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PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Does anyone have a spare Genestealer head? The one with the tentacles.

I absolutely have some of the Ymgarl heads.

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Kinetica
Aug 16, 2011
Wait what did they do to thousand sons :ohdear:

Two Beans
Nov 27, 2003

dabbin' on em
Pillbug

Kinetica posted:

Wait what did they do to thousand sons :ohdear:

Paternity test. Magnus did something wrong.

Anime_Otaku
Dec 6, 2009
I’m getting Speed Freeks for my Christmas, so the buggies and bikes getting a drop is good news to me.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
Chapter Approved is taking my current batch of Chaos Space Marines and dropping them from ~1642 to under 1500 (exactly 1472, if my math isn't off). Dammit 2k points, I'll catch you eventually. :argh:

That said, I recently noticed that I may be able to hammer what I do have into a Brigade, if I build intelligently to that mark. I need to get ten more CSM, and then fill up three Fast Attack slots. With Warp Talons down to 95 for a min size squad, how good of an idea are they to take for that?

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

I wish there was an ETA on Redemptionists for Necromunda. I want some Missionaries and Preachers for my Sisters army and don't just want a bunch of clones of the two models available now. Redemptionists would be perfect stand ins.

Anime_Otaku
Dec 6, 2009
Can anyone tell me what my list will cost post CA?

Boyz 70 points
+ Boss Nob 14 points
+ Power Klaw 13 points
Nobs 140 points
+ Big Choppa x2 10 points
+ Power Klaw x2 26 points
+ Kill Saw 15 points
+ Kombi Weapon with Skorcha 17 Points
+ Ammo Runt x2 8 points
Painboy 52 points
Deff Dread 55 points
+ 2 Dread Klaws 30 points
+ Big Shoota 5 points
+ Skorcha 17 points
Stormboyz 90 points
Boss Zagstruk 88 points
Gretchin 30 points
Runtherd 35 points
Warboss 65 points
+ Power Klaw 13 points
+ Kombi Weapon with Rokkit Launcha 12 points
Total 805

To build
Da Red Gobbo 30 points
Weirdboy 62 points
Warbikers 138 points
Shokkjump Dragsta 108 points
Kustom Boosta-Blasta 100 points

Total 438

Grand Total 1243

Cainer
May 8, 2008

Cooked Auto posted:

Not to mention Triumph of Saint Katherine is a proper centerpiece model.


I absolutely adore this, it encapsulates all the Sister's themes that drew me to them in the first place but holy hell does it look delicate. The cherubs are gonna snap off, that lance is gonna get caught on things and god help if you drop it.

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Kinetica posted:

Wait what did they do to thousand sons :ohdear:

Nothing...




















YET

Harvey Mantaco
Mar 6, 2007

Someone please help me find my keys =(
Admech is the low key winner I think, so many options of play now.

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


Cooked Auto posted:

Not to mention Triumph of Saint Katherine is a proper centerpiece model.


Every time a new Sisters model gets teased I think "This is the most 40k thing possible" and then I get hit with a new one which is somehow even more 40k.

Anime_Otaku
Dec 6, 2009
When I finally decide it’s time for my second army, if I go for humans Ad Mech is definitely in my top 3 options, the others being Sisters or maybe Iron Hands (I’m disabled so an army of dudes with prosthetic arms appeals to me), but that is waaaaaaay off.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Floppychop posted:

I wish there was an ETA on Redemptionists for Necromunda. I want some Missionaries and Preachers for my Sisters army and don't just want a bunch of clones of the two models available now. Redemptionists would be perfect stand ins.

Just get a box of Flagellants or Cawdor. The Redemptionists probably aren't coming now that they're IRL marching in the US and the concept isn't very fun anymore.

(Judging by reworking the imagery on the Cawdor headsman, GW will be playing it safer going forward.)

JackMann
Aug 11, 2010

Secure. Contain. Protect.
Fallen Rib
Correction to my earlier post: Warbikers did not get a point reduction, Nobs on Warbikes did.

Also, Warboss on Warbike is in Forge World. Looks like he's gone up by about nine points, but at least he's not in Legends, it doesn't look like.

Anime_Otaku posted:

Can anyone tell me what my list will cost post CA?

