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Khorne posted:I know the GPU could be upgraded and GPUs keep advancing. The truth is the 670 still performs great because I am on 1920x1080 and don't use particularly high settings ever. I prefer a steady 100-140 fps with no dips which means even on a 970 I'd be turning things down a bit. The 670 actually runs most modern games on medium-high settings at those frame rates. And for single player stuff you can turn things up a bit more and get 60+ fps still. You aren't a luddite. It's virtually assured that any I/O interface these days outside of bog standard SATA3/USB3 delivers next to no real-world gains other than a tiny niche of users. Ever-faster I/O interfaces are solving a problem that doesn't really exist.
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Michymech posted:From the annandtech article Wait, was Devil's Canyon soldered? I thought they hadn't soldered any mainstream CPUs since Sandy Bridge. Edit: Plenty of videos out there of people delidding 4790Ks without tearing apart the die, so it's not soldered. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Aug 6, 2015 |
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HalloKitty posted:Wait, was Devil's Canyon soldered? I thought they hadn't soldered any mainstream CPUs since Sandy Bridge. Huh well how about that, i thought they were soldered, I delided my 4770k and got good temp drops, maybe i should look at making it directly contact my waterblock
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Gwaihir posted:"God damnit I don't have to spend hundreds of dollars every two years because my stuff lasts for 5 this loving sucks its a weird feeling and i dont know how to deal with it ok
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Soooo...how does one connect an NVMe SSD directly to a Haswell-E's PCIe lanes? (Without chipset acting as middleman)
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Soooo...how does one connect an NVMe SSD directly to a Haswell-E's PCIe lanes? (Without chipset acting as middleman) Isn't it just a matter of using whichever PCIe slot(s) are run to those lanes?
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Tab8715 posted:What audio enhancements are you going to see with Skylake? None explicitly, but OEM's didn't give a poo poo about onboard audio 4-5 years ago, so newer boards have better chipsets and design to minimize distortion. My ASUS P8Z68-V Gen3 has AWFUL onboard sound that gives me noise even through the SPDIF out. I had to buy an ASUS Xonar DG that works pretty well, but Windows 10 is having some challenges with it. It is also PCI and I would just like to have a newer board with better onboard audio and be done with it. Also, onboard audio works better for Hackintoshes. Right now I have a TurtleBeach MICRO II USB DAC that I use for Mac OS X and that is kind of annoying.
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mayodreams posted:None explicitly, but OEM's didn't give a poo poo about onboard audio 4-5 years ago, so newer boards have better chipsets and design to minimize distortion. No, onboard audio's been a decent thing for longer than that. At least back in 2008 it was enough of a justification to not buy a dedicated sound card.
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computer parts posted:No, onboard audio's been a decent thing for longer than that. At least back in 2008 it was enough of a justification to not buy a dedicated sound card. Decent sure, but not good. My speakers are a pair of professional studio monitors that cost more than pretty much any consumer sound card. Since they are digital in, all I really need is a good isolated sound circuit which, in my experience, has only recently been a priority for motherboard manufacturers. If you are connecting $15 computer speakers from Best Buy, sure you won't see the issue. I worked in pro audio/video for 6 years so unfortunately I know and can hear the difference.
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computer parts posted:No, onboard audio's been a decent thing for longer than that. At least back in 2008 it was enough of a justification to not buy a dedicated sound card. Depends what you're doing. I bought a cheapo Xonar sound card for my P67 motherboard because the onboard mic input was noisy as hell and I prefer small, simple 3.5mm jack mics for VOIP.
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Overall, I can't see reason to leave Sandy Bridge. Sure, there's a big IPC increase but it doesn't translate into substantial real-world results.
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computer parts posted:No, onboard audio's been a decent thing for longer than that. At least back in 2008 it was enough of a justification to not buy a dedicated sound card. The ALC892 on my P8P67PRO board was still quite bad compared to the Xonar DG card i bought for 30$. The newer ALC1150 that have EMI shielding on good boards are really good though, more than enough for most people.
