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Joementum posted:Mother Jones has helpfully compiled all the Hillary conspiracies. I don't know whats more annoying about this... The fact that the right wing makes up all this insanity or that that insanity distracts from the real questions about the horrible people the Clintons have associated themselves with...
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Alter Ego posted:How on earth did you manage to put union-busting and food stamp programs on the same level of morality? Seriously, I wanna know what mental gymnastics it required in order for your brain to go "giving food stamps to people who don't make enough money to afford basic necessities = just as bad as strike breakers". If someone can endure the torsion required to simultaneously consider SNAP recipients and strike-busting (with the help of the NG) corporations as undeserving beneficiaries of government action, I guess there's a hosed up sort of logic to it. However, normal people look at the circumstances around both recipients of government help and make the determination that the union-killing boss is not facing starvation and starvation of their family if they don't have the governor send the state national guard against his striking workers and thus determine the comparison is not truthful.
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Jun 9, 2014 22:13
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Cliff Racer posted:And what is wrong with any of that? People were going below the food stamp limit because they were choosing not to work, why should the government subsidize that? His state was losing jobs that it was going to have gained, why would he not fight against that? I honestly don't see anything wrong with the last one either, I'd have to read more but if it really was pushed through on its own I don't think it would qualify as an earmark, it certainly wasn't wasteful either. American workers who are protected by labor laws are currently all members of the species Homo sapiens. The Homo sapiens is a heterotroph, that is, its metabolic processes are fueled by the consumption of organic matter. Failure in Homo sapiens to consume adequate amount of nutritive matter will result in undernourishment, and eventually the death of the organism. For this reason, and because people generally dislike allowing the preventable deaths and suffering of Homo sapienses (for reasons too complex to go into here), we provide means for them to have access to food independent of the social relations of an individual organism to its larger society.
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Jun 9, 2014 22:49
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No you guys, see the striking worker chooses not to work by going on a strike, whereas the company boss is forced to move operations south or to Mexico or China so the shareholders see a 5% higher quarterly return. Totally different things.
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Jun 9, 2014 23:00
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Ofaloaf posted:Holy poo poo, this is a great way to introduce politicians to people. I'd never read up on Tim Scott before, but, welp I'm glad you like it. Feel free to spread the word. As I had hoped, some interesting trends are emerging. For instance, if you check the stats page, you can see that Republicans fare much better between the hours of 6:00pm and 6:00am. That trend has been holding steady since the first votes came in. I don't know what it means, but as the database grows, I will try to find correlations with other factors. A couple of trends emerging from my photo-tagging work: When I filter for photos that have made at least 500 appearances, the top performer is "Pink," winning 67% of the time a picture with that tag is shown. The third best performer are the photos showing a flag other than the United States flag, winning 60% of the time, surprisingly beating out photos depicting the American flag, which win just under 51% of the time. Obviously, a ton of correlating and cross-checking needs to be done to control for various factors, but I'm getting a kick out of looking for patterns in the data. Once I get geolocation working properly, I'll start hammering out more complex stats analyses. Centripetal Horse fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 00:00
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Ofaloaf posted:Holy poo poo, this is a great way to introduce politicians to people. I'd never read up on Tim Scott before, but, welp Wow, so the problem with America is that it's full of Scotts. Are there any politicians with either a given or sir name of Scot(t) who aren't despicable?
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Jun 10, 2014 00:51
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Gyges posted:Wow, so the problem with America is that it's full of Scotts. Are there any politicians with either a given or sir name of Scot(t) who aren't despicable? Bobby Scott (D-VA)
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Jun 10, 2014 00:55
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Gyges posted:Wow, so the problem with America is that it's full of Scotts. Are there any politicians with either a given or sir name of Scot(t) who aren't despicable? Michael Scott (D - PA)
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Jun 10, 2014 05:10
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eSports Chaebol posted:American workers who are protected by labor laws are currently all members of the species Homo sapiens. The Homo sapiens is a heterotroph, that is, its metabolic processes are fueled by the consumption of organic matter. Failure in Homo sapiens to consume adequate amount of nutritive matter will result in undernourishment, and eventually the death of the organism. For this reason, and because people generally dislike allowing the preventable deaths and suffering of Homo sapienses (for reasons too complex to go into here), we provide means for them to have access to food independent of the social relations of an individual organism to its larger society. It sounds to me like these heterotrophs aren't very competitive in today's global economy. Are there some workers that we can grant visas to that don't have this weakness? Androids perhaps, or rabbinical golems?