Boyz 70 points
+ Boss Nob 14 points
+ Power Klaw 13 points
Nobs 140 points
+ Big Choppa x2 10 points
+ Power Klaw x2 26 points
+ Kill Saw 15 points
+ Kombi Weapon with Skorcha 17 Points
+ Ammo Runt x2 8 points
Painboy 52 points
Deff Dread 55 points
+ 2 Dread Klaws 30 points
+ Big Shoota 5 points
+ Skorcha 17 points
Stormboyz 90 points
Boss Zagstruk 88 points
Gretchin 30 points
Runtherd 35 points
Warboss 65 points
+ Power Klaw 13 points
+ Kombi Weapon with Rokkit Launcha 12 points
Total 805

To build
Da Red Gobbo 30 points
Weirdboy 62 points
Warbikers 138 points
Shokkjump Dragsta 108 points
Kustom Boosta-Blasta 100 points

Total 438

Grand Total 1243

Only change I see in your already-built stuff is that the Dredd goes down ten points. In your to-build stuff, the Shokkjump goes down 18 points, and the Kustom Boosta-Blasta goes down by twenty.

JackMann fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Dec 1, 2019

TurdBurgles
Sep 17, 2007

I AM WHITE AND PLAY NA FLUTE ON TRIBAL LANDS WITH NO GUILT.
Is dicehead legitimate? Just thought I'd check before pulling the trigger.

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!

JackMann posted:

Correction to my earlier post: Warbikers did not get a point reduction, Nobs on Warbikes did.

Also, Warboss on Warbike is in Forge World. Looks like he's gone up by about nine points, but at least he's not in Legends, it doesn't look like.


Only change I see in your already-built stuff is that the Dredd goes down ten points. In your to-build stuff, the Shokkjump goes down 9 points, and the Kustom Boosta-Blasta goes down by twenty.

I plugged the point changes into some calculators and there aren't really that many decisions that change.

Smasha guns are still the best.
Burnas got better but are still worse than boyz in both PPW efficiency and resilience.
Nob Bikerz maybe get run as MSU with all special Nob weapons but still probably not.
Flash Gitz got way better PPW, but they are Heavy 3 with 24" range so orks are likely to still use lootas or Mek Guns.
Biggest winners are probably the DeffDreads with 2x claw and 2x saw.

E for clarity: Most relevant change is that the regular mek with KFF is 22 points cheaper than the mega armor version and appears to be an official entry now.

JIZZ DENOUEMENT fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Dec 1, 2019

Contingency
Jun 2, 2007

MURDERER

TurdBurgles posted:

Is dicehead legitimate? Just thought I'd check before pulling the trigger.

I like them, and they get most of my business. The GW discount is 20% if you have a Spikey Bits sub. I think they're great, but if you're trying to get something that sells out within a day (Centurions, Eliminators, etc.) you should order from GW directly as they may not be able to place their order in time.

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

Kinetica posted:

Wait what did they do to thousand sons :ohdear:

Here's our broad overview:
https://www.goonhammer.com/chapter-approved-2019-balance-changes-the-goonhammer-review/

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

moths posted:

Just get a box of Flagellants or Cawdor. The Redemptionists probably aren't coming now that they're IRL marching in the US and the concept isn't very fun anymore.

(Judging by reworking the imagery on the Cawdor headsman, GW will be playing it safer going forward.)

I've honestly just liked redemptionists as an idea of an Emperor obsessed cult that really likes fire. I was hoping they'd get plastic models minus the pointy hats.

I wish that the old warrior priests were still in production. They'd work well with just a weapon swap.

MinistryofLard
Mar 22, 2013


Goblin babies did nothing wrong.


Why nerf thousand sons DPs?

Currently the only real use thousand sons have in competitive is 2 dps and Ahriman in an Supreme command detachment but that's less viable now.

I'm a bit salty my favourite bs 750 pt build, 3 DPs and 30 tzaangors, won't work in 2020.

What would a decent Pure 1000pt 1K sons list look like now? 2dps, Ahriman, a pair of rifle dreads and as many cultists as you can fit into the remainder?

Tzaangors taking a punch in the gut isn't great either. Not sure how cheaper rubrics will fare in the meta.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
I thought about doing up another bunch of spreadsheets for the CA19 changes to use as a public resource again, but then I realised I'd have to check each Codex, then CA 17 and 18, and then the Vigilus books, and then the other campaign and boxed set books, and then the FAQs and finally the three PA books to try and find the most recent point costs for each unit and :shepicide:

Giant Isopod
Jan 30, 2010

Bathynomus giganteus
Yams Fan


hahaha holy poo poo my repressors get to fight on, at least for a little while longer

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

MinistryofLard posted:

Why nerf thousand sons DPs?

Currently the only real use thousand sons have in competitive is 2 dps and Ahriman in an Supreme command detachment but that's less viable now.