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LooKMaN posted:The ALC892 on my P8P67PRO board was still quite bad compared to the Xonar DG card i bought for 30$. The newer ALC1150 that have EMI shielding on good boards are really good though, more than enough for most people. All I know is whole bunches of people were saying that it was great and they didn't need a $100 sound card anymore.
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computer parts posted:No, onboard audio's been a decent thing for longer than that. At least back in 2008 it was enough of a justification to not buy a dedicated sound card. Really you wouldn't see much issues with onboard audio until you hooked up a good pair of headphones. Like with the cheapo ones I had before my onboard audio from this old rear end z68 sounded fine. Hooked up my AD 700s and they sounded like rear end. Very muted and a headphone known for low bass turned into almost non existent bass. Got a sound card and hooked up to it and they sounded great. Haven't even tried to hook my m50s to it because I know its going to sound like rear end anyways.
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mayodreams posted:None explicitly, but OEM's didn't give a poo poo about onboard audio 4-5 years ago, so newer boards have better chipsets and design to minimize distortion. My ASUS P8Z68-V Gen3 has AWFUL onboard sound that gives me noise even through the SPDIF out. I had to buy an ASUS Xonar DG that works pretty well, but Windows 10 is having some challenges with it. It is also PCI and I would just like to have a newer board with better onboard audio and be done with it. Wait, how are you getting noise from SPDIF? Shouldn't that be all digital until it hits your reciever?
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BobHoward posted:This is not true. Intel publishes tables that show maximum frequency versus active core count. None of them can hit max boost with all cores active. One interesting thing from that table: with more than 1 core active the i7-6700K cannot turbo at all. Boy I feel dumb. I guess I've had this option enabled since day 1 on my 2500K and didn't notice. If all that I wanted was to run all 4 cores at turbo speeds when conditions allow, would I need to buy a 6600K / Z170? Or could I get away waiting for 6600 non-K and H170?
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Soooo...how does one connect an NVMe SSD directly to a Haswell-E's PCIe lanes? (Without chipset acting as middleman) You have 2 options: 1. Get a NVMe SSD with a PCIe connector 2. Get an adapter that converts a M.2 slot to SFF-8643
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Krailor posted:You have 2 options: M.2 is going to go through the chipset isn't it?
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Rastor posted:M.2 is going to go through the chipset isn't it? Depends on the motherboard.
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Lowen SoDium posted:Depends on the motherboard. That was what probably had me confused. I too would also like to join in with the rest of the thread in feeling depressed about how Skylake-S didn't have the rumored 20 lanes straight to CPU and also how it's another incremental improvement not worth the premium for a completely new socket motherboard/RAM/everything$$$$
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I've been thinking of building a tiny mini-itx system or buying a nuc/Brix. Is there anything that Skylake might offer that Haswell doesn't offer? I guess incrementally improved igp? I'm mostly interested in network media streaming, Netflix/HBO GO and Steam Streaming. I don't think igp affects any of those, but I guess there could be an odd scenario when I play something on the mini PC itself. My guess is, it's not worth the price of admission for the DDR4 RAM itself.
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VulgarandStupid posted:I've been thinking of building a tiny mini-itx system or buying a nuc/Brix. Is there anything that Skylake might offer that Haswell doesn't offer? I guess incrementally improved igp? I'm mostly interested in network media streaming, Netflix/HBO GO and Steam Streaming. I don't think igp affects any of those, but I guess there could be an odd scenario when I play something on the mini PC itself. My guess is, it's not worth the price of admission for the DDR4 RAM itself. I was waiting for a Skylake i5 NUC, and now I"m reconsidering that and thinking about getting one with an i5-5250u. It all depends on timing, especially because we don't know what sort of premium DDR4 SODIMMS will have when this stuff becomes available. DDR4 full size desktop sticks are already down to a very small price premium.
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Skylake NUCs might be one thing where you will see DDR3L happen, as currents already use them.