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Jun 10, 2014 05:35
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Dystram posted:Because freedom (markets). This but unironically. quote:
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Jun 10, 2014 13:24
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Gyges posted:Wow, so the problem with America is that it's full of Scotts. Are there any politicians with either a given or sir name of Scot(t) who aren't despicable? Perhaps the time has come to...reinstitute an old custom. Grant our nobles prima nocte.
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Jun 10, 2014 13:40
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Pretty tone deaf of Hillary to claim poverty after they left the White House. So poor that they bought a 2 million dollar house.
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Jun 10, 2014 14:34
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mcmagic posted:Pretty tone deaf of Hillary to claim poverty after they left the White House. So poor that they bought a 2 million dollar house. Seriously. Even without that I don't think anyone that is actually "dead broke" is going to feel much camaraderie with her since she's visibly incredibly wealthy. She's the lovely neo-liberal candidate, but it looks like she's the only alternative to another nightmare Republican horror show for eight years so she should just run on that and not try to insult people that are struggling to get by in the economy her husband helped create.
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Jun 10, 2014 14:40
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Radish posted:Seriously. Even without that I don't think anyone that is actually "dead broke" is going to feel much camaraderie with her since she's visibly incredibly wealthy. She's the lovely neo-liberal candidate, but it looks like she's the only alternative to another nightmare Republican horror show for eight years so she should just run on that and not try to insult people that are struggling to get by in the economy her husband helped create. I can believe that they had enormous legal bills when they left office, but for them to claim "dead broke" is going to ring hollow to a lot of people who are actually dead broke. What she should have said was something like "Bill and I had a lot of money due in legal bills when we left the White House, but we were lucky--we had a lot of moneymaking opportunities that most people don't get."
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Jun 10, 2014 14:45
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Their net worth may easily have been negligible or negative at the time. But yeah, it is tone deaf since at no point were they at any risk of having to sacrifice their quality of life to make ends meet, which is how people usually perceive "broke".
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Jun 10, 2014 17:35
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Alter Ego posted:I can believe that they had enormous legal bills when they left office, but for them to claim "dead broke" is going to ring hollow to a lot of people who are actually dead broke. Yeah I think that would have been totally fine.
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Jun 10, 2014 17:58
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SedanChair posted:"Itchy to file grievances after 50 years of remarkable progress" sounds like something southern anti-integration bigots would have said in 1958. This got lost in Cliff Racer chat, but holy poo poo what a disgusting line. Ta-Nehisi Coates talked about "going to college and delay having kids and you'll be okay" on Chris Hayes. He said yeah, you'll probably be okay, but you're not going to be as good as white folks.
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Jun 10, 2014 19:09
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Alter Ego posted:I can believe that they had enormous legal bills when they left office, but for them to claim "dead broke" is going to ring hollow to a lot of people who are actually dead broke. In other words: if you've got a well-paid speaking gig... you didn't build that.
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Jun 10, 2014 19:25
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Joementum posted:Mother Jones has helpfully compiled all the Hillary conspiracies. I prefer my uncle's home-brewed story about my cousins throwing rocks at a squirrel in front of the White House and a "Hillary Clinton Staffer" coming outside to scold them and then asking the police to escort them away when they said they were throwing rocks "because they didn't have shotguns."
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Jun 10, 2014 19:42
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jackofarcades posted:This got lost in Cliff Racer chat, but holy poo poo what a disgusting line. Yeah, it's pretty much just "Get on the Hillary train or get run over by it, you dirty leftists! Why are you not happy?! At least you're not 3/5ths of a person anymore! Is that not enough?!"
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Jun 10, 2014 19:56
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It doesn't surprise me that the Clintons are the sort of people who would buy a multimillion dollar house while their finances were not in order. Gotta keep up appearances.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:40
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SedanChair posted:It doesn't surprise me that the Clintons are the sort of people who would buy a multimillion dollar house while their finances were not in order. Gotta keep up appearances. It doesn't surprise you that politics is all about appearances? Good, it shouldn't. Too bad they didn't mount guns on their mansion, then they could have placated Republicans.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:45
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You can keep up appearances without outstripping your income. In fact if you want to be accountable to yourself and not to others, it's a really good idea.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:51
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Of course they didn't outstrip their income. They both have tremendous earning power and were very aware of that fact. It was dumb for her even to bring up their finances.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:53
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She was asked the question she didn't bring it up, and she's quite right that speaking fees and selling books are just about the least objectionable way for a retired politician to cash in on their time in office.
