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Shath Hole posted:Does doing this (trading players as opposed to picks) make any difference on the value chart aspect of draft day trades? Raiders. We used it to draft a luxury player who didn't see the field much last year lol
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We still drafted the same dude we would have at #3 and that second round pick still has plenty of potential.
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Shath Hole posted:I wonder if Atlanta trades up, they are in a great spot to trade up to 1 or 2 without it costing a fuckton. What would it cost to move up to 1 or 2
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Dattserberg posted:You guys should just trade down to 10 if Watkins falls to 6. It would be really cool of you. Thomas Dmitrioff wants to know what this "trade down" you speak of means...
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Doltos posted:It's an ultra tough decision. Might be the hardest choice for a team in the history of having a #1. I wouldn't exactly say Houston is set at many positions and had a down year due to the play of the QB. Everyone on defense aside from Watt forgot how to play football, the play calling was boring and predictable and yes Schaub stunk up the joint as well. They have holes at LB, C, DE, DT and the interior o-line. Despite the emergence of Hopkins, they could use a WR. If Andre or Foster go down, they automatically turn into a no name offense. In this particular case, I agree with John McClain. A QB would do more for the Texans franchise than Clowney and Fitz/Keenum/Yates would.
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Eh if you take Clowney and still suck then you still got a generational player and a top 10 pick in 2015 with a shot at Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Brett Hundley, etc. I generally don't like punting the QB decision to next year but not when it's a matter of BPA. Not like there won't be QBs available this year to trade up from 33 either. There's gonna be a lot of trades this year, why couldn't Houston trade up from 33 into the first round to take a QB? Then you've got a generational player and a good QB prospect from a deep class. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Just in case Tom Savage goes in the first round I want to say something about him so I sound smarter if he does: Tom Savage was pretty good in Rutgers and Schiano ran him out of town after an injury. Ok carry on.
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That's a fun guess although I think it will be 2nd round for ol' Timmy Tom. I'm pretty sure most draft gurus expect him in the 5th round.
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Oakland would say that no matter what is true though. The point is it was a hell of a lot less than what the chart said so to pretend it's the absolute rule is silly. Edit: I still think Jordan will prove to be a stud. In limited action he looked fantastic, and he's currently stuck behind a good de and a great de Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Quest For Glory II posted:That's a fun guess although I think it will be 2nd round for ol' Timmy Tom. I'm pretty sure most draft gurus expect him in the 5th round. I expect him in the 5th but Todd McShay was raving about him for some unknown reason and it looks like it was getting picked up by some draft pundit websites. Stranger things have happened and I want to be on the ground floor of this one.
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Why SMU Quarterback Garrett Gilbert's NFL Draft Stock Is Projected To Rise Written by: Garrett Gilbert's agent 600 words of filler under a misleading title that say Garret Gilbert's pro day is today
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It's because Savage has NFL measureables and a strong arm, but so did Ryan Lindley, and both prospects have poo poo accuracy But this seems to be a year where teams are talking themselves into these QB prospects so I wouldn't be surprised by anything also as far as QB Name Rating goes, he's got a pretty good one
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Toymachine posted:I wouldn't exactly say Houston is set at many positions and had a down year due to the play of the QB. Everyone on defense aside from Watt forgot how to play football, the play calling was boring and predictable and yes Schaub stunk up the joint as well. Do you even know what you're talking about? Your points are "They have no pass rush and need to rebuild the interior o-line" (the second of which is untrue, but I digress), so they should pass on Clowney and invest a high pick in a QB? What the gently caress? 