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Tab8715 posted:Does Skylake output 4k@60hz? If so, a Skylake NUC would make a nice HTPC. The leaked roadmap has HDMI 1.4a, not 2.0, so not over HDMI at least.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Wait, how are you getting noise from SPDIF? Shouldn't that be all digital until it hits your reciever? For analog audio, if the audio circuit is not shielded well (most weren't), not grounded properly, shared a ground with a noisy signal, etc. Also, even with digital signal, lovely asics can and will give you poor output. Look at key specs such as signal to noise ratio (SNR). Good systems will have a higher measured SNR figure. For my current board, Asus P8Z68-V Gen 3, which uses a Realtek ALC892: 95dB Asus Xonar DG (C-Media CMI8786) - $30 PCI card 105dB Asus Z170 PRO GAMING (SupremeFX) 115dB Remember that dB is a logarithmic scale, so a difference of 20dB between the two onboard audio systems is a 20 times decrease in noise from old to new.
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cisco privilege posted:If it's anything like DDR2 or DDR3, DDR4 will probably get alot faster pretty soon. I'd be wary of dropping a bunch of cash on sticks and end up like the people who bought DD2 533 or DDR3 1066 day one. 1) Hasn't DDR4 been around for a while already? Haswell-E has been using it since last year at least. 2) Will higher speed DDR4 make a real difference for gaming? I'm guessing the answer is "No." In other types of work it might make a difference so if you do more than gaming it might pay to wait.
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cisco privilege posted:If it's anything like DDR2 or DDR3, DDR4 will probably get alot faster pretty soon. I'd be wary of dropping a bunch of cash on sticks and end up like the people who bought DD2 533 or DDR3 1066 day one. I'm very wary of this, but it looks like DDR4 up to 2800 is already a very small price premium in general. Edit: I just realized I have no idea what DDR4's long term prospects look like. For all I know that DDR4 2800 is the equivalent of DDR3-1333.
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So there's still no real general release date, is there? I keep reading some elusive "available Aug 5" bullshit, but I wouldn't call it available until I can buy from Newegg. Is it still a mystery?
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Richard M Nixon posted:So there's still no real general release date, is there? I keep reading some elusive "available Aug 5" bullshit, but I wouldn't call it available until I can buy from Newegg. Is it still a mystery? All the retailers in the EU, both brick and mortar and online had them in stock on shelves. Australia even had them before the release date! It's just a supply chain issue here in the US. It's probably a good idea to wait for most motherboard reviews to hit anyway.
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I already ordered a 6600K, Asus Z170-A (with a positive review here) and 8GB of DDR4 from Germany on the release day to replace my dying SB board. I'll see in a week if I made a huge mistake.
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I'm hoping to see a nice lineup of motherboard overclocking reviews coming soon. I found a great set of them for Broadwell mobos that had a full suite of stability, max OC, and raw performance benchmarks using the same physical CPU. I know chipsets can be binned as well, but it's still neat to see the large differences between some vendors and models.
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Richard M Nixon posted:So there's still no real general release date, is there? I keep reading some elusive "available Aug 5" bullshit, but I wouldn't call it available until I can buy from Newegg. Is it still a mystery? Newegg list the 14th for the combos they have with the 6600k. Nothing listed for the 6700k yet.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:1) Hasn't DDR4 been around for a while already? Haswell-E has been using it since last year at least. 1) Yes, DDR4 launched in servers last summer with Haswell Xeon (and then Haswell-E). 2) Gaming is mostly GPU-bound these days, so this is mostly true (as much as it's true that the CPU doesn't matter that much, which is also mostly true). That said, if you're doing memory-intensive workloads (like CAD/CAE), then it will help. And I wouldn't hold your breath for a big jump in DDR4 performance. The increments are getting smaller (in terms of relative %, 2400 vs 2133 is not as much of a jump as 1333 vs 1066), and the technologies are close enough to DDR3 that there's not a lot of surprises (at least not good ones). Turns out that process scaling for DRAM is almost as much of a clusterfuck as scaling logic (CPU) processes right now.
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Pollyzoid posted:I already ordered a 6600K, Asus Z170-A (with a positive review here) and 8GB of DDR4 from Germany on the release day to replace my dying SB board. I'll see in a week if I made a huge mistake. Well, I think you should have waited for the H/B chipsets to save money on the mobo to spend it on the 6700K instead.
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