming to the Toku channel on Amazon Prime. So that's neat.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:43
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Burkion, sometimes you gotta let someone stick their hand on the hot stove. Also I'm still watching Ginga so I can get to S and meet Victory And boy howdy am I sleeping better. Do not watch Ginga.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:47
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StrixNebulosa posted:Do not watch Ginga. Do not watch Ginga.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:48
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Burkion posted:Do not watch Ginga. should i watch ginga
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NachtSieger posted:should i watch ginga It's better than X. Still not great though.
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