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Oakland would say that no matter what is true though. The top players from that draft are mostly terrible though
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Blitz7x posted:The top players from that draft are mostly terrible though You're solidifying my whole point so thanks I guess
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Toymachine posted:I wouldn't exactly say Houston is set at many positions and had a down year due to the play of the QB. Everyone on defense aside from Watt forgot how to play football, the play calling was boring and predictable and yes Schaub stunk up the joint as well. They do not have a hole at C, they need a new LG and a new RT true, but they have some potential guys already on the roster who were on IR last year in Quessenberry and The Great Black Otaku They even already have their C of the future once Myers is done in Ben Jones
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AAA DOLFAN posted:You're solidifying my whole point so thanks I guess We don't always have to fight Crazy 
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Blitz7x posted:We don't always have to fight Crazy Listen I'm kinda friends with doltos now so my entire existence is in question Next thing you know I'll agree with a McMagic post and poof apocalypse
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That is still really weird. I don't even hate jeffersonlives anymore and I think he actually says some intelligent stuff. My whole universe is shattered.
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Slow down you guys I can't update my TFF Enemies spreadsheet with you all changing your minds so often I have "AAADOLFAN vs McMagic" right under "Rap vs Himself" and "Gendo vs Minnesota"
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Tom savage sounds like a saftey to me but I'm a rookie so what do I know except gently caress Bortles hype.
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Blitz7x posted:Slow down you guys I can't update my TFF Enemies spreadsheet with you all changing your minds so often put me down as neutral Wanna be the Finland of TFF
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Who thinks Ryan Fitzpatrick or Case Keenum is worth starting another year? Then Houston has to take a QB. Now the fight for #2 is going to be real interesting.
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If you think you're going to immediately be in the playoffs next year, they're not worth starting. If you think that rome wasn't built in a day, they can start. Houston can pick a QB AFTER their first pick, that is allowed in the rules They can fuckin.. jump from 33 to 15-20, one of the top 3 QBs will fall to there and if not, ride the Carr baby
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Parmesan Basil posted:Who thinks Ryan Fitzpatrick or Case Keenum is worth starting another year? Then Houston has to take a QB. Now the fight for #2 is going to be real interesting. What's wrong with Keenum? He looked decent enough to warrant a chance to start again. Mettenberger in the 2nd gives them more of a long term project and eventual starter, but gives your QB time to learn without throwing them in day 1 just because they're the #1 pick.
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Ehud posted:put me down as neutral Switzerland? The Finns killed a lot of Russians.
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excidium posted:What's wrong with Keenum? He looked decent enough to warrant a chance to start again. Mettenberger in the 2nd gives them more of a long term project and eventual starter, but gives your QB time to learn without throwing them in day 1 just because they're the #1 pick. Keenum was like Rex Grossman, in that he could bomb the gently caress out of the ball deep but anything shorter than 20 yards past the LOS was a crapshoot. I loved watching him play but he has a lot of learning to do about playing QB in the NFL, and I think throwing him out there as the starter for 2014 would invite another top 5 draft pick. Really though, outside of QB, most of Houston's problems were on defense and the lack of an entire LB corps once Cushing went down again.
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excidium posted:What's wrong with Keenum? He looked decent enough to warrant a chance to start again. Mettenberger in the 2nd gives them more of a long term project and eventual starter, but gives your QB time to learn without throwing them in day 1 just because they're the #1 pick. If your'e taking Mettenberger you're not taking him at #33 overall
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excidium posted:What's wrong with Keenum? He looked decent enough to warrant a chance to start again. Mettenberger in the 2nd gives them more of a long term project and eventual starter, but gives your QB time to learn without throwing them in day 1 just because they're the #1 pick. Outside of flyers, I don't like any other mid round QB. McCarron is a huge bust waiting. Mettenburger is just a big arm. Murray is hurt. Garoppolo is an unknown. I just think the top three are the only real chances. Keenum is fine but he has a long way to go before he's a true starter. It just makes too much sense.
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Shath Hole posted:When is the last time someone traded out of the #1 overall spot, though? Isn't it very difficult? Legit trading the pick? The Vick-Tomlinson draft.
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Romeo runs Clowney through position drills (short) http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Crennel_works_out_Jadeveon_Clowney/7f5b0b4f-ed5c-4db2-9f66-3e6f0db7e672
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Chichevache posted:Switzerland? The Finns killed a lot of Russians. what do I look like some kind of geologist
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