And thats the rub. It seems GW bases at least some point increases on whats seeing a lot of tourney over-use and every chaos list worth its salt had this detachment. Its just a bit silly since it punishes pure TS lists which need the help.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011
There are structural issues that impose limitations on how much point adjustments can affect balance. Thunder-hammer are more effective of Smashcaptains, but cost the same as for other models, etc.

What's harder to understand is the models that GW has just declined to address. The Space Marine Vindicator is probably the most straightforward example. It's been terrible since 8th launched. The Stompa just got a price cut, but it still seems to be a long way from where it should be.

Chiwie
Oct 21, 2010

DROP YOUR COAT AND GRAB YOUR TOES, I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE WILD GOOSE GOES!!!!
Chapter Approved 2019 Balance Changes – The Goonhammer Review
 

 
The crew has their grubby hands on the CA changes. Join us as we go fraction by fraction and breakdown the winners and losers in each. 
 

Blood of Baal – The Goonhammer Review – Part 1 – Blood Angels
 
The red half of the Angels Of Death received their PA book. Do they stack up against their more vanilla beatheran? Click and find out!
 

Psychic Awakening II: Faith and Fury Review, Part 4: The Lore
 
Raf drops the latest hot gossip from the 42nd M. 
 

 

Phoenix Rising FAQ – The Goonhammer Hot Take
 
The PA book one FAQ is up, there are some key changes here so we sent noted Eldar player Wings in to get you the details. 
 

Start Competing: The Charge and Fight Phases
 
Corrode has out done himself on this one. This is an article for the ages, with excellent pictures by Chur explaining how it all works. This is the Coda Cool and Good post of the week by a mile (which is saying something given the awesome content dropping at the moment!) 
 
To sell how good this is, check out an example bit of art from it.
 
[img=https://i.imgur.com/7X5RKFx.png]
 

Don’t Start Competing: How to Stay Bad Without Getting Mad
 
Greg is among the wisest of the goons that also hammer. Boil up a brew, get cosy and take in his hard won wisdom on how to win while losing. 
 
Hammer of Math: Riptide Arithmetic

 






 
Beer continues his Tau deep dive, this time looking at when a Riptide is protected by Drones, who should you shoot? The article also examines when it’s in the best interest of the T’au player to allocate a wound to a Riptide or apply Saviour Protocols.
 
Horus Heresy Hot Take: The Legion Sabre Strike Tank
 
Forgeworld announced a new tonk this weekend. Lordtwisted takes a look at its place in the wider 30k rules.
 

Necromunday: Initial Impressions of the Corpse Grinder Cults
 
Merton and 40k Badcast's Dan Boyd grind their gears on the Corpse Grinder cults. A must read for necro players.
 

Kill Team Specialists, Part 3: Comms, Leader, Veteran, and Scout
 
Chu and TheChirurgeon continue our series on KT specialists. 
 

The Narrative Forge: Making Your Own Missions
 

 
Greg and TheChirurgeon talk about making your own missions and debut our awesome new "PRESS BUTTON, RECEIVE MISSION" generator! 



 
How to Base Everything: Urban Bases
 

 
Get your city fight and urban assault armies looking on point. 
 

How to Base Everything: Pools of Slime
 
Richp knows his slime. Nid and Nurgle players get your eyeballs on this article, it's as good un. 
 

Gunum Presents: In the shadow of greatness, an interview with Ryan Olson- The Renegade Open Champion.
 
Our man in the field, Gunum interviews The Renegade Open champ. 
 

Tournament Analysis – Alliance Open & Element Grand Slam
 
Wings performs an meta autopsy on the Alliance Open and Element Grand Slam. 
 

Naramyth and Gunum: End of the Road to Renegade – Tournament Report, Part 1
 


The boys show and tell about their experiences at Renegade. 
 

Book Review: Rites of Passage by Mike Brooks – Goonhammer
 
Raf reviews goonhammer favourite Rites of Passage. Worth a pick up in this post writers opinion. 
 

The Goonhammer 2019 Holiday Gift Guide
 

 
Know a hobbiest and can't figure out a gift? Look at our grab bag of ideas.
 

Content We Liked: 11/24/2019
 
The cool stuff we liked on the internet this week.
 

24 Hours Of Painting, Starring Coda and Friends
 
This has been and gone, needless to say we fell a little short by only doing 16 (or 18? we actually dont know!) hours. Still, Mckee and I are keen for a second attack with our lessons learned from this one!
 
Also that stream is why this post is well late! I have a literal Ham-Hangover, a ham-over if you will...