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Jun 10, 2014 22:06
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Jeb Bush was also sore that he hadn't gotten onto the corporate teat for all the time that he was governor of Florida, and rectified that by getting on the board of everything he possibly could.
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Jun 10, 2014 22:28
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It's official: Ted Cruz is no longer a Canadian 
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Jun 10, 2014 23:25
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Joementum posted:It's official: Ted Cruz is no longer a Canadian And nothing of value was lost.
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Jun 10, 2014 23:28
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Joementum posted:It's official: Ted Cruz is no longer a Canadian Does Canada have FOIA laws? Are we ever going to see the documentation Cruz filed that should include his reasoning for renouncing?
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Jun 10, 2014 23:29
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As someone who is happy to jump all over GOP pols for making remarks that show he is out of touch with ordinary non millionaire people (like Mitt's "I love NASCAR, I'm friends with lots of team owners" and McCain forgetting how many houses he owned), I will definitely say that the "dead broke" remark was terrible and incredibly tone deaf. Even if it were in some way technically true at that time (assets vs. debt etc.), no one wants to hear the person from the family worth upwards of a hundred million bucks about being "dead broke", it's careless and sloppy and she needs to tighten that poo poo up if she want the job. She's also not running for the nomination in the party that gives you a pass for being an out of touch rich shithead. It's early enough that I doubt it will have significant lasting impact, but the public reaction should be a warning to her.
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Jun 10, 2014 23:42
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Joementum posted:It's official: Ted Cruz is no longer a Canadian If he has to be my Senator, then at least he can do his best to guarantee Hillary wins and sweeps both the House and the Senate. 
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Jun 10, 2014 23:58
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When was the last time the GOP had any Senators that were in their first term making a run for the nomination?
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Zwabu posted:As someone who is happy to jump all over GOP pols for making remarks that show he is out of touch with ordinary non millionaire people (like Mitt's "I love NASCAR, I'm friends with lots of team owners" and McCain forgetting how many houses he owned), I will definitely say that the "dead broke" remark was terrible and incredibly tone deaf. None of this should be shocking as these routine gently caress ups are a good reason the nomination slipped out of her grasp in 2008. Fortunately for her she isnt running against Obama this time but if you felt underwhelmed supporting Obama in 2012 get ready for more and get ready for worse.
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Jun 11, 2014 00:26
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Jun 11, 2014 00:27
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Zwabu posted:When was the last time the GOP had any Senators that were in their first term making a run for the nomination? Larry Pressler in 1980, the one politician who refused a bribe in the Abscam sting and reported the bribe to the authorities.
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fade5 posted:Oh 2016 is gonna be fun. Cruz probably won't get the nomination, but he will attack everyone and basically burn down everything by dragging every other candidate as far right as possible. If you thought Romney's pivot was fake-looking (like everything else about him), you haven't seen how hard it will be for the eventual nominee to try to pivot after Cruz has gone after them. I dunno, depending on 2016's grifter mix I could see Cruz flaming out way before Iowa. There won't be much room for him to get a word in, and the people not tied to an elected office are way better at that game than he is.
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Zwabu posted:When was the last time the GOP had any Senators that were in their first term making a run for the nomination? Paul Laxalt (NV, 1988) and Larry Pressler (SD, 1980) campaigned but gave up before Iowa. Howard Baker (TN, 1968) was the last one to actually still be campaigning during a primary election, but that was also before the 1972 primary campaign reform. Not that Democrats should laugh at first term Senators running for President...
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Does Canada have FOIA laws? Are we ever going to see the documentation Cruz filed that should include his reasoning for renouncing? You probably wouldn't be able to see it until after he's dead, that's pretty much standard procedure for most common law countries. Or Canada might do something similar to the US Census 72 year rule (which is that the personally identifiable information for each census may not be released to the general public until 72 years later, with the assumption that most of the people involved would now be dead), which would mean waiting a relatively long time for privacy purposes until it would become available.
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Jun 11, 2014 00:56
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Joementum posted:Not that Democrats should laugh at first term Senators running for President... Oh no one is laughing, it's just not very "GOP" to make a contender out of the hot new (punchable) face.
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Joementum posted:Paul Laxalt (NV, 1988) and Larry Pressler (SD, 1980) campaigned but gave up before Iowa. Laxalt served two terms as a Senator, retiring in 1986.
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