Chiwie fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Dec 1, 2019

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
broke: hanging out for redemptionists in necro
woke: hanging out for mutants in necro
bespoke: hanging out for ratskins in necro

JackMann
Aug 11, 2010

Secure. Contain. Protect.
Fallen Rib
So, some thoughts on the Ork Warboss on Warbike. It's being listed in the Forge World section of Chapter Approved. This makes a certain amount of sense, given that the Zhadsnark model has been sold as a generic "Warboss on Warbike" for a while. Interestingly, Zhad is still listed as another option. It would be nice to think that they plan to make a new model for one of them, but I think they didn't want to get rid of a character who technically has a model available, even if that model is being shared with another datasheet.

The new price is 95 points. This is nine points higher than their Index price. On the other hand, a lot of wargear saw price drops from the Index into the Codex. The Big Choppa that he has by default is down to five points instead of nine. This puts Zhad at only five points more expensive with his default gear. If you look at the power klaw, on the other hand, it went from 25 to 13. This makes a Bikeboss with a PK three points cheaper than it would have been in the Index. Given this, I think it's most likely to be the same statline, though we won't know until they clarify somewhere or issue an update to Imperial Armor: Xenos.

Mouse Business
Jun 12, 2019

Clawtopsy posted:

broke: hanging out for redemptionists in necro
woke: hanging out for mutants in necro
bespoke: hanging out for ratskins in necro

I don't think we'll be seeing ratskins this time round. I feel like they're skirting a line of insensitivity that may have flown back in the nineties but won't today. I loved the ratskins, so I hope they find a way to revive them that's less, you know, 'injuns.'

Boing
Jul 12, 2005

trapped in custom title factory, send help

Harvey Mantaco posted:

Admech is the low key winner I think, so many options of play now.

The AdMech buffs are weird, in that they buffed things that were already good for the army. Yes Ruststalkers went down, but so did Infiltrators and Fulgurites, which are their main competitors for the slot. Fisty Kastelans went down, but not by enough to make them worth taking, but Neutron and Icarus Dunecrawlers also went down, and people were already bringing those. Maybe you'll see more Dunecrawlers than Disintegrators but I don't think the changes do much to change AdMech's options of play, they're just a straight buff that lets you take more stuff. I don't think our lists will change, except by being a bit happier to bring a squad of Infiltrators or something, we'll just be able to field more units of what is already good.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Clawtopsy posted:

broke: hanging out for redemptionists in necro
woke: hanging out for mutants in necro
bespoke: hanging out for ratskins in necro

In still refusing to play until the Spyrer are brought back

goose willis
Jun 14, 2015

Get ready for teh wacky laughz0r!
Reading through that charge/fight phase article: you can charge through a wall? What the gently caress, really? Don't you have to measure vertical distance? The image in the article makes it look like you don't.

quote:

Ruins are a great piece of terrain for melee armies to utilise. The obvious usage of them is to prevent line of sight so that your opponent can’t use Overwatch against your infantry – just bust through the wall Kool-Aid Man style. It’s even narratively appropriate when you do it with siege drill Centurions!

I seriously never knew that :stare:

The Dregs
Dec 29, 2005

MY TREEEEEEEE!

Chiwie posted:


 
Also that stream is why this post is well late! I have a literal Ham-Hangover, a ham-over if you will...

Is Goonhammer down? I can't get any of those links to load.

goose willis
Jun 14, 2015

Get ready for teh wacky laughz0r!
Yeah it's not working for me either as of about fifteen minutes ago

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Loaded up for me.

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender
site's back up.

Sykic
Feb 9, 2004

Resist! Humanity demands it! Resist!
I seem to have officially hit the point where I can't fit more paints on my desk, anyone got good options for paint racks? Preferably something more vertical so it doesn't eat up what limited desk space I have.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Sykic posted:

I seem to have officially hit the point where I can't fit more paints on my desk, anyone got good options for paint racks? Preferably something more vertical so it doesn't eat up what limited desk space I have.

https://www.hobbyzone.pl/en/wsm/
Hobby Zone has their modular system. Otherwise you can just get a pair of nail polish racks. Something like this apparently works great with Citadel paints from what I've read.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

Sykic posted:

I seem to have officially hit the point where I can't fit more paints on my desk, anyone got good options for paint racks? Preferably something more vertical so it doesn't eat up what limited desk space I have.

Acrylic nail polish racks.


These are the ones I use, but if you look around a bit you can find entirely vertical ones too.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Since each book is supposed to come with new models, do we know what the Tyranid model is supposed to be, or did only BA get one?

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LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

TKIY posted:

Since each book is supposed to come with new models, do we know what the Tyranid model is supposed to be, or did only BA get one?

I think each book only comes with one new model - that is, one of the two factions gets a new model. I wanted a new bug as well. :(

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